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Prehistoric mammal hair found in Cretaceous amber
bbc ^ | 14 June 2010 | Matt Walker

Posted on 06/14/2010 2:14:31 PM PDT by JoeProBono

Palaeontologists have discovered two mammal hairs encased in 100 million-year-old amber. While older 2D fossilised hairs are known, those preserved in the amber are the oldest 3D specimens known. The hairs, found alongside a fly pupa in amber uncovered in southwest France, are remarkably similar to hair found on modern mammals. That implies that the shape and structure of mammal hair has remained unchanged over a vast period of time.

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TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: allaboutme; amber; cretaceous; godsgravesglyphs; hair; mammals
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1 posted on 06/14/2010 2:14:31 PM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

WELL, NOW WHAT? Now that Helen is gone... nothing more to post...


2 posted on 06/14/2010 2:16:05 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: JoeProBono

oh look ... genetic material :)


3 posted on 06/14/2010 2:16:32 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (If I don't like you, it's most likely your culture or your ideology that pissed me off.)
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To: JoeProBono

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/algoof.wav


4 posted on 06/14/2010 2:17:00 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: April Lexington

So hair didn’t evolve? How unDarwinian.


5 posted on 06/14/2010 2:18:25 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: BenLurkin
100 million year old amber...You sure it's not 99 million years old??

Wow...all for the love of Grant Money.

6 posted on 06/14/2010 2:19:36 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Centurion2000

1. A Chimera is produced when a human embryo is fused with an animal embryo; 2. An Hybrid is produced when a human female egg is fertilised with animal sperm or vice-versa; and 3. A "Cybrid" is produced when an animal cell's genetic material is removed and replaced with human genetic material.


7 posted on 06/14/2010 2:19:54 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

Well, maybe modern animals just have old hair? Or, old animals had modern hair...


8 posted on 06/14/2010 2:20:13 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: JoeProBono
Prehistoric mammal hair found in Cretaceous amber

Helen Thomas?

9 posted on 06/14/2010 2:22:54 PM PDT by exist
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To: BenLurkin

10 posted on 06/14/2010 2:23:42 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Sacajaweau

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/Uh_Yeah.mp3


11 posted on 06/14/2010 2:23:47 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: JoeProBono
I was under the impression that mammal hairs became feathers and turned into birds?
12 posted on 06/14/2010 2:23:51 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

Ya know, if there isn’t a good reason to evolve, it won’t happen. As long as it works, it’s probably not going to change.


13 posted on 06/14/2010 2:24:31 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: exist

“Helen Thomas?”

Also extinct..


14 posted on 06/14/2010 2:25:00 PM PDT by jessduntno (Afghanistan: Lithium is the new oil. Where are the NO WAR FOR LITHIUM protests?)
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To: JoeProBono

Please tell me that isn’t real . . .


15 posted on 06/14/2010 2:25:22 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Centurion2000

Cretaceous Park?


16 posted on 06/14/2010 2:26:05 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

17 posted on 06/14/2010 2:26:34 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: guitarplayer1953

a. feathers didn’t turn into birds.
b. reptile scales evolved into feathers


18 posted on 06/14/2010 2:27:19 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: JoeProBono

The hairs, found alongside a fly pupa in amber uncovered in southwest France, are remarkably similar to hair found on modern mammals. That implies that the shape and structure of mammal hair has remained unchanged over a vast period of time.

Or maybe it just means that (macro) evolution and the billions of years are not true.


19 posted on 06/14/2010 2:28:05 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: SunkenCiv

Cretaceous amber ping


20 posted on 06/14/2010 2:28:12 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Evolution is Science Fiction.


21 posted on 06/14/2010 2:29:26 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: JoeProBono

Jurassic Park ping


22 posted on 06/14/2010 2:31:23 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2503089/posts?page=9#9)
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To: RinaseaofDs
>Please tell me that isn’t real

23 posted on 06/14/2010 2:31:27 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Slyfox

24 posted on 06/14/2010 2:33:54 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Finally it’s revealed where the fellow who is running for Governor in Texas on the Rat ticket came from. Thanks we Texans needed to know that....


25 posted on 06/14/2010 2:38:05 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: Little Pig
So a dinosaur became a parakeet?
26 posted on 06/14/2010 2:41:43 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953

27 posted on 06/14/2010 2:53:45 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono
OMG that child has a dinosaur on it's head.
28 posted on 06/14/2010 2:56:23 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: JoeProBono

29 posted on 06/14/2010 3:00:35 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: guitarplayer1953

Not immediately, but yes.


30 posted on 06/14/2010 3:16:48 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Actually, it’s a lot more accurate, and intellectually honest, to say that parakeets are the great-great-great-etcetc grandchildren of a certain branch of dinosaurs.


31 posted on 06/14/2010 3:23:20 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Little Pig
And how many transitional records have they found?
32 posted on 06/14/2010 3:30:34 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: JoeProBono

Not my hair. Most of mine is eligible to be stuck in amber,wherever it is.


33 posted on 06/14/2010 3:52:41 PM PDT by wiggen (Government owned slave.)
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To: JoeProBono

I may never eat meat again. That is sooooo disturbing.


34 posted on 06/14/2010 3:53:47 PM PDT by wiggen (Government owned slave.)
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To: wiggen

35 posted on 06/14/2010 3:58:29 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Some, though given the timescale, and the assumptions that not many birds were robust enough for remains to be preserved before decomposition and not many birds lived in the kinds of environments that favored fossilization, there aren’t as many as there are for, say, reptile to mammal. Here’s an initial list. One last aside: be careful with demanding transitionals, as it becomes all to easy to demand “the one in between those”, on and on recursively. It’s dishonest to keep raising the bar. The existence of even some transitional fossils is enough to show that such things can and do exist. The notion that there would be animals similar to both a predecessor and an antecedent, and yet related to and generationally independent of both is absurd:

# Lisboasaurus estesi and other “troodontid dinosaur-birds” — a bird-like reptile with very bird-like teeth (that is, teeth very like those of early toothed birds [modern birds have no teeth]). May not have been a direct ancestor; may have been a “cousin” of the birds instead.
# Protoavis — this is a highly controversial fossil that may or may not be an extremely early bird. Not enough of the fossil was recovered to determine if it is definitely related to the birds, or not. I mention it in case people have heard about it recently.
# Archeopteryx — reptilian vertebrae, pelvis, tail, skull, teeth, digits, claws, sternum. Avian furcula (wishbone, for attachment of flight muscles), forelimbs, and lift-producing flight feathers. Archeopteryx could probably fly from tree to tree, but couldn’t take off from the ground, since it lacked a keeled breastbone (for attachment of large flight muscles) and had a weak shoulder (relative to modern birds). Not currently considered transitional, but a good example of the changes in morphology along the way; more of a dead-end.
# “Chinese bird” [I don’t know what name was given to this fossil] — A fossil dating from 10-15 million years after Archeopteryx. Bird-like claws on the toes, flight-specialized shoulders, fair-sized sternal keel (modern birds usually have large sternal keel); also has reptilian stomach ribs, reptilian unfused hand bones, & reptilian pelvis. This bird has a fused tail (”pygostyle”), but I don’t know how long it was, or if it was all fused or just part of it was fused.
# “Las Hoyas bird” [I don’t know what name was given to this fossil] — This fossil dates from 20-30 m.y. after Archeopteryx. It still has reptilian pelvis & legs, with bird-like shoulder. Tail is medium-length with a fused tip (Archeopteryx had long, unfused tail; modern birds have short, fused tail). Fossil down feather was found with the Las Hoyas bird.
# Toothed Cretaceous birds, e.g. Hesperornis and Ichthyornis. Skeleton further modified for flight (fusion of pelvis bones, fusion of hand bones, short & fused tail). Still had true socketed teeth, which are missing in modern birds.

And that’s just pieces of the bird line. Other animals are far better represented. There are hundreds of so-called transitional fossils.


36 posted on 06/14/2010 4:11:48 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: JoeProBono

Ha. made me laugh. Thanks. (except i don’t wear bobbi pins being a guy and all)


37 posted on 06/14/2010 4:12:46 PM PDT by wiggen (Government owned slave.)
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To: JoeProBono
That implies that the shape and structure of mammal hair has remained unchanged over a vast period of time.

If it works, don't fix it.

38 posted on 06/14/2010 4:28:36 PM PDT by JimRed (To water the Tree of Liberty is to excise a cancer before it kills us. TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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39 posted on 06/14/2010 5:38:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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>>Look Back in Amber ping.

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40 posted on 06/14/2010 6:11:19 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
:')
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41 posted on 06/14/2010 6:42:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: JoeProBono

I had chicken tonight, thank god.


42 posted on 06/14/2010 6:43:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv
I had chicken tonight, thank god.

We're planning Chinese Hassenpfeffer later in the week.

Chinese Hassenpfeffer

We knew she likes the turkey's cracked corn, but we had no idea she would go after the wild Hassenpfeffer's cabbage leaves bait.

She was one P.O.ed pussy when I went in & got the camera instead of immediately releasing her.

43 posted on 06/14/2010 7:46:09 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: guitarplayer1953
And how many transitional records have they found?

According to creationists zero.

That's because according to them, every time a critter is found with features and age mid-way between known critters creationists blandly insist that the new critter doesn't fill the gap, but actually creates two new gaps on either side.

44 posted on 06/14/2010 8:45:48 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 508 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void
Have they found any reptiles with cold blood and feathers?
45 posted on 06/14/2010 8:55:52 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953

If they do will you shut up?


46 posted on 06/14/2010 9:15:18 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 508 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void
My My your a little testy tonight do you need some fiber?
47 posted on 06/14/2010 9:21:35 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Nahhh, I’ve got a couple 100 million year old mammal hairs.


48 posted on 06/14/2010 9:27:35 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 508 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

[it was a little harsh]...


49 posted on 06/14/2010 9:28:04 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 508 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: JoeProBono

That picture is totally disgusting.


50 posted on 06/14/2010 10:03:23 PM PDT by Dustbunny ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. " Ronald Reagan)
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