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Put the Phosphate Back into your Dish detergent
Self | 6/26/2011 | Self

Posted on 06/26/2011 12:13:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

As many of you have discovered, you automatic dish detergent hasn't been working very well for the past year, leaving a white film on the dishes. Well, the reason, as usual, is the envirowhackos using junk science to claim that algae blooms in rivers are caused by the phosphates in your dish detergent. The phosphates in detergent do NOT cause the algae to bloom because the algae can't break down the trisodium phosphates. So, instead of check out the facts, the detergent companies were more interested in currying favor with the envirowhackos.

Well, there isn't much way to get them to change their mind, especially since it is actually cheaper for them to make phosphate free detergent (never mind it doesn't work), but you CAN replace the phosphates in your detergent. Just go to the cleaner section of your local hardware store and look for Trisodium Phosphate. Home Depot and Lowes both carry it. Just add about a teaspoon to every load and you will get your dishes clean again. This is the cheapest method.

You can also buy Cascade with phosphates from places that sell commercial grade cleaners. Restockit.com is one place. I am sure there are others if you search.


TOPICS: Food; Science; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: dishdetergent; junkscuence; phosphates; trisodiumphosphate; tsp
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I hate the way the companies bow to the envirowhackos so here is a way to get around the morons.
1 posted on 06/26/2011 12:13:16 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I heard that you can put this in your laundry also to make a dramatic difference but I don’t know how much per load is recommended.


2 posted on 06/26/2011 12:16:50 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Blood of Tyrants

That is why the Dish Washer no longer cleans your dishes!!! “”No Phosphorous”” We need to roll back Obama Care, New Light bulb law and this!!!!


3 posted on 06/26/2011 12:17:00 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Now what do I buy to make my curly lightbulbs round??


4 posted on 06/26/2011 12:18:02 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Make certain that it is REAL tri-sodium phosphate, not the phosphorus free substitute.


5 posted on 06/26/2011 12:19:56 PM PDT by reg45
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You can buy trisodium phosphate from Lowes as well for about $10 a 4 lb box. Does a great job on the clothes. About a tablespoon and a half a load.


6 posted on 06/26/2011 12:20:32 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Thanks for the website.


7 posted on 06/26/2011 12:21:38 PM PDT by republicangel
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Beware that the big box hardware stores are now selling "phosphate free" TSP. Read the box carefully!

Half a teaspoon of caustic soda in each dishwasher load works even better! It is available at brewers supply stores.

8 posted on 06/26/2011 12:21:51 PM PDT by Species8472 (There is no distinctly native American criminal class...save Congress)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Here in Tampa they just passed a law about how homeowners are no longer allowed to have phosphates in fertilizer.

I think this is quite funny because Tampa is one of the largest producers of phosphates in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_Valley


9 posted on 06/26/2011 12:21:51 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Box looks like this:


10 posted on 06/26/2011 12:22:16 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Free Vulcan
Do you think that would work if you through it the auto dishwasher?
Personally I am so sick of cleaning products that don't clean. I though it was just me, I really was beginning to think I had imagined clean bathrooms, clean dishes and clothes in the past.
11 posted on 06/26/2011 12:24:21 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: svcw

Yes. About a teaspoon or so. I’ve heard borax and the above poster said caustic soda will work too.


12 posted on 06/26/2011 12:26:08 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Species8472

Being a dolt here - caustic soda?


13 posted on 06/26/2011 12:26:13 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yeah, but don’t you just feel good about yourself when you use phosphate free detergent? Kinda feeds your need for feelings of moral superiority. (sarc)


14 posted on 06/26/2011 12:26:35 PM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: Avid Coug

Was going to start being my clothes on a rock to get them clean. Might just be easier to beat an enviro whacko.


15 posted on 06/26/2011 12:28:02 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberals who graduate from Ivy League schools are the dumbest people on the planet.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Any time we are in Big Lots, Ollies, or the like I check out the detergent section.
You can still find some old stock around.
We’ve stocked up of the ‘original’.

One caveat. Shake the box, make sure it’s not clotted up.


16 posted on 06/26/2011 12:29:47 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Blood of Tyrants; All
One addition to your advice. Avoid anything that says "Trisodium Phosphate PF."

It's some kind of environmentally friendly substitute. the PF means "Phosphate Free."

17 posted on 06/26/2011 12:35:17 PM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: Siena Dreaming
I heard that you can put this in your laundry also to make a dramatic difference but I don’t know how much per load is recommended.

I use a tablespoon full in each load and it works wonders.

Our washer started to smell moldy and we would have to leave the lid up to no avail. Since I started using real TSP in the wash both the washer and our clothes smell nice and clean again and the clothes look much better. Our dishes get clean like they used too since I put a teaspoon in with the soap.

18 posted on 06/26/2011 12:35:40 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Free Vulcan; svcw; Blood of Tyrants; EQAndyBuzz

thanks to Blood of Tyrants for posting this,
and for Free Vulcan for the photo.

(i don’t remember if he put the photo on a similar link,
a few weeks ago, to help people avoid the boxes of TSP,
that are “TSP free”.)

but, i’m a single Dad with full custody. and this HELPS!

as others here said, just half a spoon in dishwasher,
full spoon in washer.
my white shirts are the cleanest they’ve been in a long time.

thanks again, and i hope others here try it.
(just duck when the phospate police are around...)


19 posted on 06/26/2011 12:35:59 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

intersting tip, thanks


20 posted on 06/26/2011 12:36:32 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: Free Vulcan

“tablespoon & 1/2 per clothes load”

...about how much per dishwasher load?


21 posted on 06/26/2011 12:38:25 PM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: DaxtonBrown

interesting tip,

My typos just drive me insane


22 posted on 06/26/2011 12:39:39 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: Free Vulcan
You can buy trisodium phosphate from Lowes as well for about $10 a 4 lb box.

In our local Lowes the fake TSP is in an orange or yellow box, on the eye-level shelf. The real TSP is in the red box, and up on the highest shelf, where you have to get a clerk to go up the ladder to get it. I bought all 4 boxes they had on the shelf.

I also buy my dishwasher detergent at a janitorial supply. "Professionals" are exempt from the no-phosphate policy. Full phosphate Cascade is readily available at janitorial and/or restaurant supply stores.

23 posted on 06/26/2011 12:40:57 PM PDT by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: svcw

Better known as lye, worse known as sodium hydroxide; it’s been used from old time to do laundry. I suppose there are things to be careful of, and it may eventually corrode the fibers of clothing, but very sure it works.


24 posted on 06/26/2011 12:41:51 PM PDT by Moose Burger
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To: Elendur
Good point. Note that Savogran makes the phosphate free stuff too. I've noticed Menards only carries the phos free stuff. The box is green so they're easily distingushable. Here's a pic:


25 posted on 06/26/2011 12:45:05 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Mrs.Z
I've been advocating this for some time. Often send friends and family members home with as small baggie full to test.

1/4 teaspoon of TSP added to neutered Cascade works wonders in my dishwasher.

Not only cleans the dishes but cleans the dishwasher! One of the first things friends and family noticed while helping to clean up after a dinner party. "How do you keep your dishwasher so clean?"

Just a dash of the magic powder....

26 posted on 06/26/2011 12:45:45 PM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: Mrs.Z

Teaspoon for normal, half that if they’re not terribly dirty.


27 posted on 06/26/2011 12:46:47 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Thanks! I was wondering what was wrong with my dishwasher! :(


28 posted on 06/26/2011 12:48:26 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Thanks.


29 posted on 06/26/2011 12:48:59 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Thanks for the info....stay safe !


30 posted on 06/26/2011 12:51:04 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Moose Burger

Oh, lye, makes sense that is what was use in the olden days to make soap. My neighbor swears by some stuff she calls “blueing”. I am going to try some of the suggestions here.
Thats for the info.


31 posted on 06/26/2011 12:51:16 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

There are folks on ebay selling phosphate-laden dishwasher detergent.


32 posted on 06/26/2011 12:51:16 PM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

We deliberately bought detergent without phosphates because they created a white crust in the old dishwasher.

We use the packets in the new one, don’t know how much phosphate is in them.


33 posted on 06/26/2011 12:54:52 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Can I just mix in the TP in the Detergent box?.....How much?


34 posted on 06/26/2011 12:55:59 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Bttt


35 posted on 06/26/2011 12:59:08 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: Free Vulcan

Is Borax the same thing?


36 posted on 06/26/2011 1:01:32 PM PDT by parisa
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To: OldMissileer

You know, I was wondering what the deal was. I could have sworn in years past I never had a problem with clothes not smelling clean, regardless of fabric softener.
I have to think they don’t care too much that the laundry detergent doesn’t work too well. They make a lot of money selling pre-treaters and stain removers and other additives.


37 posted on 06/26/2011 1:02:04 PM PDT by visualops (Proud Air Force Mom)
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To: parisa

No, it’s a boron compound I think. Definitely not phosphate though.


38 posted on 06/26/2011 1:03:55 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: svcw
Caustic soda, NaOH, is also known as lye and chemically is known as sodium hydroxide. Lye, in various forms and preparations, has been used for centuries as a cleaning agent. Think "Beverly Hillbillies" and Granny's lye soap, for a whimsical instance.

However, given the composition of some modern fabrics (polyesters, for example), check with your local dry cleaner BEFORE attempting to use lye in a washer. Might want to check with the washer manufacturer, too, to learn the correct amount to use per load.

39 posted on 06/26/2011 1:05:49 PM PDT by SAJ (Zerobama -- a phony and a prick, therefore a dildo)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I hear that NIOSH has banned the new Diesel engines for underground work and confined spaces. Nice work EPA/s/s
40 posted on 06/26/2011 1:06:53 PM PDT by mountainlion (The time to be on guard against tyranny is before it has gotten you Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mrs.Z

Yes TSP works great in the dishwasher, but it’s gritty & really hard on clothes.

“STPP”, Sodium Tripolyphosphate, is what you need to use for your washer. Unfortunately I don’t know where you can cost-effectively buy it. It’s the phosphate form being phased out of our laundry detergent.

It’s amazing the bad rap phosphates are getting. Phosphates are essential to all plant & animal life.


41 posted on 06/26/2011 1:10:50 PM PDT by fred42 ("Get your facts first, then you can distort 'em as much as you need." - Mark Twain)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Why does the TSP box say it should NOT be used on glass or come in contact with glass??? It also says it turns aluminum containers dark as well.


42 posted on 06/26/2011 1:11:34 PM PDT by almost done by half
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To: Dallas59

Probably. The old stuff with phosphates was supposed to have about 20%, so figure 1 part TSP to 4 parts dish detergent.


43 posted on 06/26/2011 1:14:42 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: parisa
Borax, known chemically as sodium borate (sometimes called sodium tetraborate), formula

Na2(B4O7)•10(H2O)

, has water softening, cleansing and disinfectant properties, but is not chemically related to any other substance discussed in this thread.

44 posted on 06/26/2011 1:15:38 PM PDT by SAJ (Zerobama -- a phony and a prick, therefore a dildo)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Just go to the cleaner section of your local hardware store and look for Trisodium Phosphate. Home Depot and Lowes both carry it.

And how much longer do you think the EPA will allow that?

The imperial government must be obeyed, or peasants must die.

45 posted on 06/26/2011 1:17:25 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I was considering this...but on the side of the TSP package it said to avoid using on glass??

Just use in a low concentration???


46 posted on 06/26/2011 1:17:46 PM PDT by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: svcw

Lye is also used for making soap

I was reading about it, and it is apparently the water that you might think you would get if you dunked wood ashes in a burlap sack into a barrel of water, like a tea bag

You can make your own


47 posted on 06/26/2011 1:20:34 PM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: almost done by half

It might etch glass in the higher concentrations that are on the box.


48 posted on 06/26/2011 1:21:04 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The EPA didn’t ban it in dish detergent. It was done voluntarily so that they could get brownie points from the envirowhackos.


49 posted on 06/26/2011 1:23:29 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Thanks, that is what I was thinking since it is sold as a siding and deck cleaner.


50 posted on 06/26/2011 1:23:42 PM PDT by almost done by half
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