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What If Columbus Had NOT Discovered America?
Self | October 20, 2011 | PJ-Comix

Posted on 10/10/2011 3:36:57 PM PDT by PJ-Comix

Okay, today is Columbus Day observed (real Columbus Day comes in 2 days) and normally I just look at it as a low level holiday in which banks and post offices are closed. However, today I got to thinking: What if Columbus had not discovered America? I don't mean if he tried and failed. What if he never bothered in the first place? He could quite easily have given up on attempting to put together such an expedition. It would have been quite easy to have given up the attempt. One interesting thing is that 1492 was the very first year that Columbus could have even made the attempt. Had he gone to Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand a year earlier he would have been told that it would be impossible as long as the Muslims were still in Granada. 1492 was the year that the Muslims, after centuries, were driven out of Spain.

However, let us start from the assumption that Columbus didn't make the attempt. Then WHO would have been the first to reach the New World and how would that have impacted history? My guess is that it would have been Pedro Alvarez Cabral of Portugal who in 1500 discovered Brazil while performing a "volta do mar" (a turn to the West to catch the westerly winds) in order to cross the southern tip of Africa. Had that happened then instead of South and Central America currently being mostly Spanish speaking countries with the exception of Brazil, that whole area would have been primarily Portuguese speaking today. Yes, even Mexicans would be speaking Portuguese today.

How else do you think history would have been affected if Columbus was like those lazy OWP protestors and decided to just sit on his keister instead of organizing and expedition to sail West?


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KEYWORDS: 1492; ageofsail; amerigovespucci; christophercolumbus; columbusday; godsgravesglyphs; vanity
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Yes, the New World would have been discovered sans Columbus but things would definitely have been a lot different. Would there have even been a United States of America?
1 posted on 10/10/2011 3:37:00 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix

Some folks claim that Amerigo Vespucci discovered America, around 1460.


2 posted on 10/10/2011 3:43:51 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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The Vikings settled in Greenland, Nova Scotia and there is archelogical remains, the Kensington Stones which are viking runes that were found in Minnesota.

There are some remains in Mexico that suggest that the Great China Fleet might have made it to North Smerican shores.

Columbus ushered in the modern age of exploration and the colonization of India, Africa,China, Micronesia and GULP the Moon!

3 posted on 10/10/2011 3:45:39 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: Pilgrim's Progress

Amerigo would have been considered a Boy Wonder since he was only 6 years old in 1460.


4 posted on 10/10/2011 3:46:29 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Free Gas! Free Gas! FRRREEEEEEEE GAAASSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!)
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The Vikings settled in Greenland, Nova Scotia and there is archelogical remains, the Kensington Stones which are viking runes that were found in Minnesota.

They didn't stick around nor even told other Europeans about a New World so their impact on the settlement of America was ZERO.

5 posted on 10/10/2011 3:48:33 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Free Gas! Free Gas! FRRREEEEEEEE GAAASSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!)
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“The Years of Rice and Salt” by Kim Stanley, is an interesting read, the entire world settled by Muslims and Buddhist's only.
6 posted on 10/10/2011 3:50:20 PM PDT by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Then why bother and even ask the question dumbass if you have your canned response ready?


7 posted on 10/10/2011 3:51:59 PM PDT by khnyny (Our government has become Hal in "2001 A Space Odyssey")
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To: PJ-Comix

And why would it be different. Remember follow the money. CC wanted to make a fortune in far Eastern spices and he thought he could get a monopoly by going west instead of east. If he hadn’t done it, somebody else would have in a very short time after 1492 and history would be basically the same, only the names of the first here would have changed.


8 posted on 10/10/2011 3:52:45 PM PDT by ProudFossil
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What if the Americas had NEVER been discovered by people from other continents?

Naturally, the Aztecs would have been forced to continue to expand their empire in the search for more and more sacrifices to appease their sun god. Perhaps they would even have reached territory that is now part of the US, and we would find their decedents living in what are now our southwestern states in great numbers, and the blood of those they murdered would be staining what are now our streets ... oh, er, wait a minute ... :))


9 posted on 10/10/2011 3:55:44 PM PDT by Vesparado
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The Aztecs would have perfected multicultural, diverse, open heart surgery?


10 posted on 10/10/2011 3:55:53 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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A city in Ohio would have a really stupid sounding name.. . .


11 posted on 10/10/2011 3:56:58 PM PDT by shankbear (Bush's fault......that is more in bad taste than my old tag line........)
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To: khnyny

About the Vikings? Sorry, but they did come and their impact was ZERO. I am looking to find out how things would have been changed if Columbus had NOT discovered America. The best assumption is that Portugal, by far the leading nation in exploration at the time, would have been the ones to have discovered the New World.


12 posted on 10/10/2011 3:56:59 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Free Gas! Free Gas! FRRREEEEEEEE GAAASSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!)
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To: ProudFossil

Columbus brought the word of Jesus Christ with him. To the pagan human sacrifice Indians of the new world, that was absolutely the single most important result of his exploration.


13 posted on 10/10/2011 3:57:51 PM PDT by doosee
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The Vikings discovered America in about the year 1000 AD but they subsequently returned to Scandinavia. This left the door open for Columbus to re-discover America in 1492.


14 posted on 10/10/2011 3:58:39 PM PDT by Isabel C.
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If he hadn’t done it, somebody else would have in a very short time after 1492 and history would be basically the same, only the names of the first here would have changed.

History would have been quite different if the Portuguese were the first. Not just language but their culture is/was different from Spain.

15 posted on 10/10/2011 3:59:22 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Free Gas! Free Gas! FRRREEEEEEEE GAAASSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!)
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To: Young Werther

No discovery in 1492, no horses. No horses, Plains Indians don’t keep the buffalo population in check. Exploding bison population leads to exploding methane increase. Global warming floods coast, putting the Americas further away from Europe. Algore’s ancestors never make trip, Algore never gets to warn us about global warming.


16 posted on 10/10/2011 3:59:59 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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Columbus discovered America?

What happened to the Vikings?

What happened to the people who crossed the Siberian bridge thousands of years ago?

Holy mammoth Batman!


17 posted on 10/10/2011 4:01:10 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 - 35)
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To the pagan human sacrifice Indians of the new world, that was absolutely the single most important result of his exploration.

Oh, and the "little" fact that over 90% of the Indians got wiped out by Yellow Fever.

18 posted on 10/10/2011 4:01:35 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Free Gas! Free Gas! FRRREEEEEEEE GAAASSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!)
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To: ProudFossil

Yep, you couldn’t keep an entire TWO continents “secret” for very long as history has shown. The Spaniards came in the 1500s not that long after Columbus. Not to mention indigenous people who had been here for at least 10,000 years. It wouldn’t have taken much time before another European expedition would have attempted to take over everything they found. The only difference I could possibly fathom would be if Spain had dominated North America (above Mexico of course) instead of the English and French. And that seems unlikely.


19 posted on 10/10/2011 4:04:19 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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the natives still wouldn’t have a wheel 6k yrs after the rest of the world had one.


20 posted on 10/10/2011 4:10:10 PM PDT by sappy
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