Posted on 08/28/2010 7:51:41 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel
I didn't see any comments about Glenn Beck's 1st words on his Friday TV show.
He talked about the "Black Robe Regiment", and said that Brits largely blamed churches/preachers for fomenting the Revolution.
Then he said as a result, when the Redcoats came here upon the war starting, they burned churches because of this. Then he said they even "locked up people inside and burned them".
Lord knows how many are watching that couldn't make it..
Right. Not only that, the left must be cringing to see Martin Luther King’s niece there, references to God, no violence... ABCCBSNBC et al will be greatly disappointed.
PC or not, Marion - the “Swamp Fox - was a fantastic military leader!
You forgot one.. the most obvious liberal/leftist source/network of anti-american bias/spin.... PBS..
The next time the “British” fight us, their names will be Abdul, Muhammed and Hussein.
Revolutionary Fighting Ground
South of Newark (N.J.), just over the line in Union County, lies a region which was fighting ground again and again during the War for Independence, when it formed a part of the town of Newark. This historic soil comprises Springfield, Connecticut Farms, and what is now called Union Centre, and every American schoolboy knows that the Battle of Springfield, fought on June 1780, was one of the most glorious achievements of the patriot arms. A memorable incident of that battle was the part played by James Caldwell, the “Fighting Parson.” The Americans ran short of wadding. Pastor Caldwell ran into the Presbyterian church, gathered the hymn books from the pews, and distributed them to the soldiers, yelling: “Put Watts into ‘em boys; give ‘em Watts!” So well did the “boys” follow their chaplain’s advice that very soon Knyphausen and his Hessians beat a hasty retreat out of New Jersey. A Hessian detachment earlier in the same year had burned and pillaged Connecticut Farms and killed many of the peaceful denizens including the pastor’s wife, Mrs. Hannah Ogden Caldwell, who was shot to death as she held her babe in her arms. The Presbyterian church, founded in 1746, burned by the British in 1780 and rebuilt in 1786, stands on the original site; the Revolutionary burying ground, with a monument to the heroes of 1780 whose bones rest there, is a shrine for American patriots, and in the schoolyard they may see the cannon which barked from Tin Kettle Hill and helped scare off the redcoats.
Source: Official Guide and Manual of the 250th Anniversary Celebration of the Founding of Newark, New Jersey.
But be cautious here: misinformation was put out by both sides during the RevWar.
The worst savageries took place on the frontier involving ad hoc Patriot and Loyalist militias infused with criminality and revenge. In the Second Amendment, the phrase "well regulated militia" reflects that experience by qualifying the endorsement of militias.
"The Patriot" did a fine job with the battle of Cowpens. I nearly gagged though on the bi-racial calypso music wedding celebration. And as much as the British may at times have burned down churches, they did not do so with people in them.
See my comment at #68.
Ridiculous! Beck researches and reads. If you watched the show you would realize that his documentation is currently the best you will ever find. In the limited time he has on the air it is hard to condense but it is amazing how well he manages it.
And I am willing to wager that, like last year's 9/12 rally in D.C., there will be minimal cleanup needed behind these crowds. If so, I somehow think that the MSM will ignore it again, "nothing good can come out of Galilee"!
About every five years, I take up reading about the Revolution and the making of the Constitution. Every time, I find new aspects that surprise me.
There were plenty of homes, barns, outbuildings and other structures burned down with people in them.
One of my distant Murphy ancestors was a young teenager when he escorted Hairbuyer Harris back for trial. You can imagine how well behaved Hairbuyer must have been with a teenager guarding him ~ because a teenager would blow his brains out for looking at him cross-eyed. They're not really adults you know.
The Brits misused the Mohawk warrior society though. For whatever reason the Mohawks avoided the ceremonial cannibalism that usually attended their wars.
The point is: did they ever burn churches with people inside? As I mentioned above, I know of no evidence for this.
And have a look at this.
For a very graphic, very violent history of Pontiac’s Rebellion, let me recommend the two volume set (1851) by Francis Parkman. They are very detailed, yet surprisingly pleasant to read, as Parkman was a gifted narrative writer:
http://www.amazon.com/Conspiracy-Pontiac-Indian-Conquest-Canada/dp/080328733X
The Conspiracy of Pontiac and the Indian War after the Conquest of Canada, Volume 1: To the Massacre at Michillimackinac
http://www.amazon.com/Conspiracy-Pontiac-Indian-Conquest-Canada/dp/0803287372
The Conspiracy of Pontiac and the Indian War after the Conquest of Canada, Volume 2: From the Spring of 1763 to the Death of Pontiac
The problem I have is with the claim that burning churches was a deliberate British policy. Similarly, although the Allies destroyed thousands of churches in WW II — and at time with people in them — that was not our policy but a result of normal military operations and practices such as aerial bombardment of cities.
Pension Application of Manual (Manuel) McConnell: S2773 ~ this guy is one my ancestors, and also ancestor to Senator McConnell. .................. We are very distant cousins ~ lots of procreating in between and lots and lots of McConnells. ............... You go to page 63 of the following document to find his pension application. He was involved in most of the bloodiest and most important fighting in the Southern Theatre ~ and he was engaged in a chase after Tarleton’s entourage and Tarleton himself......... He served initially under an officer who’d been in the war against the Cherokee and who’d tried to avoid involvement in the Revolution. He finally came out of his self-imposed military retirement to join the Rebels when the Brits burned down his plantation and everything he had. .............. You read through the section I’ve pointed to, and all the footnotes, and you get an idea of what it took to win freedom, and it wasn’t pretty, and it wasn’t easy, and it wasn’t clean ~ kind of like a years long 24/7 Bruce Willis movie where no one ever takes a bath, and all your buddies are dead ~ ........ ~ well, anyway, see: http://southerncampaign.org/newsletter/v4n123.pdf
I suppose that you mean to refer to British General "Hair Buyer" Hamilton. Bravo for the distinction of having an American ancestor who was a captor and escort of that scoundrel.
The Indians paid dearly for their support for the British. After the Revolution, Americans regarded Indians as an existential menace on the frontier, to be marginalized or eliminated when possible.
Actually, the Indians had already ceased to be a relevant force on the Eastern Seaboard as early as 1648 when about 95% of them died. The Iroquois barely maintained political existence ~ fortunately for them they had rights to TAKE Mingo children to raise up as warriors, and did so. The numbers were modest ~ in the tens of thousands.
Really angered the remaining Indians West of the Appalachians Fur Shur.
The wars against/with the Indians that follow 1648 reflect the rising strength of the Old World populations ~ the fact the Indians lost them all reflect their loss of strength. The Iriquois were no longer able to fight the Mohicans, and they'd had that war going for several hundred years. The conflict predated the Iroquois Confederation ~
i think Indians were better known for not even being around than anything else. They were viewed as easy targets after 1648.
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