Judge Weighs Request For Obama School Records (Ltc Lakin hearing today)

AP/WJZ 13 ^ | 9-2-10

[hennie pennie]

>>>> "....a mechanism to get Kagin and Sotomayor to recuse themselves?" <<<<

Hmmmm....

How about SHAME?

And if natural shame doesn't work, how about a public humiliation by several million demonstrations on the SCOTUS steps???

[rolling_stone]

She said opening up such evidence could be an “embarrassment” to the president and anyway, it should be Congress that would call for impeachment of a sitting president.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=198465

[stephenjohnbanker]

” Judge in Lakin case denies subpoena for President’s birth certificate as it may cause embarrassment to Congress w/sole authority to impeach “

It is only one mans life at stake. We wouldn’t want to embarrass any criminals in Congress.

[Red Steel]

So now we have from the judiciary that the Obama eligibility issue has been "blogged, texted, twittered and otherwise massaged" excuses to go along with that it would be an "embarrassment" for Congress.

What great legal arguments! /total sarcasm

[Non-Sequitur]

Poor Obama...

Don't feel too sorry for him. I'd bet that not a single dollar has come out of his pocket.

[Non-Sequitur]

But a Citizen can sue a president for Fraud. We saw Paula Jones sue a president for sexual harrasment.

Paula Jones sued a governor for sexual harassment. He happened to be president at the time.

Fraud is crime. Lakin will have damages.

Probably not.

[Non-Sequitur]

When this gets to SCOTUS, if they agree to hear it (if they don’t, that’s a whole ‘nother stinking pile of expletive), would there be a mechanism to get Kagin and Sotomayor to recuse themselves?

On what grounds?

[deport]

Marking

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[BuckeyeTexan]

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates signed the orders today.

So the actual orders for the Marine and Army bridgades' deployment were signed by Secretary Gates. The article you referenced doesn't say whether or not Obama signed the orders. (It says he "ordered" the deployments.) Do we know if Obama actually signed the orders? I ask because ...

On May 8, Larry Johnson of No Quarter (formerly with the CIA and U.S. State Department) reported that Pentagon officials are forcing Obama to sign off on Top Secret capture/kill operations because they don't trust him. Not being a military history buff, I wonder if that has ever happened before now.

Under George W. Bush a number of Top Secret orders were signed that gave the military permission to do a variety of things. I can’t go into the specifics because it would compromise classified info. During Barack’s first year in office most of those authorities remained in place and, as I noted in previous postings, the number of capture/kill operations actually increased under Obama.

That was then. Two things have happened over the last five months. First, many of those original authorities have been rescinded. So our military forces will not be acting against targets that they had permission to hit even one year ago. Second, and more troubling, the military commanders are forcing Obama to sign off on every operation. Why?

They don’t trust him.

I was never able to confirm this information outside of Larry Johnson's report at NQ and FR doesn't allow posts from NQ, so I never posted the article here.

Regardless, Lakin's orders were presumed lawful. They came from his superior not directly from Obama.

[BuckeyeTexan]

No one else is reporting that except WND and they don’t provide a quote or any context. When I see a transcript or a direct quote, I’ll believe it. WND has a history of reporting rumors as fact.

[Non-Sequitur]

Don’t confuse them with rationality. I, for one, am looking forward to reading the Judge’s ruling complete and in context. Should be in Scribid within a few days.

[Herbster]

Well of course the orders were “presumed” lawful, they came from the direct order from the “presumed” CIC!

If any initial order did not come from the ultimate decision maker, who happens to be qualified under the Constitution, they are all total BS!

[edge919]

Regardless, Lakin's orders were presumed lawful. They came from his superior not directly from Obama.

The only problem is that there don't need to be any presumptions of lawfulness. It CAN be proven if Obama is indeed a constitutionally legal CinC. His place in the chain of command is clearly delineated under Art. 92, so there shouldn't be any problem with a simple, but full disclosure.

[STARWISE]

Maybe THIS is why he took MONTHS to decide if he was going to support our military with an influx of more troops. And if so, another blatant example of his stubborn and arrogant vindictiveness, and the h**l with the troops and their suffering, dying and desperate needs.

I look at all his fine, kind words about our incredible troops with supreme cynicism. I don’t think they’re far away from that view, either. God bless and protect them.

*snip*

In “The Promise: President Obama, Year One,” by Newsweek senior editor Jonathan Alter, the author recounts a series of private blow-ups - including a particularly fiery one involving the nation’s top military brass.

“A presidential dressing down unlike any in the United States in more than half a century,” is how Alter describes the October 2009 eruption.

The background: Gen. Stanley McChrystal had just given a speech in London in which he publicly rejected proposals to turn the tide in Afghanistan with more drone missiles and special forces, a strategy backed mainly by Vice President Biden.

The President viewed McChrystal’s comments as a bald attempt to back him into a Pentagon-backed plan more reliant on troop buildups - and he soon ripped into top commanders for what he considered insubordination.

In an Oval Office showdown, Obama told Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Gen. David Petraeus that he was “exceedingly unhappy” with the Pentagon’s conduct, Alter reported, adding that its leaks to the press were “disrespectful of the process.”

“This was a cold and bracing meeting,” an attendee said of the encounter, where Obama demanded to know “here and now” if the Pentagon would be onboard with any presidential strategy.

It apparently worked: Petraeus later described himself as “chagrined,” and both he and Gates “swore loyalty” to the President. Obama eventually supported a troop buildup.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010/05/08/2010-05-08_new_obama_book_by_newsweek_senior_editor_jonathan_alter_airs_private_flares_of_t.html#ixzz0yPtjmxx1

[STE=Q]

Coverage of Ltc Lakin matters

http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/press-release/aug-31-three-star-general-swears-affidavit.html

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General: Obama records “critical” to “our republic”

McInerney: Eligibility issue “of such magnitude that its significance can scarcely be imagined”

By Bob Unruh
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

LINK: http://www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=197837

A retired U.S. Air Force lieutenant general ***who commanded forces armed with nuclear weapons***{emphasis mine} says the disclosure of Barack Obama’s documentation proving his eligibility to be commander in chief is critical not just to the defense of an officer challenging the president’s status, but to the preservation of the nation itself.

The vehement statements came in an affidavit from retired Lt. Gen. Thomas G. McInerney, a Fox News military analyst, that was disclosed today by an organization generating support for Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin.
Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin

Lakin had invited his own court-martial because he is unable to follow orders under the chain of command with Obama at its head unless the president’s eligibility is documented.

A hearing is scheduled in Lakin’s court-martial case Thursday at which a ruling is expected on defense requests for the very evidence that McInerney is citing.

The general, who retired in 1994 after serving as vice commander in chief of USAF forces in Europe, commander of the 3rd Tactical Fighter Wing and assistant vice chief of staff of the U.S. Air Force, among other positions, said the chain of command issue is critical, since officers are obligated both to follow orders and to disobey illegal orders.

“Officers in the United States military service are – and must be – trained that they owe their highest allegiance to the United States Constitution,” he said in the affidavit.

“There can be no question that it is absolutely essential to good order and discipline in the military that there be no break in the unified chain of command, from the lowliest E-1 up to and including the commander in chief who is under the Constitution, the president of the United States. As military officers, we owe our ultimate loyalty not to superior officers or even to the president, but rather, to the Constitution.”

He continued, explaining, “good order and disipline requires not blind obedience to all orders but instead requires officers to judge – sometimes under great adversity – whether an order is illegal.”

“The president of the United States, as the commander in chief, is the source of all military authority,” he said. “The Constitution requires the president to be a natural born citizen in order to be eligible to hold office. If he is ineligible under the Constitution to serve in that office that creates a break in the chain of command of such magnitude that its significance can scarcely be imagined.”

Lakin is being supported by the American Patriot Foundation, which said the affidavit is for use in Lakin’s trial, scheduled Oct. 13-15, as well as Thursday’s hearing on the evidence to be allowed in the case.

The group said McInerney is the highest-ranking officer yet to lend public support to Lakin.

A recent poll showed that only about 4 in 10 Americans believe Obama’s story of being born in Hawaii.

McInerney’s affidavit “acknowledges widespread concerns over the president’s constitutional eligibility and demands the president release his birth records or the court authorize discovery,” the foundation said.

Lakin’s defense counsel has asked for the president’s school records as well as a deposition from the custodian of Obama’s birth records that may exist in Hawaii.

The hearing is scheduled at 11 a.m. Thursday at Ft. Meade, Md., at the courthouse at 4432 Llewellyn Ave., inside the military base. The court is open to the public.

Lakin is a physician and in his 18th year of service in the Army. He posted a video asking for the court-martial to determine Obama’s eligibility.

He is board certified in family medicine and occupational and environmental medicine. He has been recognized for his outstanding service as a flight surgeon for year-long tours in Honduras, Bosnia and Afghanistan. He was also awarded the Bronze Star for his service in Afghanistan and recognized in 2005 as one of the Army Medical Department’s outstanding flight surgeons.

McInerney commanded forces equipped with nuclear weapons.

“In my command capacity I was responsible that the personnel with access to these weapons had an unwavering and absolute confidence in the unified chain of command, because such confidence was absolutely essential — vital — in the event the use of those weapons were authorized,” the general wrote.

“I cannot overstate how imperative it is to train such personnel to have confidence in the unified chain of command. Today, because of the widespread and legitimate concerns that the president is constitutionally ineligible to hold office, I fear what would happen should such a crisis occur today.”

He said Lakin is acting “exactly” as “proper training dictates.”

“It is my opinion that LTC Lakin’s request for discovery relating to the president’s birth records in Hawaii is absolutely essential to determining not merely his guilt or innocence but to reassuring all military personnel once and for all for this president whether his service as commander in chief is constitutionally proper.”

“He is the one single person in the chain of command that the Constitution demands proof of natural born citizenship,” he continued. “This determination is fundamental to our republic.

“According to the Constitution, the commander in chief must now, in the face of serious — and widely-held — concerns that he is ineligible, either voluntarily establish his eligibility by authorizing release of his birth records or this court must authorize their discovery. The invasion of his privacy in these records is utterly trivial compared to the issues at stake here,” McInerney wrote.

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[BuckeyeTexan]

It seems to me, according to WND's "report," that whatever comment she made about "embarrassment" was in regard to Jensen's argument that the defense had the right to anything and everything.

Jensen had argued that under U.S.C. Rule 46, a defendant being put on court martial has the right to call any and all witnesses and obtain any evidence in his or her defense.

Lind, who took 40 minutes to read her decision to the courtroom, disagreed.

She said opening up such evidence could be an “embarrassment” to the president and anyway, it should be Congress that would call for impeachment of a sitting president.

Either way, she didn't appear to say anything about embarrassing Congress, which is what the original tweet said.

[Fred Nerks]

see page six this document:

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/15/

[Dr. Eckleburg]

They have no idea of the backlash coming. November will be historic.

[Red Steel]

Regardless, Lakin's orders were presumed lawful. They came from his superior not directly from Obama.

Not by LTC Lakin. He never presumed Obama's orders to be lawful. I've shown you that the orders to Lakin from Obama where passed to him by his superiors.

Flag officers, from general after general are saying... with Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney being the latest, understand the chain-of-command. There is no denying it. We who are in the military, active or retired, understand this issue.

Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney -

"The President of the United States, as the Commander in Chief, is the source of all military authority. The Constitution requires the President to be a natural born citizen in order to be eligible to hold office. If he is ineligible under the Constitution to serve in that office that creates a break in the chain of command of such magnitude that its significance can scarcely be imagined. "

As I was saying above that LTC Lakin has not presumed that Obama is eligibility for Presidential office. LTC Lakin has tried to get his answers to his legal questions to no avail and satisfaction.

On May 8, Larry Johnson of No Quarter (formerly with the CIA and U.S. State Department) reported that Pentagon officials are forcing Obama to sign off on Top Secret capture/kill operations because they don't trust him. Not being a military history buff, I wonder if that has ever happened before now.

I wouldn't doubt it considering all that has happened. I wouldn't doubt it at all.