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Why Firefox 4 Is Winning the Browser Battle
PC World ^ | 03/23/2011 | Katherine Noyes

Posted on 03/23/2011 2:48:16 PM PDT by OldDeckHand

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To: OldDeckHand; Sarah Barracuda
I just discovered something about the missing buttons for "Reload" and "Stop".

I generally have the menu bar show small icons only. When I go to customize the view, the buttons are shown but disappear when I click "Done". If I select "Icons and Text" or "Text", the buttons remain visible.

Very strange.

51 posted on 03/24/2011 7:42:44 AM PDT by ken in texas (Can't Afford a Tagline... send money.)
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To: Politicalmom
FEBE?
I reckon I don't. I'll look into that. Thanks for the tip.
52 posted on 03/24/2011 7:44:17 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: ken in texas
That is strange. My buttons are where they were in my prior installation of FF3. I did, however, customize those buttons on that build, and FF4 remembered their placement. When I installed FF4, it didn't have the "new" combined stop/reload button.

The only thing I had to change after the FF4 install, was to move my tabs back down below the URL bar. Other than that, and a new tab called "feedback" (that I can't seem to get rid of) and the Firefox drop down menu in the upper left, it looks almost identical to FF3.

53 posted on 03/24/2011 7:48:45 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Malsua

Unfortunately, we run Adobe Connect, so I have to have ActiveX allowed on my network.


54 posted on 03/24/2011 8:07:15 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: OldDeckHand

I happened to notice it when I switched to my wife’s login to make sure all was well with the new Firefox. I have her running with different options and was surprised to see the buttons for the “missing” functions.


55 posted on 03/24/2011 8:29:37 AM PDT by ken in texas (Can't Afford a Tagline... send money.)
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To: OldDeckHand

I don’t have that choice under browsing, but I’ll keep checking. Thanks for the tip. :)


56 posted on 03/24/2011 8:34:58 AM PDT by Politicalmom ("We are an 'entitlement' society and we need to move towards being an 'empowerment' society"-H. Cain)
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To: TomGuy

It’s faster, but seems to me that the memory leak is both worse and faster also.

That said, first day or two I reloaded it so many times fiddling with addons that it makes it hard to really judge well, and at least one game I play tend to aggressively grab resources, but then at the end gives things back in such a way as to reset memory leaks from everything.

Machine hits 55% resources used without more than the normal load, or gobs of tabs open? Time to load WoW or kill FF and restart it.


57 posted on 03/24/2011 10:53:11 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (Stupid should hurt.)
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To: OldDeckHand
To "improve stability" FF4 spins plug-ins off in a separate process. It didn't take long before failure. I was on a site that uses Adobe Flash to deliver video. I killed the browser because it hung yet that separate process did not die. I had to kill it separately.

FF4 is still half-baked. I'll stick with any other browser including the prior version.

58 posted on 03/24/2011 1:43:56 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama: nobel peace prize winner, warmonger, golfer.)
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

59 posted on 03/24/2011 3:08:13 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: OldDeckHand
My only word of warning is that I have noticed text-editor's, like the one FreeRepublic uses, acts a bit strange. You get vertical lines running through the editing box. It's annoying. It's a problem I have on both my PCs - one desktop, one laptop both running 64-bit W7.

I have not noticed that problem - and I am on Win7/64 too...

I mainly have interface complaints:

The Home button and bookmarks on the extreme right is a reach every time, as is the refresh button.

And tabs-on-top is again, more mouse travel than needful - Thankfully that is easily fixed, so my tabs are once again where they belong.

I loaded it onto a legacy box last night... a 2.4 ghz running XP with 1g of ram, where it performed very poorly in comparison to it's previous version. IT FLIES on new hardware, no doubt, but if you are underpowered it is probably best to stick to FF3.

60 posted on 03/24/2011 6:04:57 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
"I have not noticed that problem - and I am on Win7/64 too... "

My son fixed the problem last night. I have no idea what he did, but it's fine now - FYI.

61 posted on 03/24/2011 6:12:23 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Straight Vermonter; Quix
Speaking of the forms on here, do you use the user script addon for FreeRepublic? It makes posting much easier.

The box for posting is much larger (about 99% of your screen width) and there are buttons for the most commonly used HTML tags. If you post images or links or just like nicely formatted posts then it is definitely worth downloading.

d000d! This is seriously AWESOME! If just for the added editing space, not to mention any buttons! Why isn't this broadly advertised here somehow?

Thank you so very much!

62 posted on 03/24/2011 6:30:35 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Tainan

Some of my extensions didn’t upgrade but everything else turned out fine for my switch.


63 posted on 03/24/2011 6:30:41 PM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Using it on my Mac right now, pretty sweet. Even less incentive to move to Safari.


64 posted on 03/24/2011 6:55:12 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: SamAdams76
At first, it seemed kind of sparse but once I got the hang of it, I came to appreciate the simplicity of it.

Ditto. Chrome is better than I thought it would be.

If you can't appreciate the pure beauty of the violin after hearing this, something's wrong with your ears.

65 posted on 03/24/2011 7:00:11 PM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: rdb3

Indeed. Beautiful sound; beautiful music.

Thx.


66 posted on 03/24/2011 8:31:11 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: OldDeckHand
I wouldn't care if Bill Gates and his entire IE team served me Earl Grey and Biscotti each morning for a month, I'll not install anything MS that I don't absolutely need, and can't find a Linux version of.

Firefox rox!
67 posted on 03/24/2011 9:04:52 PM PDT by papasmurf (War is hell, but not the worst hell. Having a PRES__ENT comes close!)
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To: Tainan

Not sure what happened with your install. But because of your post, I tested the upgrade on my work laptop (which is getting replaced next week anyway). It had add-ons and plug-ins as well as a few bookmarks.

After the upgrade, all bookmarks are still there, all add-ons are still there, although a few were not compatible, but were still listed with a note that they will upgrade when there is a compatible version.

So far, all seems to be working fine with 4.0.


68 posted on 03/25/2011 6:34:08 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: OldDeckHand

Firefox has a larger core of dedicated (fanatic?) users, but a smaller group of users overall. So of course it would outstrip IE on first-day downloads. But given time they’ll be exceeded again, because there’s just plain more people using IE.


69 posted on 03/25/2011 6:47:31 AM PDT by Styria
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To: Tatze

Thats good to hear. Despite my rant I am a Firefox fan. I like it and the add-ons and stuff it has to offer.

Once it gets more “broken-in” I may try 4.0 again. But I’m still P.O’ed about he bkmrks and things I lost in my attempt at the upgrade.


70 posted on 03/25/2011 8:16:20 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: steve86

I’m using the 64-bit and 32-bit versions on different computers. Both seem to be working ok. I wish Mozilla released official 64-bit versions for Linux. It’s a pain to have to go hunt it down.


71 posted on 03/25/2011 9:16:01 AM PDT by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: Straight Vermonter
The best FR addon for FF is the Xinha editor. It's totally wysiwyg and produces nice, clean html.

72 posted on 03/25/2011 9:18:19 AM PDT by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: Tainan

I going to guess you have seen the light of doing BACKUPS.

Lots of ways to accomplish that. For example, I export Firefox bookmarks, and email them to myself. Also sync them. Also the ordinary home directory backups (which will include the add-on configurations). Also image backups to memory sticks.


73 posted on 03/25/2011 9:45:16 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: Tatze; Tainan

I am now in a wait and see (more research)before going to 4 from 3.6.15. I don’t want to go thru what Tainan did.

What OS are you two using?


74 posted on 03/25/2011 10:19:36 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: catnipman

I never have FF lock up and I’ll let it run for weeks, if not occasionally months without restarting it. It uses a lot of ram, but that’s primarily because of the way pages are cached. There are some config (about:config) changes you can make to affect how that operates. Maybe it’s because I’m running Linux that it is so much more stable.


75 posted on 03/25/2011 10:50:03 AM PDT by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: OldDeckHand

Upgraded on my home computer and was surprised when many of my addons were disabled?I’m Going to wait on to upgrade my office PC until the FF4 addon set becomes more robust.


76 posted on 03/25/2011 10:56:39 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: zeugma

Thanks, I’ll check it out.


77 posted on 03/25/2011 12:19:28 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: free_life; steve86
Win XP Pro..all of the updates in place.

Stever86, thanks for the tip on how to back-up bkmrks. Will be useful...in the future.
78 posted on 03/25/2011 6:29:00 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: roamer_1
Re: The Home button and bookmarks on the extreme right is a reach every time, as is the refresh button.

If you go to "View" / "Toolbars" / "Customize..." you should be able to drag the buttons to a position you prefer. I still can't get some buttons to display when selecting "small icons" without text, but you should be able to reposition them.

79 posted on 03/26/2011 7:33:23 AM PDT by ken in texas (Can't Afford a Tagline... send money.)
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To: OldDeckHand
While I welcome Firefox 4.0's dramatic speed increase over Firefox 3.6.15, there's one gigantic downside: many add-ons no longer work.  It could be at least a month before most add-ons are upgraded to Firefox 4.0-compatible versions.

By the way, the hardware acceleration for Firefox 4.0 under Windows XP is not really that great, due to the limitations of the Windows XP memory management and display driver design. However, under Windows Vista and Windows 7, the hardware acceleration does work very effectively with the more modern memory management and better display drivers of the more modern Windows versions, making it just about as fast as Google Chrome 10.0.648.204 (the current version) in many operations.

80 posted on 03/30/2011 8:06:31 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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