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Make them pay: what can Wisconsin do? (VANITY)
self ^ | 2/20/11 | tsomer

Posted on 02/20/2011 11:18:38 AM PST by tsomer

Here’s what they, and every other state facing similar organized action, need to do:

1.Bring in the cops and pay the overtime. Outfit them in those black ninja suits with lots of padding and hardware. 2.Since the schools are already empty, take over the gymnasiums and rent a few porta-potties, one for men,one for the ladies. 3. Arrest and detain every jay-walker, litter-bug, peace disturber, trespasser etc. and detain them until someone pays their fine— the maximum. 4. Boot and ticket and tow and impound every vehicle parked the least bit out of line. 5. Advise area food businesses to raise food prices, and parking lot fees. 6. If unions bus in their own food, put food inspectors on them. 7. fire any state worker who refuses directions.

Get the idea? Maybe they could balance the state’s budget out of this mess.

They don’t need to go to the heart; they should start at the fringe and work your way in. In other words: pick the low-hanging fruit first; once the outer border dissolves, the core will weaken.

It's a matter of mob psychology -- and revenue enhancement.

Lawsuits? Delay, delay, delay.


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I posted these thoughts on a previous reply, but I think it needs further discussion.

There are many legal technicalities to this general strategy that need discussion and input from those more knowledgeable.

These things are what they do. They're the ones who set the terms of this fight. To win, we'll need to think like them and do what they'd do, or so it seems to me.

Very much appreciate thoughts, criticisms, ideas, corrections.

Thanks.

1 posted on 02/20/2011 11:18:41 AM PST by tsomer
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To: tsomer

Just checking.


2 posted on 02/20/2011 11:19:50 AM PST by tsomer
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To: tsomer

The link above is the Flopping Aces site, which I picked to satisfy the post requirements.

No, I have no relationship and regret the mistake.


3 posted on 02/20/2011 11:22:27 AM PST by tsomer
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To: tsomer

Find out where their leaders live and picket their homes.


4 posted on 02/20/2011 11:22:48 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: tsomer

Any teacher or other Government employe who submits a falsified Doctor’s report or excuse for the purpose of collecting sick pay, sick time, or to keep his/her job must be immediately arrested, prosecuted for fraud, convicted, and incarcerated in a Maximum Security Facility....


5 posted on 02/20/2011 11:25:59 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: tsomer

#7 seems obviously correct. The first six sound like you would prefer a totalitarian government. I disagree.


6 posted on 02/20/2011 11:26:24 AM PST by rot.com
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To: tsomer

In this corner; Guv Walker representing the former golden goose

And in this corner; 14 state senators representing the golden goose wreckers


7 posted on 02/20/2011 11:26:31 AM PST by umgud
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To: tsomer
The governor should take a lesson from Reagan. When the air traffic controllers went on strike he fired every one of them. He wasn't playing games to coddle loafers. The governor needs to say (and mean) that every state worker will report to work on Monday. Any one of them that is late or absent or dilatory in any way will be fired. Then do it. This isn't a game and they aren't the "loyal opposition". Also, he needs to start organizing his supporters and get them over there to balance the playing field. PR is huge in these situations, and right now it looks like the unions have it all on their side. It should be possible to get two people there for every one from the unions. As for the missing legislators, I don't know if there is recall in Wisconsin, but if there is, get to it.

This isn't a game and they aren't the "loyal opposition". Act accordingly.

8 posted on 02/20/2011 11:28:38 AM PST by Batrachian (9/11 confirmed everything I already knew about Islam. Not that it needed much confirming.)
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Instead of the collective bargaining back to wok details, let each teach try to get job back on thier own merit.

Mmake them pay for stress they put on students.

Make them pay for all baby sitters and days off for parents who couldn;t get child care, ETC.


9 posted on 02/20/2011 11:34:54 AM PST by devistate one four ( AARP: Anti America Retired People Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: tsomer

I would just go back to business without them - I notice they are back in session Tuesday & no, they do not need that quorum to introduce and pass any non fiscal items - like right to Work & shall issue carry permit.


10 posted on 02/20/2011 11:35:58 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: tsomer

Can’t the Governor fire all the teachers that are protesting like Reagan did with the air traffic controllers?

I’m sure there are teachers in other states that have either been laid off, cut back to part time or substituting while they wait for a job that would be happy to move to WI to take some vacant positions!


11 posted on 02/20/2011 11:37:28 AM PST by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Batrachian
The governor needs to say (and mean) that every state worker will report to work on Monday.

The problem is that this is not technically a strike. In the eyes of the law, especially now with doctors handing out sick notes, it is just a bunch of workers who are making use of accumulated sick leave. There's probably nothing the governor can do force these slackers back to work, which is why he needs to strip them of their collective bargaining rights first.

As other posters have pointed out, the Democrats are only needed to deal with fiscal matters. The remaining GOP legislators in Wisconsin should perhaps use this free time to pass other bills that would benefit the residents of this state. Perhaps the first one would be that any government worker hired in the future would only be allowed to accumulate personal time off, instead of being allowed sick days.

12 posted on 02/20/2011 11:38:34 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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On another thread someone suggested passing legislation that does not require a dem vote (non-financial matters) but would be highly un-palatable to dems - like “Run for POTUS-Bring Valid ID” or rescind environmental legislation. Then the Dems would be forced to come back or let that kind of thing happen. That’s a great idea as far as I’m concerned!


13 posted on 02/20/2011 11:38:34 AM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Batrachian
The governor should take a lesson from Reagan. When the air traffic controllers went on strike he fired every one of them. He wasn't playing games to coddle loafers.

I believe Reagan was able to do so because in the PATCO contract had specific language that did not give them the right to strike. Reagan warned them of the consequences and acted when they refused to comply with the law.

As much as I like the idea, I think we have a different situation here. Although, technically they aren't on strike. So I guess Walker could fire them.

14 posted on 02/20/2011 11:38:51 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: tsomer

Pray that they will get 10 inches of snow and will be unable to protest....oh, wait.


15 posted on 02/20/2011 11:39:14 AM PST by madison10
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To: rot.com
#7 seems obviously correct. The first six sound like you would prefer a totalitarian government. I disagree.

Good point.

But given the circumstances, what other options are there?

Protest is off limits to us, every time we've resorted to it we're defamed. The left is very sophisticated in the use of imagery-- at finding the least flattering and most symbolic instances to depict any given event.

I'm not terribly optimistic about the outcome unless we use any & all means not expressly illegal.

Claim the gray areas before they do.

16 posted on 02/20/2011 11:42:29 AM PST by tsomer
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” especially now with doctors handing out sick notes, it is just a bunch of workers who are making use of accumulated sick leave. “

See post #5....

This is FRAUDULENTLY OBTAINING GOVERNMENT FUNDS, and must be prosecuted!!!!


17 posted on 02/20/2011 11:44:55 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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I know the situation is not identical, and these people are not on strike, but they are clearly absent without leave, so to speak, and the doctor's notes are worthless, because I'm quite sure they have all been caught on camera, whereas if they where sick they should be home in bed. So, not only are they absent without leave, but they're producing phony documents as well. Fire them. If they sue, then so be it. In the mean time, Wisconsin will be rid of them. I only hope that the governor does have some strategy for dealing with prolonged disruptions. If he's seen as being weak or clueless in the face of this crisis then all is lost, and I don't have to tell anyone the consequences of a loss here.
18 posted on 02/20/2011 11:48:14 AM PST by Batrachian (9/11 confirmed everything I already knew about Islam. Not that it needed much confirming.)
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To: Uncle Ike
Question
In Wisconsin do teachers work for the county or the state?
If they don't work for the state, then there seems very little that Walker can do.
Now state workers I assume by definition pretty much would be working for the state executive department and are subject to what ever labor laws that might exist for state employees. The governor might have more authority there.
19 posted on 02/20/2011 11:49:25 AM PST by Reily
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To: leapfrog0202

“Can’t the Governor fire all the teachers that are protesting like Reagan did with the air traffic controllers?”

I don’t know how it works in Wisconsin, but in most states, teachers are employed by the local school board. They may bet part, or even most, of their salary from the state, but the hiring/firing decisions are made at the local level. So, to answer your question, the governor probably can’t fire them.


20 posted on 02/20/2011 11:50:49 AM PST by balch3
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