Skip to comments.Put the Phosphate Back into your Dish detergent
Posted on 06/26/2011 12:13:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
As many of you have discovered, you automatic dish detergent hasn't been working very well for the past year, leaving a white film on the dishes. Well, the reason, as usual, is the envirowhackos using junk science to claim that algae blooms in rivers are caused by the phosphates in your dish detergent. The phosphates in detergent do NOT cause the algae to bloom because the algae can't break down the trisodium phosphates. So, instead of check out the facts, the detergent companies were more interested in currying favor with the envirowhackos.
Well, there isn't much way to get them to change their mind, especially since it is actually cheaper for them to make phosphate free detergent (never mind it doesn't work), but you CAN replace the phosphates in your detergent. Just go to the cleaner section of your local hardware store and look for Trisodium Phosphate. Home Depot and Lowes both carry it. Just add about a teaspoon to every load and you will get your dishes clean again. This is the cheapest method.
You can also buy Cascade with phosphates from places that sell commercial grade cleaners. Restockit.com is one place. I am sure there are others if you search.
I heard that you can put this in your laundry also to make a dramatic difference but I don’t know how much per load is recommended.
That is why the Dish Washer no longer cleans your dishes!!! “”No Phosphorous”” We need to roll back Obama Care, New Light bulb law and this!!!!
Now what do I buy to make my curly lightbulbs round??
Make certain that it is REAL tri-sodium phosphate, not the phosphorus free substitute.
You can buy trisodium phosphate from Lowes as well for about $10 a 4 lb box. Does a great job on the clothes. About a tablespoon and a half a load.
Thanks for the website.
Half a teaspoon of caustic soda in each dishwasher load works even better! It is available at brewers supply stores.
Here in Tampa they just passed a law about how homeowners are no longer allowed to have phosphates in fertilizer.
I think this is quite funny because Tampa is one of the largest producers of phosphates in the world.
Yes. About a teaspoon or so. I’ve heard borax and the above poster said caustic soda will work too.
Being a dolt here - caustic soda?
Yeah, but don’t you just feel good about yourself when you use phosphate free detergent? Kinda feeds your need for feelings of moral superiority. (sarc)
Was going to start being my clothes on a rock to get them clean. Might just be easier to beat an enviro whacko.
Any time we are in Big Lots, Ollies, or the like I check out the detergent section.
You can still find some old stock around.
We’ve stocked up of the ‘original’.
One caveat. Shake the box, make sure it’s not clotted up.
It's some kind of environmentally friendly substitute. the PF means "Phosphate Free."
I use a tablespoon full in each load and it works wonders.
Our washer started to smell moldy and we would have to leave the lid up to no avail. Since I started using real TSP in the wash both the washer and our clothes smell nice and clean again and the clothes look much better. Our dishes get clean like they used too since I put a teaspoon in with the soap.
thanks to Blood of Tyrants for posting this,
and for Free Vulcan for the photo.
(i don’t remember if he put the photo on a similar link,
a few weeks ago, to help people avoid the boxes of TSP,
that are “TSP free”.)
but, i’m a single Dad with full custody. and this HELPS!
as others here said, just half a spoon in dishwasher,
full spoon in washer.
my white shirts are the cleanest they’ve been in a long time.
thanks again, and i hope others here try it.
(just duck when the phospate police are around...)
intersting tip, thanks
“tablespoon & 1/2 per clothes load”
...about how much per dishwasher load?
My typos just drive me insane
In our local Lowes the fake TSP is in an orange or yellow box, on the eye-level shelf. The real TSP is in the red box, and up on the highest shelf, where you have to get a clerk to go up the ladder to get it. I bought all 4 boxes they had on the shelf.
I also buy my dishwasher detergent at a janitorial supply. "Professionals" are exempt from the no-phosphate policy. Full phosphate Cascade is readily available at janitorial and/or restaurant supply stores.
Better known as lye, worse known as sodium hydroxide; it’s been used from old time to do laundry. I suppose there are things to be careful of, and it may eventually corrode the fibers of clothing, but very sure it works.
1/4 teaspoon of TSP added to neutered Cascade works wonders in my dishwasher.
Not only cleans the dishes but cleans the dishwasher! One of the first things friends and family noticed while helping to clean up after a dinner party. "How do you keep your dishwasher so clean?"
Just a dash of the magic powder....
Teaspoon for normal, half that if they’re not terribly dirty.
Thanks! I was wondering what was wrong with my dishwasher! :(
Thanks for the info....stay safe !
Oh, lye, makes sense that is what was use in the olden days to make soap. My neighbor swears by some stuff she calls “blueing”. I am going to try some of the suggestions here.
Thats for the info.
There are folks on ebay selling phosphate-laden dishwasher detergent.
We deliberately bought detergent without phosphates because they created a white crust in the old dishwasher.
We use the packets in the new one, don’t know how much phosphate is in them.
Can I just mix in the TP in the Detergent box?.....How much?
Is Borax the same thing?
You know, I was wondering what the deal was. I could have sworn in years past I never had a problem with clothes not smelling clean, regardless of fabric softener.
I have to think they don’t care too much that the laundry detergent doesn’t work too well. They make a lot of money selling pre-treaters and stain removers and other additives.
No, it’s a boron compound I think. Definitely not phosphate though.
However, given the composition of some modern fabrics (polyesters, for example), check with your local dry cleaner BEFORE attempting to use lye in a washer. Might want to check with the washer manufacturer, too, to learn the correct amount to use per load.
Yes TSP works great in the dishwasher, but it’s gritty & really hard on clothes.
“STPP”, Sodium Tripolyphosphate, is what you need to use for your washer. Unfortunately I don’t know where you can cost-effectively buy it. It’s the phosphate form being phased out of our laundry detergent.
It’s amazing the bad rap phosphates are getting. Phosphates are essential to all plant & animal life.
Why does the TSP box say it should NOT be used on glass or come in contact with glass??? It also says it turns aluminum containers dark as well.
Probably. The old stuff with phosphates was supposed to have about 20%, so figure 1 part TSP to 4 parts dish detergent.
, has water softening, cleansing and disinfectant properties, but is not chemically related to any other substance discussed in this thread.
And how much longer do you think the EPA will allow that?
The imperial government must be obeyed, or peasants must die.
I was considering this...but on the side of the TSP package it said to avoid using on glass??
Just use in a low concentration???
Lye is also used for making soap
I was reading about it, and it is apparently the water that you might think you would get if you dunked wood ashes in a burlap sack into a barrel of water, like a tea bag
You can make your own
It might etch glass in the higher concentrations that are on the box.
The EPA didn’t ban it in dish detergent. It was done voluntarily so that they could get brownie points from the envirowhackos.
Thanks, that is what I was thinking since it is sold as a siding and deck cleaner.