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Seeking Proof in Near-Death Claims (18 Hospitals to study mystery of near-death experiences)
Wall Street Journal ^ | 10/26/2010

Posted on 10/26/2010 8:40:18 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

At 18 hospitals in the U.S. and U.K., researchers have suspended pictures, face up, from the ceilings in emergency-care areas. The reason: to test whether patients brought back to life after cardiac arrest can recall seeing the images during an out-of-body experience.

People who have these near-death experiences often describe leaving their bodies and watching themselves being resuscitated from above, but verifying such accounts is difficult. The images would be visible only to people who had done that.

"We've added these images as objective markers," says Sam Parnia, a critical-care physician and lead investigator of the study, which hopes to include 1,500 resuscitated patients. Dr. Parnia declined to say whether any have accurately described the images so far, but says he hopes to report preliminary results next year.

The study, coordinated by Southampton University's School of Medicine in England, is one of the latest and largest scientific efforts to understand the mystery of near-death experiences.

At least 15 million American adults say they have had a near-death experience, according to a 1997 survey—and the number is thought to be rising with increasingly sophisticated resuscitation techniques.

In addition to floating above their bodies, people often describe moving down a dark tunnel toward a bright light, feeling intense peace and joy, reviewing life events and seeing long-deceased relatives—only to be told that it's not time yet and land abruptly back in an ailing body.

The once-taboo topic is getting a lot of talk these days. In the new movie "Hereafter," directed by Clint Eastwood, a French journalist is haunted by what she experienced while nearly drowning in a tsunami.

Yet the fundamental debate rages on: Are these glimpses of an afterlife, are they hallucinations or are they the random firings of an oxygen-starved brain?

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Religion; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: afterlife; faithandphilosophy; lifeafterlife; nde; ndes; neardeath; neardeathexperience; raymondmoody
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To: The Comedian

I’m only marking this with your post because I’m tired and I think you are silly. You have neither smelled burning flesh nor have you smelled rotting flesh. Either way, it’s not pretty. I have smelled both and neither are pleasant.


21 posted on 10/26/2010 10:26:44 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Very interested in their findings. How can we track it?


22 posted on 10/26/2010 10:48:52 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Vincit qui se vincit)
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To: Revolting cat!

My mom said it happened to her when she was on the operating table. And she doesn’t believe in conspiracy theories!


23 posted on 10/26/2010 11:11:20 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: SeekAndFind

BUMP


24 posted on 10/26/2010 11:32:18 PM PDT by Taffini ( Mr. Pippen and Mr. Waffles do not approve and neither do I)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks much.

Should be interesting.


25 posted on 10/26/2010 11:52:50 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
There have been several books written on this subject in the past...they are still available and you might be able to find them at your local library.








26 posted on 10/27/2010 7:01:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

RE: Matthews, Olbermann and Maddow have been brain dead for years, only they don’t know it or refuse to acknowledge it.


Here’s a classic one minute scene with Bob Hope almost 70 years ago. He must have been thinking of these guys when he made his classic remark.

One of the best and most truthful lines in movie history.

CLICK HERE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srrw_UnlRII


27 posted on 10/27/2010 7:06:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
57% encountered deceased relatives

And they all wanted to know when I was going to pay them the money I owed.

28 posted on 10/27/2010 7:07:18 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Pablo lives jubtabulously!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Have read all the earlier classics of the genre.

I think Moody broke new ground—I think he was the one to first research the suicide etc. side of things.

Some of the books are far too NEW AGEY for me.


29 posted on 10/27/2010 7:38:55 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: JouleZ
I’m only marking this with your post because I’m tired and I think you are silly. You have neither smelled burning flesh nor have you smelled rotting flesh. Either way, it’s not pretty. I have smelled both and neither are pleasant.

1) The Thermos reference was what we call "allegory". Google it.

2) Even though my point went over your head at Mach 17 and you tangetilized at an amazing 362.7 degrees from my intent, I'll never the less inform you that you are mistaken on both of your assertions.

Now get some sleep, and a colon cleanse.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

30 posted on 10/27/2010 8:49:20 AM PDT by The Comedian (Don't run. You'll just die tired.)
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To: Windflier
The greatest effect this experience had on me, was the realization that I’m not a flesh and bone body, but a spiritual being, entirely separate from the physical universe.

Awesome!

If everyone could come to realize and internalize this *fact* the way you have, everyone would adopt immensely different priorities, and the fear of death that is almost universal, would completely lose its sting.

Thanks for sharing!


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

31 posted on 10/27/2010 8:57:21 AM PDT by The Comedian (Don't run. You'll just die tired.)
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To: The Comedian; Windflier
Comedian, I've only got one thing to say to you regarding your post to Windflier:

DITTO!

32 posted on 10/27/2010 12:01:57 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Aria
...suddenly felt as though I rose out of myself and had the sensation that I could travel ....sort of flying...definitely felt that I had left myself on the couch.

Interesting that you say, "I rose out of myself".

One thing that became strikingly clear to me during my OOBE was that I am not my body. I came away from the experience understanding that I own the meat body, the same way that I own my truck. It's just a temporary vehicle, and I'm the driver.

There's a book by author Albert Taylor called "Soul Traveler" that's a best-seller on the subject of OOBEs. I haven't read it, but I hear it's one of the best out there.

33 posted on 10/27/2010 7:30:40 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: The Comedian
If everyone could come to realize and internalize this *fact* the way you have, everyone would adopt immensely different priorities, and the fear of death that is almost universal, would completely lose its sting.

You're right about that. I have no fear whatsoever of the hereafter. I know for a fact that there is no such thing as death for the individual. Only for the body. We go on. And on.

That's not to say that I value my human life any less than I ever did. I very much like my current identity, and enjoy this worldly existence a great deal. I just don't fear losing it, any more than I fear losing my truck when it finally wears out. I'll get another one.

34 posted on 10/27/2010 7:59:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: The Comedian
Or as CS Lewis said:

"You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body."

35 posted on 10/27/2010 8:04:39 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Aria; Windflier

I had a friend who experienced the same thing.


36 posted on 10/27/2010 8:06:12 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Joe 6-pack
"You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body."

Right on, right on, right on.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

37 posted on 10/27/2010 9:45:02 PM PDT by The Comedian (Don't run. You'll just die tired.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I might be insane, but remember clearly floating out of my body as an infant and coming back several times.

Seemed to have an awareness of things from a much more mature perspective than a 1 year old(?)should.

Saw a lot of weird things, like nuns without faces.

Would come back and leave at will, happened at night while sleeping.

Odd.

38 posted on 10/27/2010 9:59:18 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: SeekAndFind
Har!

That clip, if gone viral, would be the end of them.

39 posted on 10/27/2010 10:07:48 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: Rome2000

Having any memories at all prior to the age of three or so is odd. Remembering out-of-body experiences as an infant is beyond odd.

Are you sure you didn’t imagine it as a child? I’ve had one waking experience that might qualify, the result of emotional trauma. My dog died in my arms and I saw myself trying to revive him. Yes, from the ceiling. This was three years ago.


40 posted on 10/27/2010 10:09:13 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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