Skip to comments.Re-thinking Palin's decision not to run for POTUS
Posted on 10/21/2011 9:40:59 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
I was very upset when Palin decided not to run and I still wish she would have. However, as times goes on, I have no idea that she would kick butt in Iowa, SC and other primaries. I believe she would have won the nomination. If the party then united behind her, she could have won 270 electoral votes. But here is the problem...I think Palin had doubts that certain portions of the party would unite behind her even if she had won the nomination. She knew they were hostile. I don't know if this is the exact reason she decided not to run...but it had to be a factor.
It's true. It is wrong. It is very sad. But I am convinced that Priebus and MOST of the boys at the RNC would have prefered an Obama 2nd term over a Palin presidency. The only reason I can think of is that they believed their own power and control would be gone if Palin were elected.
I was a bit harsh and upset at first..but after thinking about it more.. I think she can do a lot to change the party over the next 5-10 years by traveling to all 50 states and backing fiscal conservatives at the local state and national level.
As for our party...we can't throw the election. but we damn well better make sure that when this next election is over, we do some serious house cleaning in all levels of government. And we need to make sure that the RNC is changed from the inside or scrap it and start from scratch. This is going to take some time , but the more we overrun them when we send real conservatives to D.C. in elections, the more the walls will close in on them. We can win the election with real conservatives in the house and the senate, even if we end up with a President that is more like Richard Nixon than Ronald Reagan. (Perry, or Newt..ect)
don't forget. when we take the senate with real conservatives. The President of the United States will have them breathing down his back on issue of spending and reform.
lets be happy warriors in this election. we can beat the establishment and the Dems at the same time
Sarah Palin to speak at RPOF Nov. 3 victory dinner fundraiser (Florida GOP)
Maybe Sarah Palin Was Right About Death Panels
I am glad that your seeing things in a different light right now. I understood how upset you were that she wasn’t going to run. I was upset too but understood why she did it. She did what was best for her family. She will do everything she can to ensure that Obama is a 1 term President(Can we get him out of the White House NOW!) She will work hard in 2012 so that we take back the Senate and get more seats in the house. Your absolutely right about the RINOS and the elitists in the GOP like Rove, they would never have allowed a Palin Presidency to take place, they would vote for Obama no doubt in my mind.
I also have no doubt those types voted for Obama in 2008, McCain threw the election and Sarah busted her ass for that man only to get screwed over in the end, its those kinds in the GOP that would have made things VERY difficult for her. She saw that and knew she could do better without having to run. She will run for President one day, she is young, she has her whole life ahead of her
I hope that Sarah will compete in a Presidential election in the future, but in the meantime, she's content to help other conservatives get elected.
>>> I believe she would have won the nomination.
Not a chance.
By 72 percent to 24 percent, Republicans and Republican-leaning independents do not want Palin to run for president in 2012. Even among tea party supporters - a group that likes Palin - 68 percent do not want her to run.
It is a formality now. It is not really worth debating. I will always until the day I die believe that most of those polls were media generated bullshit that would not have carried over to the ballot box if she entered the race.
She said she would run if no one else espoused clear Conservative thought....I paraphrase, and along came Herman.
We have hardly heard from or seen articles about Palin since she announced she wasn’t running, whereas this place was Palin Central before she announced she was not going to be a candidate. This speaks to the power of her celebrity.
Her true value, though, is when the MSM aren’t around, and she’s doing the hard, boring work of party-building.
Just because we like someone doesn’t mean he or she could or should be president. Someone who’s great at something won’t necessarily be great at everything. I think when people cool down they will see Palin, like every human being ever, had flaws alongside her qualities.
Unlike 99% of folks who run for president, though, when that is off the table, we don’t just stop thinking of her as a political entity. She can and does articulate conservative positions with a fierceness the wusses in DC simply do not have.
We need to turn the GOP into a conservative party. It is a place for the Bob Doles and John McCains now, and it shouldn’t be. Once that is remade, then we will see more true conservatives running for office.
Just as with Christine O’Donnell, when someone is no longer running (or isn’t running when we hoped they would), we cool down and see them with clear eyes. In O’Donnell’s case some of us, at least, see what a truly horrible candidate she was, and what a horrible politician she’d have been. In Palin’s case, some of us may see she is still just as talented as some thought, but her talents (as she proved in 2010) are in party-building, and that could be her true calling.
I for one am very glad you have given this some more thought. You are a valuable part of this board, and being in NE KY I was looking forward to working with you on the Palin campaign, and since that wasn’t happening, perhaps on the Cain campaign. I hope we get to meet at an event soon.
I was very dismayed at the way you felt about Sarah’s decision, and afraid you would lose hope.
We still have tons of work to do. I am signed up on the Cain site to work in the trenches, and I’ll let you know if were doing anything down here “across the river”. Please do the same. If you need any help over there, the wife and I will do what we can.
rino expect the conservatives to rally behind their rino if they win the primary, which is true because conservatives end up holding their nose and vote for them then whine about their candidates not being conservative enough
rino don’t rally behind the conservative if they win the primary. This has been proven so many times. They seek to sabotage the conservative
Good thinkin’. And if we respect Palin, we owe her the courtesy of taking her at her word, as to the reason and that “you don’t need a title or office to have an impact”.
Thank you, sir ! It would be an honor to meet you and other FReepers here locally.
It’s time to get behind Cain.
“If the party then united behind her”
That was N*E*V*E*R going to happen. EVER. It is the same reason Herman Cain will not be allowed to win. The political ruling class will elect the other party before they elect an outsider.
Don’t believe me?
Watch what the GOP insider do to Cain. They will sabatoge his run. I have ZERO doubt about that.
Palin is in a fight to wrest control of the GOP from Washington insiders. I don’t think she will win, at least not this election cycle.
The GOP Establishment will elect Obama rather than let Herman Cain win. They will NOT relinquish control to a Washington outsider.
Dittos! How does Herman Cain succeed in proving this wrong and then succeed in becoming the next POTUS?
If she had run I would have emptied my bank accounts, walked and knocked and delivered food to any operation of her candidacy when I could.
Life moves on and I have as well.
Still LUV her. XOXOXOXOXOX!!!
The GOP establishment isn’t just going to up and quit, of course. They have too much invested.
So when I say Palin is right to focus on that job, I’m not saying it’s going to be done overnight, or even by her.
It is a long process that is going to have to be fought, though. We’ve been slouching along from election to election, getting people like Dole and McCain, and threatening not to vote if our guy doesn’t get selected, and then for some of us we end up supporting the GOP nominee, anyway, because we don’t want someone like Obama in there.
So the fight has to be taken seriously and not just be a once-every-four-years bitch fest. It has to be a priority in itself, and for a long time.
You were right to be upset, and I still am.
Proving all her detractors, absolutely correct.
And letting down her armada of enthused, rock-rib supporters.
Palin didn’t reload. She retreated. And yes, I’m still upset.
I like Palin, but she has not matured to the point where she can handle debates with hostile press people. She is not a stupid person, is highly intelligent, right on the issues, but needs proper coaching. Thus far she has yet to received it.
The current GOP establishment needs to go. They are too comfortable with a live-and-let-live philosophy with the Democrats. The only way to really deal with those people is to fight them with the goal of totally destroying them.
I’ve said it before, the only way Obama can win is to make the election about whoever is running against him, not his miserable record. And the GOP establishment has permitted the leftist media to do just that by these farcical debates where the candidates maul each other instead of attacking Obama’s record and allowing the voters decide which anti-Obama approach is best.
I'm still ticked
I too am glad to see you have reevaluated the situation. Perhaps someday we’ll know why she chose not to run, but I have my own theories that are best left unsaid.
Regardless, she is and will remain a force in Conservative politics. The lack of ‘Palinmania’ lately on FR is of course partly because she’s not on the roster, but she has only put out a couple comments since announcing she was not running. And don’t forget that a ton of the Palin posts were either PDSers spouting BS or the rest of us countering them.
She’ll be around, making a positive impact and doing the job she’s chosen to take on. The detractors can get over it because whining isn’t helping themselves and it’s not hurting her. So what’s the point?
I’ve thought about that, too. A significant portion of the “Old Guard” GOP would be trying to submarine and kneecap her first term, at least until she whipped ‘em for it publicly. I don’t believe that would keep her from running. She stepped down for her family.
Your theory as to why she decided not to run is close to the truth, imo. If Palin got the nomination, it would have been on the strength of the tea party voters. The GOP establishment elites would not have supported her in the general election. They would rather see her and the tea party lose as they despise us more than they do Obama. Palin isn’t willing to let that happen. We’ll need to work hard to send many tea party patriots to the House and Senate to negate the power of the GOP elites. Should the country elect a Romney as president, I’d like to see a primary challenge in 2016. Maybe it’ll be Palin. We’ll see.
However, I wouldn’t rule out a new party forming to challenge both the Democrat AND Republican parties. They’re both corrupt.
So Romney and his minions are still afraid of her? Or is it just a reflex action?
I will not be surprised at all if the Tea Party rises to become a 3rd official party AFTER the 2012 election if we can get Obama out and off his dictatorial throne. There are “effectively” 3 parties now, but tea party’ers dare not split the vote until Obama is gone. When that grisly task is done, I will most gladly align myself with a “Tea Party” party, if that arises. I no longer consider myself a Republican, but instead consider myself a constitutional conservative and that distinction has never been more clear. The Republican ruling class are corrupt to the bone, and are no different than the liberal class in most aspects. They are clubhouse buddy’s, and are out to maintain their power and the status quo.
We all need to work on finding good candidates with a broad appeal. Christine O'Donnell was a flake, and if we allow ourselves to nominate more people like her because they chant a Tea Party mantra, we will continue to lose. I'm not sorry that we didn't elect Mike Castle, the liberal Republican who ran against her in the primary. On the other hand, if the Tea Party had gotten behind someone who could win in Delaware but wasn't a liberal, we could have done the country some good. Christine O'Donnell would be a flake in any state, but we can't expect to elect another Jim Inhofe from Delaware. We could have used the momentum last year to elect someone who would be reasonably right of center.
I don’t know about Christine O’Donnell, but the vast majority of outsider/tea party candidates have been competitive.
Angle was very competitive in Nevada (a blue state in 08). If the 2010 election were held now or just a few months later than it did, she would have won.
My goodness, we won a house seat in NYC recently with a real conservative. I thought Bob Turner had to be a mushy liberal republican when I read that he had won, then it turns out he is a down to earth patriotic conservative.
I know what you are saying, but we can’t narrow the political process away from real people who might not be conventional politicians who deicde to run. every single candidate should be judged as an individual in each case. doesnt matter if its a 35 year old woman or a 75 year old man.
Yep, I’m in that same place. The days of a permanent political elite class living off the hard work of the people has got to come to an end.
OMG, enough already.
Why isn’t a moderator deleting these inane vanities as soon as they appear?
“Extraordinary Women Conference Adds Governor Sarah Palin to Three Additional Events
Tupelo, MS; October 21-22, 2011 —
Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin will be the keynote speaker at the Republican Party of Florida’s “Victory Dinner fundraiser on November 3 at the Grand Floridian Resort at Walt Disney World.”
Article: American Crony Capitalism Brings Jobs to Finland
.by Sarah Palin on Friday, October 21, 2011 at 1:09pm.
“Yesterday, another shoe dropped in the chronicles of the Obama administrations crony capitalism. A start-up electric car company with ties to Al Gore got a $529 million loan guarantee from Obamas Department of Energy to build luxury electric cars...in Finland! Leaving aside the fact that to date only two of these $97,000 cars have been sold (one of them to a movie star), we might at least hope that this ridiculous exercise in the government picking winners minus any competitive, transparent process (Al Gores venture cap firm) and losers (the taxpayers subsidizing a car no one wants) would produce manufacturing jobs in the United States. Isnt that the alleged purpose of Obamas stimulus giveaways?”
Full article here: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150340167778435
What do you disagree with sir ?
I don’t know what the moderator’s opinions of me is. But I do know I have been posting vanities since 2006 and I feel I have added more to the site way more than I have ever wasted anyones time.
If you can find something constructive to disagree with me on, I can respect that, join the conversation. If you are just trying to shut me up, go to hell.
thank you !
As he said, small FR world.
Awesome ! Yep. I have been in touch with several locals on here over the years. thank God for this place !
Even CNN said she was more polite and open than any politician they had seen in a long time. The CNN reporter even wrote a nice positive article about her. That really flipped out the normal PDS CNN posters, who went near berserk about it.
I suspect that her son, Trig, played no small role in her decision.
If conservatives did not rise up to support and defend Palin of all people against the dirty attacks, just forget that idea of another succeeding.
Angle was a poor candidate and I say that after donating to her.
The NYC Bob Turner win was just a Dan Rostenkowski knee jerk reaction by the dems, and the result will be the same come the next election, he will lose, big time.
Haven’t seen you around n a while. You have stated with real clarity how much more of a factor that Mrs. Palin can be in returning this country to it’s conservative roots.
I think that Palin knew or realized that the GOP threw her under the bus in 2008, either because they viewed her potential as VP to really upset the apple cart under McCain and start swinging the axe, or because mittens didn’t get the nomination, which pissed off the country club faction of the GOP to no end. This time, 2012 is no different. The DNC/RNC along with the MSM and the usual suspects, have all but concluded that mittens will be nominated, and judging by all of the hit pieces and negative articles coming out about Cain and Perry, they’re trying their hardest to make it happen. I think Palin realized that she doesn’t have a friend in the GOP, that the conservatives are too factioned and splintered, and that outside of a third party, she had no chance of getting elected.
I too have been upset by Sarah’s decision, but I know even if she won, she would have had a hard time accomplishing anything without the backing of those in the House and Senate. The good old boys network needs to be destroyed and the way to do it is like Sarah said, work on the House and Senate. That being said, I see a problem for Sarah in that none of the presidential candidates are worth endorsing and how does she get around THAT? She could not endorse anyone in the primary, but what about the general election? If she endorses one of the candidates and they lose, will it cost her political capital?
I respect her decision. If she's not in it 100% I wouldn't want her to run, one has to want the office bad enough to endure the media crucifixion. After what she went through, who can blame her. Years of liberal psycho attacks would be enough for any one of us. I wish her health, happiness and peace.
You are very astute about the GOP Establishment. They are dead set on having a RINO Beltway Buddy in office and would have been brutal on Sarah.
Here is an inside story from Florida. Lt. Col. Allen West ran for Congress in 2004 against Ron Klein(D), a lifelong incumbent who shmoozed the condos every year for his perpetual seat. Col. West ran on a total grassroots effort. He had NO support from the Republican party of FL, who ignored him completely. Nevertheless, he got 47% of the popular vote! Of course, the next time in 2008, the RPOF supported him, and he is our new Congressman!
We are seeing this on a National level with Sarah, Michelle Bachman, and Herman Cain. The Establishment, it seems, would rather have an evil Marxist dictator, than a Tea Party Favorite. The 2010 election has frighten them almost as much as it did the democrats.
The elitist & Rino’s in the GOP Party, like Rove...would never allowed Palin to become President. They are too afraid of what she will find out as President, all the behind the scene deals, workings, etc and expose it. Like she did in Alaska.
I just hope Palin is allowed to run before time runs out on American freedom. I still think she is a WINNER !!
Sorry I missed it. If she is improving, they don’t want to publicize it.
I watch mainly FOX and they are shilling for Romney now that Christie isn’t running.
She is one great, hot looking intelligent lady. I wish her luck.
Amen! For a long time I have been suspicious that McCain was not the stellar patriot while a POW that the media have portrayed. I have wondered if the Communists had something they were holding over his head. He has done more for the Democrats as a Republican than anyone else I know.
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