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Didn't get the job? Blame 'lookism', as discrimination against the ugly 'is the new racism'
The Daily Mail (UK) ^ | September 5, 2011 | Luke Salkeld

Posted on 09/06/2011 7:11:34 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Some might consider it an ugly truth that attractive people are often more successful than those less blessed with looks.

But now our appearance is emerging in legal disputes as a new kind of discrimination.

‘Lookism’, it is claimed, is the new racism, and should be banished from civilised societies.

It is currently the subject of several court actions in America, and some experts say similar cases should be considered here too.

Economist Daniel Hamermesh argues that ugliness is no different from race or a disability, and suggests unattractive people deserve legal protection.

‘My research shows being good-looking helps you earn more money, find a higher-earning spouse and even get better deals on mortgages,’ he said.

‘Some people are born ugly and there’s not much they can do about it. You’re pretty much stuck with your looks.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: danielhamermesh; discrimination; hiring; lookism; looksism
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1 posted on 09/06/2011 7:11:42 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is going to get ugly...


2 posted on 09/06/2011 7:12:54 AM PDT by refermech
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Like Rush said, they must be pretty certain that there are a lot more ugly democrats than republicans, otherwise, they wouldn’t be considering such a law.


3 posted on 09/06/2011 7:14:06 AM PDT by MNDude (Congratulations Jimmy Carter, you are no longer the worst President in History!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Well, that applies to 99.9% of libtards.


4 posted on 09/06/2011 7:14:52 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Mr. Weiner...Don' t Tweet your meat. It's too late to delete!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

You knew this was coming.

Finally, this is recognized! As a tortured kid I can appreciate this (and I was not at all fat - more commonly recognized form of discrimination than ugliness - we get no respect!). ;-)

Anyway, I think the bottom line is anyone should be allowed to discriminate any way they wish. Yes, I said that, and meant it fully. Get rid of ALL “discrimination” laws.


5 posted on 09/06/2011 7:16:41 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

But Algore told me I’m racist against Man-Made Global Warming.


6 posted on 09/06/2011 7:16:51 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

That’s why they have government and university jobs.

So the crude, the mad and the ugly can pretend to support themselves.


7 posted on 09/06/2011 7:23:01 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is simply a reality of life.

Every watch the reporters on local TV, or FoxNEWS? Is it really just random chance that every single one of the major network anchors is extremely attractive? Can anyone name an unattractive news anchor on Fox, or any other major network?

Ugly people, tend to know they are unattractive - and knowing so, they do not pursue a career in which their success is measured by how they look; but rather by what they can do. Hence the phrase “A face just made for radio”.


8 posted on 09/06/2011 7:24:09 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Dancing With The Stars covered their ass and hired the ugliest, fattest woman that looks like a man they could find.


9 posted on 09/06/2011 7:24:21 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
not so. I had to hire someone, only interviewed 2 women (it was before the crash) one was a 10 and the other a 1. As it turns out the most qualified was the 1, and she got the job. We were also sure that she wouldn't fall prey to charms of all the boytoys she had to deal with in the course of her work.

Furthermore it was clear the 10 only brought her "mojo" to the interview (and it was powerful, I admit) while the 1 brought herself and her experience; she served the company faithfully for another 5 years or so before she and her hus. moved to FL.

10 posted on 09/06/2011 7:24:35 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (non-union thug.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s true anyways. In my biz, Hollywood, it’s the norm. That’s the question that every human resource director gets asked, as 2 of my friends are in HR. If u are good-looking, you will get ahead in life. If you look like Rosie O Donnell, the odds are against you. Ever since college, all my GF’s would tell me they don’t go to any cosmetic dept if the woman behind the counter isn’t pretty. They are a projection of the beauty product.


11 posted on 09/06/2011 7:25:54 AM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ugly only gets you a job if you're liberal....

12 posted on 09/06/2011 7:27:59 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I've read that many symphony tryouts are "blined"...

To try to guard against potential biases like gender and race — or being a friend, or foe, of one of the judges — in the first rounds of tryouts, players perform the music behind the screen. It's meant to ensure the most talented players win the audition, not necessarily the most attractive or those who can pull strings.

13 posted on 09/06/2011 7:29:03 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Look.

If you’re looking for someone to blame, it means you didn’t get the job because you’ve got a selfish entitlement mentality.


14 posted on 09/06/2011 7:29:10 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

“blind”, not “blined”, dangit


15 posted on 09/06/2011 7:30:04 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Back in the early 90s, I was part owner of a now long-defunct financial services firm.

One of my responsibilities was to hire an in-house attorney, who would report directly to me.

One of the candidates was a breath-takingly gorgeous woman.

I made the decision not to hire this woman for the sole reason that I found her extremely attractive and I knew that would be an intolerable distraction for me, especially since I had a steady girlfriend (whom I subsequently married, and am now in the process of amicably divorcing, alas — but that’s a different story).

Anyway, that was a case where the best looking candidate didn’t get the job precisely because of her looks (and brains and charm).

So I guess looks aren’t always an advantage.


16 posted on 09/06/2011 7:31:19 AM PDT by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)
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To: Fightin Whitey
That’s why they have government and university jobs.

So the crude, the mad and the ugly can pretend to support themselves.

I always thought it was so they could get even with everybody else.
The only cure for ugly is POWER.

17 posted on 09/06/2011 7:36:28 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Santelli is the real leader of the tea party.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
or those who can pull strings.

Let's see. In a symphony tryout, you either pull strings, blow, or fiddle around. Unless you are a beater.

18 posted on 09/06/2011 7:36:41 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

—Anyway, I think the bottom line is anyone should be allowed to discriminate any way they wish. Yes, I said that, and meant it fully. Get rid of ALL “discrimination” laws.—

I see it the same way. People don’t realize that the segregation of the south was going away on its own before the government started passing laws. I don’t mean the stuff that was already illegal, like lynching, etc., rather, the whites only and “coloreds only” stuff. And if it had died of natural causes it would have been much more empowering to the negroes that it affected.

When the government “did it for them”, contrary to the constitution, it created a dependent class - a class dependent on the government to solve their problems.

Is it “fair”. Probably not. But then, “fair” is a word that is almost missing from the Bible. The term is just way too subjective. Besides, I’d rather be poor and in control of my life than rich (or living off welfare) but be dependent on “the man” for all my income and opportunity.

Gee, that sounds a little like slavery, come to think of it.


19 posted on 09/06/2011 7:40:53 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This is just the beginning.

Next: IQ-ism.

It's not your fault you aren't smart enough for medical school, engineering, or the law, and it's discriminatory for employers and universities to hold you back based solely on your intelligence!

20 posted on 09/06/2011 7:45:54 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (In last year's nests, there are no birds this year.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

So does the same old, same old apply? i.e. Women and minorities hardest hit.

I know that feminists are adversely affected.


21 posted on 09/06/2011 7:46:33 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

In a way, I almost WANT our culture to collapse so it will have lost its power to micro-manage us.

This whole “discovery” is nothing of the sort. I’ve known about it since I was a kid. It is how life works. People choose to befriend, like, dislike, hire, and do business with people for all sorts of superficial reasons. It is how humans work. Women are seen as women first, and humans second, as are men. Young people are seen as young people first, and people second. Old people, black people, fat people, ugly people, disabled people (and any combination thereof) are seen as that attribute first, and “people” second.

It is not only how humans “roll”, but it is something the constitution protects (freedom of association). Is it unfair? There’s that word again. It is pretty meaningless because life is unfair if it is anything. But we all play the cards God gave us because this life is a very, VERY temporary thing. It’s not what you have that counts. It’s what you do with it.

The only time the word “fair” has any meaning is when the Bible tells judges to judge “fairly”. And I believe that is the only context in which it is ever used in the bible. “Fair” is just way too subjective. We are all treated unfairly in one way or another on a daily, if not hourly basis.

These “utopians” need to get over it. They are like a bunch of kids that discovered how the world works and don’t like it one bit. They’ll have to change human beings to make it stick, and I believe the eugenics thing died a horrible death with the defeat of the Nazis.

We are as God made us and will be until the day of Christ’s return. So lets play fair. :)


22 posted on 09/06/2011 7:49:53 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: ConservativeWarrior

it’s the Marxists goal to make everything illegal. Not because they intend to prosecute everything, but so they have the option to prosecute whomever they wish, whenever they wish.


23 posted on 09/06/2011 7:53:10 AM PDT by MNDude (Congratulations Jimmy Carter, you are no longer the worst President in History!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I telecommute. I work with people who telecommute. I have never seen 99% of my coworkers, or of the trainees I’m coaching. Some of them still try to claim discrimination when I give them warnings about their attendance or job performance.


24 posted on 09/06/2011 7:57:31 AM PDT by Ellendra (God feeds the birds of the air, but he doesn't throw it in their nests.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Equal rights for Uglo-Americans!


25 posted on 09/06/2011 7:58:41 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Good looks can bring more bucks to a business. A pretty barmaid for example will surely attract more customers than a Helen Thomas lookalike.


26 posted on 09/06/2011 8:12:10 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

a new method to discriminate against middle class, professionals, and the rich.


27 posted on 09/06/2011 8:13:33 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: oldbrowser
I always thought it was so they could get even with everybody else. The only cure for ugly is POWER.

Very interesting! Explains what we see with the union thug parades, the dem rallys, dem convention . . interesting. Compare with a Tea Party rally or the republican convention, etc. . The 'cleanup' afterwards, etc.

28 posted on 09/06/2011 8:17:40 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Last new job I got required 2 interviews - both by phone.

My new boss had no idea what I looked like.


29 posted on 09/06/2011 8:21:47 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: ETL

Your comment is a real hoot.


30 posted on 09/06/2011 8:35:37 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: max americana

i think that appearance is judged because it’s (an inaccurate) subconscious gauge of health.

If one really analyses what makes a person attractive, it’s a good body weight, muscle tone (connotates activity and energy), clear skin (lack of infection, organs functioning properly), good teeth, shiny hair, etc.

An ugly person will be asymmetrical (something went wrong during development), have dull or thin hair (hormones and/or nutrition are off), have bad skin (organs not functioning properly), be overweight (too sick to move properly) or underweight (not an effective hunter), have poor posture (bad bones or muscles), etc.

I think that people are naturally drawn to good health and naturally steer away from signs of disease.

The best remedy is to take care of yourself as best as you can. A healthy person that isn’t necessarily attractive can become attractive with good health. (Arnold Schwarzenegger comes to mind.)


31 posted on 09/06/2011 8:36:11 AM PDT by Marie (I agree with everything that Rick Perry is saying. I just wish that *he* did. (NO to Bush II))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Economist Daniel Hamermesh argues that ugliness is no different from race or a disability, and suggests unattractive people deserve legal protection.

This is a version of the "equality of opportunity" doctrine.On this basis, libtards feel free to advocate enlarging the power and size of big government to achieve the confiscation of inheritances, public education through the postgraduate level, and laws preventing private discrimination of the basis not only of such factors as race, religion or national origin, but also age, medical condition, and physical handicap.

What they evade is that one's destiny depends one's free will and the choices he makes, and that the right choices can overcome any disadvantages he may have due to nature or nurture.

32 posted on 09/06/2011 9:05:27 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Lookism seems to be slipping on television commercials. I see guys with shaggy unkempt hair hanging over their ears and a nasty looking unshaven mug try to sell me.

And the dress? One slobster had a sweater that was too small and his shirt tail and sleeves were hanging out. He looked like a blind drunk dressed him. Or it might be the guy is wearing one of those shapeless hooded sweat shirts and some sort of knit hat pulled down over his ears with strands of hair sticking out.

What is this? The slobification of the country?

33 posted on 09/06/2011 9:20:21 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“a new kind of discrimination”

Not new. Newly badmouthed, yes. Describing it as such reminds me of someone saying of the olden days (and I paraphrase) “That was back when racism wasn’t bad.” Fuzzy thinking, that.

By the way, discrimination is not bad persay. Ever heard of “discriminating taste”? Faddish opposition to “lookism,” in addition to the false parallel to racism (which shouldn’t be forbidden either, in my opinion, but that’s another matter), is based on the idea that it’s irrational, and futhermore just plain wrong. Well, it’s not irrational. It’s good sense. There are actual benefits to employing, befriending, romancing, and otherwise associating with attractive people.

Shut up, rabble rousers.


34 posted on 09/06/2011 9:27:28 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“Some people are born ugly and there’s not much they can do about it.”

So what? Some people are born short, slow, blind, deaf, and stupid. Does that somehow mean people must be forced to turn their brains off and deal with them as if they were Generic Human?


35 posted on 09/06/2011 9:29:21 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Hodar

“Is it really just random chance that every single one of the major network anchors is extremely attractive?”

I think the argument is not that Fox News is being irrational. Of course we know the cast hot babes for the sake of ratings. The problem is that the ratings are based on the audience’s irrational desire to see attractive people. Like how the owner of a diner could have refused to hire blacks because his white customers wouldn’t want to be served by them. It’s a stupid argument, I know, but so it goes.

For the record, I say whites should be able to refuse to hire blacks all they want. It’s their property. If it is, that is; if it’s not it’s another argument. Discrimination didn’t seem to permanently hurt Jews, Italians, Irish, Germans, various Asians, etc. And legally enforced color-blind non-discrimination has been a documented and notorious failure as regards the heavily “underclassed” blacks. So much so that large underground rivers of racism are theorized to persist, despite the inarguable decline of liminal racism.

Hell of a lot of good (non-governmental) anti-discrimination has done us, even assuming it’s right.


36 posted on 09/06/2011 9:39:27 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Being ugly isn’t always a liability, because ugly people are naturally smarter than pretty people.

For example, ask a beautiful woman what the world is like, and she’ll tell you the whole world is full of opportunities, adventure, and wonderful people that would do anything for her. Then at about 35 her whole reality starts to take a little shift.

Ugly people come out of the womb knowing the world is populated by a**holes. They can hide or they can overcome, but rose colored glasses have they none.


37 posted on 09/06/2011 9:42:45 AM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Some people are born homely but appear attractive; ugliness is self-generated, like character.


38 posted on 09/06/2011 9:43:43 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

“It’s meant to ensure the most talented players win the audition, not necessarily the most attractive or those who can pull strings.”

I can understand this if it’s a symphony meant solely for recording, but are these musicians expected to play in front of audiences? If so, then why not allow yourself to be “biased”? Not that it should be the only criteria, but it would be stupid to divorce the age old marriage between attractiveness and the performing arts just because ugly people (most often commedians) can be successful.

Then again, you said it was only for the first round. Still, it seems like a long way to go to avoid a very useful bias. I’ll bet it was motivated by some misguided abstract principles rather than any noticeable lack of talent.


39 posted on 09/06/2011 9:47:09 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: tarotsailor

“because ugly people are naturally smarter than pretty people”

Depends on what you mean by “smart.” Shaper perhaps, and definitely better educated. But I’d assume inborn intelligence is equally divided amongst the ugly and beautiful.


40 posted on 09/06/2011 9:48:55 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: tarotsailor

“ask a beautiful woman what the world is like, and she’ll tell you the whole world is full of opportunities, adventure, and wonderful people that would do anything for her...Ugly people come out of the womb knowing the world is populated by a**holes”

Here’s the rub, though. The world actually is the way the beautiful woman describes it, for her. Both generalize from their own experience. You may say the latter is more accurate for humanity as a whole. In that case you’d say the ugly skew reality less. Is that a good thing? You’d think it’d help people avoid being suckers, but some of the least socially adept people I’ve ever encountered have been bitter cynics.

Bad experience, despite the press, does not necessarily make you wiser. Most of mankind’s great geniuses have come, if not from the highest echelons, at least the comfortable lower aristocracy and middle class. Same as how most of the smart people come from the rich West. Most of the world’s population consist of the “havenots,” who have no glasses, let alone rose tinted ones. They know the world is cruel, and if they had their druthers the global economic system no doubt would be based on gimme, gimme, gimme. Thank God us (relatively) comfortable, easygoing rich people only act the same way most of the time, instead of all of it, so that we maintain whatever advantages we have.


41 posted on 09/06/2011 10:00:18 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: cuban leaf
I see it the same way. People don’t realize that the segregation of the south was going away on its own before the government started passing laws.

The government didn't force Bear Bryant to integrate the Alabama football team, getting creamed by USC did.

42 posted on 09/06/2011 10:06:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Tublecane

I’m ugly as sin, semiretired at 45 with a taxfree income and live on a sailboat cruising. I’m not complaining, just telling it like it is. Everyone in my youth who rode on their looks are struggling in joe jobs, became baby factories or ar divorced multiple and on a road to addiction. As far as I’m concerned, looking like a shaved ape ended up being a perk.


43 posted on 09/06/2011 10:08:16 AM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: dfwgator

—The government didn’t force Bear Bryant to integrate the Alabama football team, getting creamed by USC did.—

Precisely!

And when businesses get competitive, you don’t refuse to serve blacks. The guy down the street will serve them and put you out of business, especially as more and more longtime racist whites die off or snap out of it.


44 posted on 09/06/2011 10:08:59 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: tarotsailor

I’m ugly as sin, semiretired at 45 with a taxfree income and live on a sailboat cruising”

You are what they call an outlier. This issue is concerned with averages. People are less concerned with individual cases, which are of course as varied as the day is long. Jackie Robinson had a good ride in the bad old days of racism. According to me that’s a pretty decent argument against race discrimination laws, but almost no one else agrees.


45 posted on 09/06/2011 10:15:01 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

Call me anything you like except late for dinner or a sunset fatty... :))


46 posted on 09/06/2011 10:29:02 AM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Yeah, we should poke everyone’s eyes out at birth, that way we would never have anyone experience lookism, racism, sexism or anything....


47 posted on 09/06/2011 11:16:14 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM

“we should poke everyone’s eyes out at birth, that way we would never have anyone experience lookism, racism, sexism or anything”

You overlook soundism and smellism. Ridiculous, you say. Well, yes, but so are lookism and agism, and behold, they exist.


48 posted on 09/06/2011 11:29:59 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: dragonblustar
Economist Daniel Hamermesh argues that ugliness is no different from race or a disability, and suggests unattractive people deserve legal protection.

Helen would employ an entire legal office.

49 posted on 09/06/2011 12:21:35 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (My mind is like a steel trap: rusty and illegal in 37 states.)
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To: tarotsailor

“I’m ugly as sin,”

It is very unfair to make such a claim and then not have pics on your profile! ;-)


50 posted on 09/06/2011 12:56:30 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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