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A Dalton Minimum Repeat is Shaping Up
Watts Up With That? ^ | December 20, 2010 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 12/20/2010 3:05:33 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Posted on by Anthony Watts

The sun went spotless yesterday, the first time in quite awhile. It seems like a good time to present this analysis from my friend David Archibald. For those not familiar with the Dalton Minimum, here’s some background info from Wiki:

The Dalton Minimum was a period of low solar activity, named after the English meteorologist John Dalton, lasting from about 1790 to 1830.[1] Like the Maunder Minimum and Spörer Minimum, the Dalton Minimum coincided with a period of lower-than-average global temperatures. The Oberlach Station in Germany, for example, experienced a 2.0°C decline over 20 years.[2] The Year Without a Summer, in 1816, also occurred during the Dalton Minimum. Solar cycles 5 and 6, as shown below, were greatly reduced in amplitude. – Anthony

The Dalton minimum in the 400 year history of sunspot numbers

Guest post by David Archibald
James Marusek emailed me to ask if I could update a particular graph. Now that it is a full two years since the month of solar minimum, this was a good opportunity to update a lot of graphs of solar activity.

Figure 1: Solar Polar Magnetic Field Strength

The Sun’s current low level of activity starts from the low level of solar polar magnetic field strength at the 23/24 minimum. This was half the level at the previous minimum, and Solar Cycle 24 is expected to be just under half the amplitude of Solar Cycle 23.

Figure 2: Heliospheric Current Sheet Tilt Angle

It is said that solar minimum isn’t reached until the heliospheric current sheet tilt angle has flattened. While the month of minimum for the 23/24 transition is considered to be December 2008, the heliospheric current sheet didn’t flatten until June 2009.

Figure 3: Interplanetary Magnetic Field

The Interplanetary Magnetic Field remains very weak. It is almost back to the levels reached in previous solar minima.

Figure 4: Ap Index 1932 – 2010

The Ap Index remains under the levels of previous solar minima.

Figure 5: F10.7 Flux 1948 – 2010

The F10.7 Flux is a more accurate indicator of solar activity than the sunspot number. It remains low.

Figure 6: F10.7 Flux aligned on solar minima

In this figure, the F10.7 flux of the last six solar minima are aligned on the month of minimum, with the two years of decline to the minimum and three years of subsequent rise. The Solar Cycle 24 trajectory is much lower and flatter than the rises of the five previous cycles.

Figure 7: Oulu Neutron Count 1964 – 210

A weaker interplanetary magnetic field means more cosmic rays reach the inner planets of the solar system. The neutron count was higher this minimum than in the previous record. Thanks to the correlation between the F10.7 Flux and the neutron count in Figure 8 following, we now have a target for the Oulu neutron count at Solar Cycle 24 maximum in late 2014 of 6,150.

Figure 8: Oulu Neutron Flux plotted against lagged F10.7 flux

Neutron count tends to peak one year after solar minimum. Figure 8 was created by plotting Oulu neutron count against the F10.7 flux lagged by one year. The relationship demonstrated by this graph indicates that the most likely value for the Oulu neutron count at the Solar Cycle 24 maximum expected to be a F10.7 flux value of 100 in late 2014 will be 6,150.

Figure 9: Solar Cycle 24 compared to Solar Cycle 5

I predicted in a paper published in March 2006 that Solar Cycles 24 and 25 would repeat the experience of the Dalton Minimum. With two years of Solar Cycle 24 data in hand, the trajectory established is repeating the rise of Solar Cycle 5, the first half of the Dalton Minimum. The prediction is confirmed. Like Solar Cycles 5 and 6, Solar Cycle 24 is expected to be 12 years long. Solar maximum will be in late 2014/early 2015.

Figure 10: North America Snow Cover Ex-Greenland

The northern hemisphere is experiencing its fourth consecutive cold winter. The current winter is one of the coldest for a hundred years or more. For cold winters to provide positive feedback, snow cover has to survive from one winter to the next so that snow’s higher albedo relative to bare rock will reflect sunlight into space, causing cooler summers. The month of snow cover minimum is most often August, sometimes July. We have to wait another eight months to find out how this winter went in terms of retained snow cover. The 1970s cooling period had much higher snow cover minima than the last thirty years. Despite the last few cold winters, there was no increase in the snow cover minima. The snow cover minimum may have to get to over two million square kilometres before it starts having a significant effect.

David Archibald

December 2010



TOPICS: Astronomy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; climatechange; daltonminimum; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; godsgravesglyphs
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1 posted on 12/20/2010 3:05:37 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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2 posted on 12/20/2010 3:07:04 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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3 posted on 12/20/2010 3:09:50 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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4 posted on 12/20/2010 3:09:59 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (WE'RE SCREWED '08)
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BOHICA


5 posted on 12/20/2010 3:12:05 PM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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Bill Jamison says:

December 20, 2010 at 12:54 am

Well we’re having a cold FALL, winter is yet to be determined! Thanks for the update, I was wondering when we’d see a new “prediction” from NASA updating their incorrect one. So far David Archibald’s predictions have been MUCH more accurate than almost everyone else’s. Pretty impressive so far but the jury is still out and it will be many years before we know for sure that he really nailed it.

6 posted on 12/20/2010 3:13:23 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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Thanx Ernest_at_the_Beach !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

7 posted on 12/20/2010 3:13:46 PM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

We need to begin drillng immediately to get more energy. If it is a Dalton Minimum it is going to get cold.


8 posted on 12/20/2010 3:14:51 PM PST by texmexis best (`)
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vukcevic says:

December 20, 2010 at 1:41 am

Dalton minimum winters (according to CETs) were not too bad. There was occasionally colder one, last winter was on par or even worse then those of 1805 -1810.
Detailed seasons CETs 1659-2010 (reference 1950) available here:
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/CET-D.htm


9 posted on 12/20/2010 3:15:36 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Interesting Times; zot

A Brrrrrrr Ping!


10 posted on 12/20/2010 3:16:35 PM PST by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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David, UK says:

December 20, 2010 at 1:54 am

Robert M says:
December 20, 2010 at 12:46 am

I believe if there is a 2c drop it could be disaster for humanity especially if the warmies and watermelons get what they want and world governments are blindsided by the cold.

I am of the mind that we need to start seeing a significant drop in temperatures for the sake of humanity. For all the damage this would do (crops would suffer, millions would die of starvation and cold-related deaths) it would pale besides the damage our corrupt leaders and the UN would inflict on us. We have already seen deaths from starvation due to tax-subsidised farmers growing biofuel instead of food (pushing food prices through the roof). We have already seen masses of jobs lost as once-free businesses fail to compete with the tax-funded green industry. We have already seen energy bills sky-rocket. We have already seen an entire section of the population – i.e. those who know that scepticism in science is an essential element – stigmatised by our own political representatives as “climate deniers” (Gordon Brown used the term on many occasions during his short, unelected period in office, as does Obama, as do most of the unelected EU, as do most of the unelected UN). We have already seen Government-produced propaganda targeted towards children, designed to scare them and if necessary to turn them against their sceptical parents. This is showing no signs of stopping, despite the complete failure of alarmists to prove their corrupt hypothesis. If anything, the more evidence that mounts against them (i.e. that the recent warming is part of a natural cycle, and is nothing remotely unusual), the more totalitarian they become.

So again, I say bring on the cold.

11 posted on 12/20/2010 3:17:23 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Dalton minimum:

Worst

movie

ever.

12 posted on 12/20/2010 3:18:04 PM PST by Rebelbase
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This ones says it will be even colder :

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J.Gommers says:

December 20, 2010 at 2:02 am

The prediction is not consistent with the Livingston/Penn forecast. Four years from now the sunspotnumber will be around 10 and cycle 25 will be substantially weaker than cycle 24. Looks much different, more like a Maunder minimum.
But in medio 2011 there will be certainty.

13 posted on 12/20/2010 3:19:37 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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Bryan Farmer says:

December 20, 2010 at 3:08 am

I think one of the things you have to remember is the oceans hold allot of heat and solar cycle 22 & 23 were much higher than were seeing now, it takes time for some of that latent heat to be removed from the oceans. I think it will be the gradual step down over the next 10 or 20 years for the ocean’s to return to temps seen during the Dalton Min. We get to watch the great climate machine work through its natural pace, irrespective of what man’s little influence is to or climate.

14 posted on 12/20/2010 3:23:58 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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AusieDan says:

December 20, 2010 at 4:42 am

Sense Seeker
It’s been raining all over Australia, when it should be summertime dry.
And it’s been cold in Sydney when it should be hot, but there a chill in the air and snow in the hills.
I can’t remember this type of weather since the late 1940′s, which led to an extended period of cooler, wetter conditions, following the long drought of the 1930′s and early 1940′s.
At best, the 60 year cycle has turned and we’re in for 30 years of cooler weather.
At worst, the whole series of cycles is ending and we’re in for a much bleaker time. That will take a few years more before we can see which pattern prevails.

You speak of the influence of CO2.
Once you remove the true influence of UHI from the global indexes you will find no evidence of CO2 heating in the past 150 years of measured temperatures.

Watch and learn – either the temperature is about to accelerate according to the IPCC 4th report, or it is about to decline.
time will tell.

We live in interesting times.

15 posted on 12/20/2010 3:30:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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And it has been cold before....

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Frosty says:

December 20, 2010 at 4:46 am

vukcevic says:
December 20, 2010 at 1:41 am

Dalton minimum winters (according to CETs) were not too bad.”

I just picked a few examples starting at 1850, from this fascinating document….
A Chronological Listing of Early Weather Events – James A. Marusek
http://www.breadandbutterscience.com/Weather.pdf

1850 A.D. In Ireland in April, there were great floods in County Kerry
1851 A.D. In Ireland, there were great and destructive floods alike in spring and autumn
The summer of 1852 was remarkably hot in Russia, England, Holland, Belgium and France (two farmers died of heat in Netherlands)
1853 A.D. In the United States in 1853, the Mississippi River froze solid enough to walk 200 miles from St Louis, Missouri to La Claire, Iowa – Floods is Wales and Ireland
Winter of 1853 / 1854 A.D. severe France & Germany many rivers frozen, mild in UK.
The winter of 1854-55 was quite severe in southern Russia, in Denmark, England, France, Spain and Italy.
In 1857 there were three distinct periods of summer heat
1860 A.D. In India during the years 1860-61, there was a severe drought in parts of the Punjaub and northwest provinces
In England, the frost of December 1860 and January 1861 were remarkable. Christmas eve was extremely cold. In the valley of the Rea, the temperature dropped to -5.0° to -7.0° F (-20.6° to -21.7° C).70
In Buenos Aires, Argentina, a drought occurred in 1863 and 1864.
Winter of 1863 / 1864 A.D. The meteorological condition in the northern hemisphere during December 1863 and January 1864 were remarkable. A cold polar current flowed southward dramatically dropping temperatures in the middle of the United States (this was confined to a narrow band), and at the same time warm equatorial currents flowed northward over contiguous spaces, and thus restoring the general equilibrium of temperature and of pressure by opposite and parallel streams. At the same time an unbroken sheet of cold air, swept down through Eastern Europe, on the one side, to at least the Sandwich Islands on the other, flowed southward. Everywhere in this wide band severe temperatures were experienced
The United States experienced severe cold and extensive snowstorm in the end of December 1863 and beginning of January 1864
Winter of 1864 / 1865 A.D. The winter lasted from December to the end of March. The Seine River was frozen over at Paris, France
Winter of 1866 / 1867 A.D. The Baltic Sea froze
Winter of 1870 / 1871 A.D. The Baltic Sea froze
1876 – 1879 A.D. This period produced many great droughts covering the globe
Winter of 1876 / 1877 A.D. During the winter of 1876-77, the Baltic Sea was completely covered with ice.
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even tho the record is incomplete, it should be possible to graph frozen rivers, maybe droughts/famine and flood events too.

16 posted on 12/20/2010 3:36:00 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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David W says:

December 20, 2010 at 5:52 am

The more the climate scientists talk up the heat given the past few winters, the more they totally shred their credibility with the public who have to wear the consequences of a government unprepared for these severe cold snaps.
Its tough to believe in “global warming” when your constantly freezing your ass off.

17 posted on 12/20/2010 3:42:50 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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Ian W says:

December 20, 2010 at 5:55 am

HR says:
December 20, 2010 at 3:17 am
So any lags in global temperature associated with this?

Because where ever you think 2010 global temp is going to finish it’s going to take a stretch to describe it as cool no matter how many personnel reports of it being cold outside. Certainly the UAH satellite data doesn’t seem to have it cool.

‘Cool’ and ‘hot’ are measures of temperature.

Temperature does not equal heat content

A dry airmass (see http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/natl/flash-wv.html ) holds far less heat than a humid airmass. So all that dry air you can see near the tropics is really hot but holds far less heat than the humid airmass.

Everyone is using the incorrect metric.

After all the ‘green house gas’ theory is that ‘heat’ is trapped in the atmosphere. The amount of temperature rise in air depends on its enthalpy which is driven largely by its water vapor content.

So scientists should stop measuring temperature and doing temperature comparisons ! They are meaningless.


18 posted on 12/20/2010 3:45:59 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

A bit warmer than normal here in Colorado, but my folks in Florida are getting record lows. Looks like europe is getting a good dose of “glo-bull” warming.


19 posted on 12/20/2010 3:47:47 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This global warming foolery combined with daft economic policies may turn independents against the rats for a long time to come.


20 posted on 12/20/2010 3:48:35 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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That would be Good!


21 posted on 12/20/2010 3:57:28 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Today is the first day of Summer in Australia:

Yes, that is fresh snow on the ground. Almost 4" of it.

Perisher ski resort got a foot of snow.

This would be like a foot of snow falling on the Smokey Mountains on the Tennessee/Virgina border on June 21st.

22 posted on 12/20/2010 3:58:41 PM PST by magellan
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Um, wasn’t there a lot of talk, just a couple years ago, about the sun being void of sunspots? I remember seeing articles about it when arguing AGW with the AGW flat earthers.


23 posted on 12/20/2010 4:00:04 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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It’s got some good music.

I’m gonna guess the sequel was even worse, though.


24 posted on 12/20/2010 4:06:18 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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I’ve mentioned to people that the temperature at the south pole could go up 20 degrees, and if the moisture content went up as well, and we got a LOT of precipitation where there is little now, we could see a massive increase in the polar ice cap even though temperatures warmed, since the average would still be way below freezing.

Sure, over-simplistic, but it at least makes people think.


25 posted on 12/20/2010 4:09:39 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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Who's the blonde?

Props to cripplecreek for the graphics!

26 posted on 12/20/2010 4:09:57 PM PST by Viking2002 (2012 - NO PRISONERS! NO QUARTER!)
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Oh my....thanks for the photo:
27 posted on 12/20/2010 4:10:30 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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Sounds like a spotless record to me all right.
28 posted on 12/20/2010 4:15:50 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Here's the *real* Dalton Minimum:

Dalton Gang, Coffeyville

29 posted on 12/20/2010 4:29:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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30 posted on 12/20/2010 4:31:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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My theory is that the earth is a self regulating entity. This is born out by the amount of time it has been able to support life in its many forms. Even after catastrophic events it recovers and carries on. Our contribution to this great drama is miniscule to say the least.


31 posted on 12/20/2010 5:11:36 PM PST by refermech
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And the Dalton Gang hideout was down in Southwest Kansas...believe it was Meade Kans...bout 80 miles out of Dodge City.


32 posted on 12/20/2010 5:13:17 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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bumpity bump bump.


33 posted on 12/20/2010 5:21:04 PM PST by TheOldLady ("I WILL PLANT. I WILL HARVEST. I WILL RESIST WITH FORCE...ANY ATTEMPT TO STOP ME." - Lazamataz)
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QUOTED FROM ICE AGE NOW WEBSITE -

IN AUSTRALIA:

Cold and rain records tumble in Alice Springs, Australia (I missed this earlier, so am listing it now.) - 20 Sep 10 - The Alice Springs district did not only experience its coldest September day on record, but some areas have already broken the rainfall record for the month - and there are still 10 days to go.

On Thursday, temperatures in Alice Springs did not make it over the 11.6C mark on thermometers, bringing the coldest September day to the Alice since the beginning of temperature recordings in 1942.

Uluru experienced its wettest September on record, while other locations across the district were also due to break their records, after a cloud band brought “good falls” to Central Australia.

Around 30mm to 50mm of rain had been recorded in the Alice district throughout last week, but several locations, including Jervois and Atula - northeast of Alice Springs - had up to 94mm of rain.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2010/09/20/180561_ntnews.html
Thanks to Ray Baney for this link

Snow time in springtime across Victoria - 17 Oct 10 - Snow fell as low as 500 metres above sea level, including Mount Dandenong, around Ballarat and the ranges north-east of Melbourne.

Kinglake Central farm manager Sue Rabjones said the snow was like a ‘’white wonderland ... about five to six inches deep in some places.’’

Melbourne shivered through its coldest October morning in 15 years yesterday when temperatures dropped to 4.7 degrees. Mount Buller recorded the state’s lowest temperature with -6.9 degrees.

Senior forecaster Dean Stewart said 34 mm of rain fell across Melbourne yesterday, filling dams to nearly 50 per cent.
http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/sleet-and-snow—yes-its-springtime-20101016-16odc.html
Thanks to Ray Baney and Lance Pidgeon for this link
“We’re supposed to be in spring here,” says Ray.

Cold snap brings snow to Victoria - 16 Oct 10 - The Bureau of Meteorology’s Richard Carlyon says snow has fallen down to 500 metres overnight ... Mt Dandenong, the Kinglake Ranges and around Ballarat.

“Measuring off the street out the front of the road, there’s 40 millimetres of snow on the road, just putting a ruler into the ground,” said Kinglake resident Ashley Richard.

Meanwhile, the state’s north-east is still on flood-watch after rainfall of 50 to 90 millimetres.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/16/3040125.htm
Thanks to Ray Baney for this link

Eastern Australia “massive cold front” - 17 Oct 10 - Parts of southern NSW were declared a natural disaster area yesterday after flooding, gales and snow forced the evacuation of hundreds of residents, damaged dozens of homes and closed major roads.

The massive cold front that passed over NSW, Victoria and southern Queensland late on Friday and early yesterday left the State Emergency Services with 1300 requests for help.

Plummeting temperatures brought unseasonal snowfalls to the Blue Mountains, southern highlands and southern tablelands as well as the cities of Orange and Bathurst, temporarily closing the Mid Western Highway. Snow also fell in Canberra.
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/elements-make-for-a-natural-disaster-area-201010 16-16oan.html
Thanks to Lance Pidgeon and Wanda for this link

http://www.iceagenow.com/2010_Other_Parts_of_the_World.htm


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35 posted on 12/20/2010 5:50:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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"Dammit!"


36 posted on 12/20/2010 5:57:23 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It is hard to argue with the obvious. The global temps are dropping in both the southern and northern hemispheres. I assume most of our readers are aware two days before their summer officially begins, the mountains just north of Melbourne Australia for the second year in a row has had snow fall. Close to a inch in some areas within the mountain range just north of the mentioned city. Last year this week the same thing happened in the same area of that continent.
How many poor souls will freeze to death this year?
Gore lied. People die.
37 posted on 12/20/2010 6:00:32 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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Everybody feels that colder winters are in store. The moonbats are doing everything they can to dispel that and call it “change”. Change from What........Even a vacation meeting in Cancun couldn’t help them. Tell these bastards to shove their GLOBAL CLIMATE MONETARY REDISTRIBUTION up their ass.


38 posted on 12/20/2010 6:06:21 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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Thanks refermech.


39 posted on 12/20/2010 6:26:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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Thanks!


40 posted on 12/20/2010 6:27:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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Seeing this, I actually thought it was brain scan of Algore....no synapses firing, a brain freeze due to dreams of melting glaciers and ice caps drifting through his head. I had to read only a little further to find I was wrong......and it only took .03012 seconds.

Having suffered through 'The Coming Ice Age' during the seventies.....in sweltering heat, I recall that that notion didn't survive long. The longevity of the Global Warming hoax, despite the copious evidence that negates it's predictions and the political/financial exposés of proponents of the bogus therory of late amazes me.

The folks in the 1700s didn't have the scientific or technological capabilities that are today's but they knew when it was warm....or cold. They had the wooly bear caterpillar!

Hmmmm....maybe it was a brain scan of a Global Warming proponent after all.
41 posted on 12/20/2010 6:59:03 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: eyedigress
Some in our Congress and elsewhere are starting to them where to shove it. But the huge investments by the Goldman Sach and GE's of the world don't help things. To much money has been pumped into their grand crime of the Millennium for them to just roll over and die.
Look at how the clowns in California started the new carbon exchange in that state after the beating the Chicago Carbon Exchange has been taking.
To much money and global level power grabs to just have them go away.
It will continue to be an uphill battle to just stop the damn EPA from pulling off it's new set of punishments it wants to hand out to the energy producing industries along with the auto industry.
But I assure you I have similar feelings as to where they can stuff their criminal orchestrated false science.
42 posted on 12/20/2010 7:01:20 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Don’t be surprised to learn this carbon global climate warming and or change crap didn’t fund those pensions. A look at the books is next. The TEA party is not done.


43 posted on 12/20/2010 7:32:23 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Crap, there goes 10 and 6 meter DX down the commode. B-P I sure hope 20 meters will still be OK.


44 posted on 12/20/2010 7:36:05 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: TheOldLady
bumpity bump bump.

That's the sound my bass boat makes when it bounces over the floating ice in Lake Havasu, during the July thaw!

45 posted on 12/20/2010 8:56:23 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Mohammad was the earliest documented pedophile "priest"...and was proud of it.)
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To: The Shrew; Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping. I had been looking for a reliable update on what the sun is [isn’t] doing.


46 posted on 12/20/2010 8:57:24 PM PST by zot
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To: eyedigress

I’m aware of how some of large corporate pension funds are now taking a hit. A few of the British news papers come to mind, just to name one victim.


47 posted on 12/20/2010 9:20:40 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: eyedigress
I should have added. It is important that a large swath of the tea party movement get a damn good over all idea as to how bad this scam really is. And what the one world government goons would bring down on us if they can get the blessings from enough of western governments and others to do so.
And over the next perhaps ten to twenty years or perhaps more depending on how things go... the world will be getting a dose of real global cooling. Hopefully the goons in the current administration and all their fellow goons on the Hill that are mostly not only very stupid, ignorant as well as snobs will get the message, along with all the big money players that the gig is up. The crime has been for the most part fully explored and the criminal list is long.
I'll leave it go at that. Do have a great upcoming day.
48 posted on 12/20/2010 9:35:49 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All

The 1816 “Year without a summer” was principally caused by atmospheric effects from the huge Tambora eruption in 1815. The fact that there was also a minimum going on probably just made it worse, but it was more the volcano that year than the sun.


49 posted on 12/20/2010 11:22:41 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All

I am not clear on what your point is with this weather from 1850 to the 1870s, interesting thought it may be. The Dalton Minimum was from 1790 to 1830.


50 posted on 12/20/2010 11:36:44 PM PST by gleeaikin
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