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Weekly Gardening Thread 2011 (Vol. 41) October 21
Free Republic | 10-21-2011 | Red_Devil 232

Posted on 10/21/2011 5:04:45 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232

Good morning gardeners. We have had the first frost of Fall this morning in East Central Mississippi. It will warm up into the 70s the next few days and possibly even up to 80s by Tuesday. Not much gardening will be going on for me until next Spring.

I hope all your Fall gardens prosper.

If you are a gardener or you are just starting out and are in need of advice or just encouragement please feel free to join in and enjoy the friendly discussion. Our Freeper community is full of gardeners, each with varying interests and skill levels from Master Gardener to novice.


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1 posted on 10/21/2011 5:04:51 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; billhilly; Alkhin; ...
Ping to the Weekly Gardening Ping List.

I hope all of you will stop by.

This is typically a low volume ping list. Once a week for the thread and every once in a while for other FR threads posted that might be of interest.

If you would like to be added to or removed from the list please let me know by FreepMail or by posting to me.

2 posted on 10/21/2011 5:06:23 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Add me to the list.

And, am I the only person on the planet who has had problems growing potatoes?

3 posted on 10/21/2011 5:15:17 AM PDT by PENANCE
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To: Red_Devil 232

You’re an early bird RD.

I’m all well now and looking forward to a small winter garden of greens, lettuce, onions and a few other cold hearty vegetables.


4 posted on 10/21/2011 5:21:37 AM PDT by poobear (Facts, the TURD in the punchbowl of Liberal thought!)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Now is the time to start a second garden in a low tunnel. See the Eliot Coleman book called Winter Harvest. No bugs, no watering, no weeds. You can't grow tomatoes but any cole crop and lettuce and spinach thrive!
5 posted on 10/21/2011 5:24:56 AM PDT by netguide (Use this browser instead of Internet Exploder)
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To: Red_Devil 232

We need rain in Texas. Our area is 20 + inches behind for the year.


6 posted on 10/21/2011 5:25:49 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

We haven’t had our first frost yet here in southern Massachusetts. Was your frost a fluke?


7 posted on 10/21/2011 5:29:55 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: netguide
Greetings from southern New Hampshire! Our colors are starting to show.

I picked up Elliot Coleman's book in the Kindle version and have it on my Galaxy Tablet. I just started it, but it does sound interesting. I remember Crockett writing about French raised beds where the decomposing manure under the bed not only fertilized, but also provided warmth. I am still hoping to build that geodesic dome greenhouse next summer. We are going to swap some land with our neighbor to get rid of a 33' wide strip along his back lot line to another road for a 36' wide strip of his land on our northern boundary.

Two of our New Hampshire Reds are now laying and their eggs are in the 1.5 - 1.8 oz zone. Our five Marans pullets are getting used to their perches and a couple have started using them to get out of their cage in the dining room to explore the kitchen. Our dogs and cats are pretty tolerant of them.

I will be siding the carport this weekend, and trying to get my chimney back up on the shop, but I also need to till one of the raised beds. Winter is coming fast!

8 posted on 10/21/2011 5:39:17 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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9 posted on 10/21/2011 5:39:17 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: trisham

Yeah a fluke. Our first frost usually does not occur until the first or second weeks in Nov. We will be back having lows in the 40s-50 with highs in the 70s - 80 starting tomorrow.


10 posted on 10/21/2011 5:54:20 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: poobear

I used to post the thread at 6am Central but one West coast FReeper said all of our chatter on the thread was waking him up way to early.


11 posted on 10/21/2011 6:03:39 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

We don’t have much of a fall garden, but I did get my first mess of Mustard greens this week. They were great. Still getting Okra and cucumbers. Looks like the squash and blackeyed peas are about finished.

My tomatoes , bell peppers and Peperoncini peppers are finally making. The plants grew large earlier and bloomed, but the temps were too hot to set the tomatoes and peppers.

Looks like the 4 fig trees I planted (along with a lot other tree) this spring will have figs soon if we don’t get an early frost.

Our temperatures are sure dropping since the 3.7” rain we got about 2 weeks ago. Hope that is a sign that the drought we have endured for the past year is nearing an end. Before that rain we recorded between 2.5-2.9” of rain for the entire year from October 2010-October 2011. That is a drought, no human living has seen that low of rainfall in Texas. (normal rainfall is 25” per year here)


12 posted on 10/21/2011 6:09:07 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Good Morning!

It is finally cool and sunny in S. Florida after a week of thunder, Lightening, Rain, Wind, flooding, and tornadoes.

I spent the morning cleaning out the planting beds of summer weeds! };-)


13 posted on 10/21/2011 6:12:26 AM PDT by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: Red_Devil 232

;D!


14 posted on 10/21/2011 6:19:48 AM PDT by poobear (Facts, the TURD in the punchbowl of Liberal thought!)
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To: PENANCE

No. I mean I get potatoes but not near the quantity I should. My harvests are always on the small side. I can’t ever figure why either.


15 posted on 10/21/2011 6:25:01 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: PENANCE

What sort of problems?


16 posted on 10/21/2011 7:18:15 AM PDT by magslinger (To properly protect your family you need a Bible, a twelve gauge and a pig.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

It has really cooled down here in SC. Not much hope of getting anything that needs pollinated from now on. I was hoping to get some late sugar peas but my hopes are dimming. Last of the tomatoes are ripening still and still hoping the last sweet corn will mature.


17 posted on 10/21/2011 7:42:53 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: PENANCE
And, am I the only person on the planet who has had problems growing potatoes?

No,my potatoes haven't done so well the last couple years either.

18 posted on 10/21/2011 8:26:11 AM PDT by painter (No wonder democrats don't mind taxes.THEY DON'T PAY THEM !)
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To: Red_Devil 232
We continue to have a pleasant Indian Summer here in Benderville in far north west California. I hope to get my 7 or 8 varieties of Garlic planted today as the bed in spaded, raked smooth and the rows marked out. The soil is nice and damp from the early 4" of rain we had the end of last month. We still have the flowers on the deck to pull and compost but that is minor compared to the garden cleanup.

Our 10 Day Forecast

19 posted on 10/21/2011 8:29:40 AM PDT by tubebender (She was only a whiskey maker, but I loved her still.)
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To: trisham

South central Nebraska got nailed night before last. Anything tender is gone.


20 posted on 10/21/2011 8:32:08 AM PDT by handmade
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To: Red_Devil 232

We were forecast to freeze, our low just kissed 32. I haven’t checked my pepper plants. I am hoping for the best, but if they are damaged then it wasn’t meant to be. I’m sure my cole crops are happy, though. My Brussels sprouts are small, but they are home grown. :)


21 posted on 10/21/2011 9:39:24 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (Proud Clinton-hater since 1998.)
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To: tubebender

All the aspen leaves have fallen here in the Colorado Rockies. An early freeze has ended my gardening this year.


22 posted on 10/21/2011 10:01:07 AM PDT by MtnClimber (The left wants our power generated by unicorns running on treadmills. What dopes!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

26F two nights this past week. Brought in the curing squashkins that the earlier frosts had kissed, so the freeze wouldn’t ruin them.

Nothing left but the Fall tilling & mulching.


23 posted on 10/21/2011 10:10:05 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: MtnClimber

Did you see that Berkeley Ca had a couple of EQs yesterday?


24 posted on 10/21/2011 10:14:38 AM PDT by tubebender (She was only a whiskey maker, but I loved her still.)
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To: Red_Devil 232; All
Thanks for the thread, Red. We were supposed to get our first frost last night, but looking at the veggies, we think it did not materialize.

I covered the tomato bed and winter greens bed with a row cover. I have a citrus tree full of flowers indoors, and a batch of baby spinach. Soon I will trim off all the tomato branches for indoor pots.

This weeks harvest included Wild Rose Hips, American Persimmons, a few tomatoes, and Trucker's white corn. I also harvested the last country gentleman corn, and hung it up to dry for next spring’s planting.

We had some good rain this past week, and a lot of garden chores to get done this week. It is a great sunny day outside. Just right to do yardwork with a light jacket.

Have a great weekend. God Bless.

25 posted on 10/21/2011 10:15:26 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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26 posted on 10/21/2011 10:39:55 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: tubebender
Here is the USGS site showing earthquake activity. Latest earthquakes in the last 7 days
27 posted on 10/21/2011 11:30:58 AM PDT by MtnClimber (The left wants our power generated by unicorns running on treadmills. What dopes!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Absolutely beautiful weather in New Mexico this time of year. My biggest problem has been squirrels eating my Knock-out roses down to the bone. They killed one and today I took plastic lightweight fencing material and made a cover for the other 2 they have gone after. Hopefully there is time for a bit of recovery before winter sets in. I am going to have to move them in the spring to a less-friendly-to-squirrels part of my property. I have tried a chemical from Garden’s Alive that was supposed to be hated by squirrels but mine just love it.
It was not a good year for tomotoes here. I probably paid $2 each for every good one given the amount of work, and equipment and feeding required.


28 posted on 10/21/2011 2:17:33 PM PDT by JudyM (JudyM)
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To: JudyM

Yep, my Tomatoes never had a chance this year either. This was due to me not getting an earlier start to let them mature and develop a good root system before the big heat wave hit.


29 posted on 10/21/2011 2:37:11 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232; JudyM
We had poor luck too. I also got my tomatoes out a little late.

Even though Hubby got his out on time, we had a cool spring with too much rain. Then the big heat wave, and attack from beetles.

We just now have a batch of decent tomatoes, so if Indian Summer continues, we may salvage the effort somewhat. Mine are in a 2 x 4 raised bed, with pvc pipe forming a dome and covered by row cover. Hoping to extend the results past Indian summer.

30 posted on 10/21/2011 4:35:10 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Texas Fossil
Hope that is a sign that the drought we have endured for the past year is nearing an end.

The extreme weather forecast for Texas is horrible! Watched a long term forecast on Fox News around noon. The drought in Texas is predicted to run well into 2012. Horrible!

Sure hope they're wrong.

Some good news, though. We are predicted to have a warmer than usual winter. Maybe we'll put off a frost until Christmas or later. I might actually get some tomatoes.

Sweet and hot peppers, cucumbers, and looseleaf lettuce is keeping the salad bowl filled. My Ichiban eggplant up and died. Crookneck squash seems to be thriving and so are the collards.

But them darn tomatoes just don't want to do nothin'

31 posted on 10/21/2011 4:35:27 PM PDT by Racehorse (Always preach the Gospel . . . . Use words if necessary.)
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A few weeks ago, frost killed half my garden. That half had stopped producing so I didn’t cover it. Now everything that had died is resprouting from the roots. I didn’t know cucumbers and sweet peas could do that!

The beans I picked before they were dry are drying nicely off the vine. I’m shelling them as the pods turn hard, I’ve got a nice big pile of seeds now :)


32 posted on 10/21/2011 5:51:24 PM PDT by Ellendra (God feeds the birds of the air, but he doesn't throw it in their nests.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I was away from home all week so naturally we got a nice hard frost. Mrs. Augie picked the tomatoes and peppers, but she didn’t cover up my giant elephant ears. Hope they aren’t dead.


33 posted on 10/21/2011 6:31:48 PM PDT by Augie
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To: Augie

Those elephant ears will die back but come back next spring if that is what you are worried about! Some varieties can be almost impossible to kill off and invasive.


34 posted on 10/21/2011 6:42:17 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: MtnClimber

I have had that link in my Tool Bar favorites for years as this area is earthquake central. I got the six varieties of Garlic planted today and have decided to plant the tiny Vietnam pink again because it is such a novelty. The bulbs are only about the size of a quarter and cloves are a pain in the butt to peal so we just smash them and fish the skins out the few times we use it.


35 posted on 10/21/2011 8:46:24 PM PDT by tubebender (She was only a whiskey maker, but I loved her still.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

These are colocasia which is a tropical variety. They’re hardy to zone 8, I’m in zone 5. I chopped them down, dug the corms and stored them in my workshop last winter. I’ll dig them tomorrow and hope for the best.


36 posted on 10/21/2011 8:51:52 PM PDT by Augie
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To: handmade

I got my season-ending hard freeze here in NW KS early AM Thursday, 10-20.

I picked a bunch of peppers Wed. afternoon, and the last good tomato I found. Went out Friday afternoon and found a few more peppers that might be good diced and frozen, or good for a kabob tomorrow (planned) and for a few more days. Also brought in my pumpkins, not completely ripe. Hope they go all orange inside my shop.

I still have some beets and carrots that will be usable, but I need to get it cleaned off as soon as it dries and will burn.


37 posted on 10/21/2011 11:31:21 PM PDT by tdscpa
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To: Racehorse

“Sure hope they’re wrong.”

Sure agree with that.

My father does remember a year we had no frost. Cotton plants suckered out the next year, some actually made 2 crops with 1 planting. That is odd.


38 posted on 10/22/2011 3:32:25 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil
Good morning, Texas Fossil.

Just happens I'm up and visiting Harris-Mann Climatology & Long Range Weather. They have a nifty search page purporting to forecast the next 12 months for major cities. They forecast a rather mild winter for San Antonio.

San Antonio Normal High Projected High Normal Low Projected Low
Nov 71.4 72.4 48.6 49.6
Dec 64 66 40.8 42.8
Jan 62.1 60..1 38.6 38.6
Feb 67.1 66.1 42.4 41.4

Compared with what Fox News forecast for Texas as a whole, Harris-Mann predict near normal precipitation for San Antonio through the next 12 months. Sure hope these guys are right. But then, this is Texas and we all know what they say about Texas weather. -:)

39 posted on 10/22/2011 4:07:23 AM PDT by Racehorse (Always preach the Gospel . . . . Use words if necessary.)
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To: Racehorse

I hope they are right. I ran the data on my nearest reporting city and it showed the only month that we would have freezing temperatures was in January. Projected low temp that they gave for January was 26.8 degrees F.

I would certainly call that a mild winter.

How is their forecasting record?


40 posted on 10/22/2011 5:36:43 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Racehorse
Too bad I can't ship some of this your way... LaNina Winter Predicted because even in a "normal" year we get too much rain.
41 posted on 10/22/2011 7:23:52 AM PDT by tubebender (She was only a whiskey maker, but I loved her still.)
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To: tdscpa

I have chard and beets left. Going out today to get everything else into the compost pile. Then to get the garden spot tilled this next week. I would prefer to spade it, and it is not that large, but I have an ankle that will not allow spading- I have never learned to spade left footed. I have tried but it is a lost cause.


42 posted on 10/22/2011 10:17:25 AM PDT by handmade
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To: JudyM

I have tons of squirrels here and have never noticed them bothering my Knock Out roses. I wonder what makes the difference.


43 posted on 10/22/2011 10:22:29 AM PDT by handmade
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To: Ellendra

I learned a couple years ago beans will recover when chawed down to the ground by rabbits. I did not know what else would recover. Interesting. Probably alot more things would recover if need be. Provided they had time before the heat hits or whatever.


44 posted on 10/22/2011 10:27:36 AM PDT by handmade
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To: Racehorse

Thanks for posting that website. I am curious now to see how it agrees with how the next several months go.


45 posted on 10/22/2011 10:35:22 AM PDT by handmade
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To: handmade

My rabbits will not recover after I shoot a pellet through their skull.


46 posted on 10/23/2011 1:51:04 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: tdscpa

Evidently I have enough to eat that what they do eat is not noticed. I remember when a neighbor had her tulips eaten down to the ground about four times one spring, and that was finally the end of the tulips trying. I presume the bulbs composted into Mother Earth. On the other hand I was living on my acre and while I had rabbits all over the place, I never was aware of any damage.

Squirrels on the other hand, with freshly planted daffodil bulbs was another story. They sat on a tree trunk watching me plant them. Supposedly the daffodil bulbs are poisonous to the squirrels- I can only say (again they left one out of 25)I truly hope so.


47 posted on 10/23/2011 1:32:02 PM PDT by handmade
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To: handmade

I do not have enough for the bunnies to eat that I will not notice. Several years ago I planted 4 35’ rows of corn. The second and third night after it sprouted and got about 3-4 inches tall, the bunnies ate it all (every sprout) down to the ground.

I killed four or five bunnies that summer. Took a long time and several plantings to get my corn started. I am unwilling to share my corn with rabbits. They can thrive by eating lawns, instead of corn. I refuse to do so. They could eat my weeds, and I would not kill them.

Guess I have failed as a rabbit educator. I am better at killing them than training them, or sharing with them.


48 posted on 10/24/2011 5:40:13 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: tdscpa

It’s a instinct called survival and I use it in my garden on skunks, raccoons and a possum or two with traps and a 22. I use a impulse sprinkler with a motion detector to deter raccoons getting the corn.


49 posted on 10/24/2011 7:46:22 AM PDT by tubebender (She was only a whiskey maker, but I loved her still.)
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To: tdscpa

Ah yes- but you have to deal with corn eating desperadoes.
The year my corn as well as my son’s was demolished, (which entailed two large plantings in separate parts of my acre) it was not rabbits, although we certainly had them. It was the annual crow invasion that plucked the inch tall corn sprouts right out of the ground, corn kernal and all. My only solace was while mine was not treated, his was. They ate right at a pound of treated corn.

The crows never came into town until an old gentleman died, and the powers that be gleefully took out his ponds south of town that were lined with tall mature trees. That was where well over a hundred thousand crows roosted when migrating. Crows like people go where they can find housing, so they just moved into town.

That was an experience, every year for many years, migrating coming and going.

Meanwhile yep- you have to defend your territory er garden.


50 posted on 10/24/2011 10:51:02 AM PDT by handmade
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