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Parents keep child's gender secret
parentcentral.ca ^ | May 21, 2011 | Jayme Poisson

Posted on 05/23/2011 8:59:48 PM PDT by rightly_dividing

“So it’s a boy, right?” a neighbour calls out as Kathy Witterick walks by, her four month old baby, Storm, strapped to her chest in a carrier.

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Each week the woman asks the same question about the baby with the squishy cheeks and feathery blond hair.

Witterick smiles, opens her arms wide, comments on the sunny spring day, and keeps walking.

She’s used to it. The neighbours know Witterick and her husband, David Stocker, are raising a genderless baby. But they don’t pretend to understand it.

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KEYWORDS: futureserialkiller; gender; genderidentity; hippyvalues; parenting; poorparenting
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Proof that some poeple should not be allowed to multiply. And these same people vote!
1 posted on 05/23/2011 8:59:51 PM PDT by rightly_dividing
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To: rightly_dividing

How to raise a serial-killer without really trying.


2 posted on 05/23/2011 9:00:36 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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To: rightly_dividing

DNA is not a choice


3 posted on 05/23/2011 9:03:04 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: rightly_dividing

Well, here’s one kid that will wind up in the nut house or become a serial killer or end up like Charity Bono, nuttier than a fruit cake.


4 posted on 05/23/2011 9:03:54 PM PDT by calex59
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It was a longer read than I like, but it just got crazier as it went on.


5 posted on 05/23/2011 9:04:43 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (1 Cor. 15:1-4 Believe it!)
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To: calex59

Yes, another Chaz.


6 posted on 05/23/2011 9:05:29 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (1 Cor. 15:1-4 Believe it!)
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To: rightly_dividing

I agree.


7 posted on 05/23/2011 9:07:34 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: GeronL
Amen! His/her genes say whether he/she is a girl (XX) or boy (XY) no matter how the child's CRAZY parents wish to ignore that fact. When Chaz was on Oprah, I kept thinking how disillusioned she was. Her genes say she is a woman no matter how much she alters her external appearance. If she were to stop taking the testosterone, Chastity would return!
8 posted on 05/23/2011 9:11:59 PM PDT by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing;therefore choose life..")
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Idiots. They can’t raise a gender-neutral baby if they know the gender. It’s how the parents (or primary caregivers) treat the baby knowing its gender that would have the most effect on the child’s behavior, not how a neighbor treats the child.

There’s an old child development study were people observed babies (I think probably about 10-12 mos old) who were wearing only a diaper (and no hair ribbons or gender specific hair styles). The researchers expected that the observers wouldn’t be able to tell the gender of the babies at a level greater than chance. However, the observers did remarkably well at correctly determining each child’s gender.


9 posted on 05/23/2011 9:14:39 PM PDT by Kipp
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

10 posted on 05/23/2011 9:23:11 PM PDT by DManA
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To: rightly_dividing
“So it’s a boy, right?” a neighbour calls out as Kathy Witterick walks by, her four month old baby, Storm, strapped to her chest in a carrier. Each week the woman asks the same question about the baby with the squishy cheeks and feathery blond hair. Witterick smiles, opens her arms wide, comments on the sunny spring day, and keeps walking. She’s used to it. The neighbours know Witterick and her husband, David Stocker, are raising a genderless baby. But they don’t pretend to understand it.

It's Pat!
"Even though we've had sex numerous times, I still don't know whether Pat is a man or a woman."

11 posted on 05/23/2011 9:23:42 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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To: Kipp

The baby is a boy.

The parents are morons.


12 posted on 05/23/2011 9:25:33 PM PDT by Salamander (I'm your pain.)
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To: rightly_dividing

Children are little individual human beings, not science experiments created to satisfy some warped desire the parents have to show how liberal and modern they are. This is abusive in the extreme. It’s hard to imagine how any of these children will grow up, but especially the one who is being denied the most basic identity.


13 posted on 05/23/2011 9:29:00 PM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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To: rightly_dividing

These people should be investgigated in my opinion. You notice that they talk in the article about getting their children to keep secrets. And of course that they simply want their children to explore their gender feelings and experiment. How far does there openness and exploration go with their kids?

I remember reading a new age book once that had to do with some left-wing professors theories dealing with inhibitions and how people are capable of things that they dont know. I had bought the book though mostly because it had alot of information about the heart being able to store it’s own memories. Anyway at one point in the book this sicko leftist started saying that he felt parents should explore sexuality with their children or something to that effect. These people seem that type to me.

I also notice that in the article it talks about radical leftists that they have visited in Cuba and in Mexico to learn about revolution.

These are some really sick people. I feel sorry for their children.


14 posted on 05/23/2011 9:31:06 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: brytlea

You are so right.


15 posted on 05/23/2011 9:32:44 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (1 Cor. 15:1-4 Believe it!)
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To: rightly_dividing

I had some hippie friends who tried this to a certain degree, although they didn’t go to this extreme since even they knew it would screw up their kids.

Their first two kids were girls and they raised them to be gender neutral. It seemed to work because they played with the non-violent, non-competitive toys they bought.

Their third child was a boy. He got the same non-violent, non-competitive toys. Dolls were used as guns and wooden blocks became tanks. His first words were, “bang, bang!”

They learned pretty quickly that nature has a strong hand in how boys and girls act.


16 posted on 05/23/2011 9:33:18 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: brytlea

Having been the mother, grandmother, aunt, and babysitter of many boys, I can tell you that boys learn the basics about their gender before they learn to crawl.

They are all very happy to discover the premiere sign, as well. ;-D


17 posted on 05/23/2011 9:35:57 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: rightly_dividing

The baby knows exactly what he is. Eventually He’s going to let his parents know all about it.


18 posted on 05/23/2011 9:36:12 PM PDT by MissMack99 (BO STINKS something rotten!)
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To: rightly_dividing

These people are lying though with their claim to be raising gender neutral children. If you notice in the article the kid calls himself the ‘gender explorer’ and there are references that they are being coached to act this way.

Neutral would imply that the kids are choosing but it is obvious that the parents are manipulating them with this agenda.


19 posted on 05/23/2011 9:36:26 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: rightly_dividing

Sheesh! Even animals impose laws and values
on their offspring. Gender happens. Ignoring
it is child abuse.


20 posted on 05/23/2011 9:45:30 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: rightly_dividing

SNAFU


21 posted on 05/23/2011 9:45:57 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Judith Anne

LOL yeah, I had 3 boys (no girls—I wouldn’t know what to do with girls). I don’t know how you would really raise gender neutral boys, I think parents who try end up pushing the kids the direction they want them, frankly. I know how little boys act, no matter WHAT you do. They act like little boys. I happen to like little boys tho. They are a great deal of fun.


22 posted on 05/23/2011 9:45:59 PM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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To: TheBigIf

Excellent point. If they were being gender neutral the parent would never bring it up, it would never be discussed, and the child would actually be unaware there was a difference in gender for anyone.


23 posted on 05/23/2011 9:47:23 PM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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To: Salamander
Is the baby really a boy? My thought was girl because they didn't seem to mind telling the world their two others were boys. I was thinking some warped “the world is so bad to girls so we will make you genderless” type looney scenario. Which of course would only make a girl feel worthless and that she had been born “wrong”. If the baby is a boy, what are they going to do, tell him it was ok that his brothers are boys but he has no gender?
24 posted on 05/23/2011 9:52:57 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: brytlea

Gender is a joyful thing...”male and female created He them.”

I feel sorry for these children.


25 posted on 05/23/2011 9:58:01 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: brytlea

A couple of excerpts from the article:

“The boys are encouraged to challenge how they’re expected to look and act based on their sex.”

They are encouraged? How?

“Upstairs they co-sleep curled up on two mattresses pushed together on the floor of the master bedroom, under a heap of mismatched pillows and blankets.”

So the parents also sleep together with their gender neutral children??? Is that what this excerpt above is saying here?

They should be investigated.

“Witterick practices unschooling, an offshoot of home-schooling centred on the belief that learning should be driven by a child’s curiosity.”

This reminds me so much of the book I mentioned above. Everything for these people is to be driven by the childs curiousity. Even touching?

These people should be investigated.

Then here are the words of the kid Jazz who calls himself the ‘Gender Explorer”:

“Help girls do boy things. Help boys do girl things. Let your kid be whoever they are!”

How is the kid not being coached? These are his own words at seven that he came up with on his own by simply being given his own choice?

No the kid is being coached. The parents even mention having to teach their kids to keep secrets. These people should be investigated, this reaks of child abuse.


26 posted on 05/23/2011 10:00:12 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf

And of course being that they like to go visit radical communist revolutionaries in Cuba and Mexico they probably have a get away plan just in case they get found out.


27 posted on 05/23/2011 10:03:08 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: rightly_dividing

SUSPICIOUS ...
Upstairs they co-sleep curled up on two mattresses
pushed together on the floor of the master bedroom,
under a heap of mismatched pillows and blankets.
During the day, the kids build forts with the pillows
and pretend to walk a tightrope between the mattresses.

HILARIOUS ...
The fringe movement is growing. An unschooling conference
in Toronto drew dozens of families last fall.

WELL DUH ...
“We spend more time than we should providing explanations
for why we do things this way,”

CREEPY ...
parents should support gender-creative children, which
includes the transgendered, who feel born in the wrong
bodies, and gender hybrids, who feel they are part girl
and part boy. Then there are gender “smoothies,” who have
a blended sense of gender that is purely “them.”


28 posted on 05/23/2011 10:07:02 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Also in the SUSPICIOUS category:

“While she accepts and supports Jazz’s freedom “to be who he is,” she’s concerned about asking two small boys to keep a secret about the baby of the family. “For very young children, just in their brains, they’re not ready to do the kind of sophisticated discernment we do about when a secret is necessary.””

When is a secret nessecary? What secrets? Have you ever heard parents talk this way in regards to children expressing things about gender issues?

These people are sick. Sophisticated discernment is needed to lie about children’s gender?

God I hope that this article prompts someone with the authority to do so to investigatge these people.


29 posted on 05/23/2011 10:21:48 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: rightly_dividing

If these “parents” are going to play that game I would just ask them, “How’s your It doing?” or, “How is Cousin It today?”.


30 posted on 05/23/2011 10:23:11 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: TheBigIf

I’m with you. These people aren’t right and are
victimizing their children with confusing messages.

Why are these parents so obsessed about gender and sex?

They broadcast to their children that they really don’t
care enough about them to teach them right from wrong,
leaving it up to their children to “figure life out”.

I think these parents prove DEVOLUTION.


31 posted on 05/23/2011 10:30:01 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: MacMattico

The baby has a very masculine brow and jaw.

I sure hope it’s a boy.


32 posted on 05/23/2011 10:39:42 PM PDT by Salamander (I'm your pain.)
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To: rightly_dividing

When the boy comes of age he can sue his parents for identity theft.


33 posted on 05/23/2011 10:59:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: MediaMole

my wife gave our son her old baby dolls when he was about 1. he liked them very much! she was thrilled. i just smiled.

about an hour later he had 2 of the dolls on the floor, pushing them around making truck noises. that’s my boy!


34 posted on 05/23/2011 11:17:50 PM PDT by CzarChasm (My opinion. No charge.)
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To: rightly_dividing

There’s only one motivation here. This couple want a son who will live a homosexual lifestyle. Why, of course, that’s so stylish these days and every self-respecting “progressive” couple should be able to tell anyone who will listen, “I’m a proud parent: my son is gay. Just don’t press me on what exactly there is to be proud of.”


35 posted on 05/23/2011 11:21:19 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now (http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm)
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To: TheBigIf; AuH2ORepublican; Clintonfatigued; Impy; darkangel82; BillyBoy; BlackElk; Crichton; ...

What’s remarkable is that these “progressive” parents who admire Stalinist totalitarian regimes and movements don’t comprehend is that when that “revolution” is accomplished, these deranged weirdos are the first to meet with the firing squad, as their “usefulness” for the cause is no longer required. One thing is clear, they are a danger to their children’s well being.


36 posted on 05/23/2011 11:30:49 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: rightly_dividing; Joya

Hideous stupidity ping.


37 posted on 05/23/2011 11:32:19 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: rightly_dividing

I was reading my wife’s Time magazine (don’t ask why) and they had an interview with Chaz. Apparently she only had her breasts removed when she became a “man”. She decided to keep herself a woman from the waist down. Go figure.


38 posted on 05/23/2011 11:37:19 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: rightly_dividing
Humans are social creatures. Creating and projecting a persona socially are part of the development process, and the desire for acceptance within and beyond one's family are basic human needs that aren't part of a game or experiment. These parents are not only extremely selfish, but they're almost certainly mentally ill; they deserve pity and treatment almost as much as scorn.

The most pathetic aspect of this is that their sense of self-satisfaction and sanctimony is so pathological that they're incapable of comprehending that ALL of their children are being damaged, possibly destroyed.

39 posted on 05/23/2011 11:37:32 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: MediaMole
I have a friend who raised three boys. She wasn't going to give them toy guns to play with.

One morning she left the two older ones at the breakfast table for a minute or two. When she came back, she found they had eaten their toast into gun shapes and were pointing them at each other and going "BANG!"

They got their toy guns.

40 posted on 05/24/2011 12:05:35 AM PDT by susannah59
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To: rightly_dividing

Gotta ping tomorrow.


41 posted on 05/24/2011 12:06:49 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: rightly_dividing
Stocker teaches at City View Alternative, a tiny school west of Dufferin Grove Park, with four teachers and about 60 Grade 7 and 8 students whose lessons are framed by social-justice issues around class, race and gender.

And these people teach other people's children.

42 posted on 05/24/2011 2:45:19 AM PDT by livius
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Poor kid is gonna have lots of fun in school. And HE’s gonna feel real good when he’s old to enough to wonder why his brothers get to be treated normally and he doesn’t.

These kinds of pigs are the type to complain about overpopulation. So why can’t they just use birth control?

The only “genderless” one is the father of this family cause he’s sure not a man.

Honestly if I were dictator I’d have to seriously considering taking all the kids away. Even letting a couple lesbians adopt them would probably be better.


43 posted on 05/24/2011 2:46:23 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: TheBigIf

This was a very depressing article, including the dreary part that described how the kids slept on a couple of mattresses on the floor, covered with heaps of clothing and
“mismatched blankets.” And look at the hair of the older kid shown in the picture: it obviously hasn’t been combed or probably washed for ages.

In other words, the kids are living in squalor. It takes me back to the 70s, when all the hippie kids fell asleep at school because they had been awake all night while mommy and daddy were smoking dope and having sex next to them on the common mattress. And they also had impetigo and were infested with lice.

As for the two children that this family has announced to be boys, they seem to wear dresses most of the time and are generally assumed to be girls. So I’d say they’re raising not one but three future serial killers.


44 posted on 05/24/2011 2:52:01 AM PDT by livius
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

There is no such thing as physical gender. It’s a grammatical category. People are sexed, not “gendered.” The whole notion of “gender” as opposed to sex is an invention of radicals, based on their argument that maleness and femaleness are social constructs and not biological realities.


45 posted on 05/24/2011 3:03:46 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: livius

Other people pay them to teach their children. Lunacy can be quite marketable ... look at Al Gore. Well, consider Al Gore philosophically, without actually looking at him, if you don’t want to lose your breakfast.


46 posted on 05/24/2011 4:51:49 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Just what this family needs: more smugness.)
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To: Impy

It used to be that neighbors wanted to know how to play matchmaker. [That’s why knowing the gender is traditionally so significant.] Now that’s virtually forbidden. Only skulls full of mush know what is right and wrong when it comes to choosing wed-LOCK. If someone older and wiser offers an opinion, the opposite is more likely to happen.


47 posted on 05/24/2011 5:08:35 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: rightly_dividing

I had a friend who raised his little girl like she was a boy. She was knocked up at 15, the boy’s found out what she was really fast.

When boys discover their testicles and a girl is among them, the difference will come out rapidly.


48 posted on 05/24/2011 5:16:35 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Jo Nuvark

I thought the word gender-creative was interesting. It suggests not “born that way” but “decided upon”.


49 posted on 05/24/2011 5:34:28 AM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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To: rightly_dividing

Nuke California. Burn off America’s cancer.


50 posted on 05/24/2011 5:34:51 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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