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Race To Mine The Moon Heats Up
Foxnews.com ^ | 10/27/2011 | Loren Grush

Posted on 10/27/2011 9:22:03 PM PDT by Captain Beyond

Astrobotic Technology's Red Rover, a lunar exploration vehicle that the company claims will be able to scout and drill for precious resources at the moon's poles.

Moon, we just can’t quit you.

NASA has shifted its goals from returning to the moon to visiting an asteroid or even Mars, but not everyone has given up on going back. The space agency's attention deficit has sparked a race among private companies eager to return to Earth's satellite.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/27/race-to-mine-moon-heats-up/#ixzz1c2sHUuBP

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Business/Economy; Science
KEYWORDS: lunarmining; mining; moon; outerspace; secondapollo; spaceflight; titanium
Well if we going to mine it we need to get rid of that Undermining Space Treaty that our so called brilliant leadership at the time saddled us with if we are going to get a chance to own the rights and make a profit from the Moon. We have got to cease and desist this "We are the World outer space mentality" and start putting America's interests first when it comes to Space Exploration. Hopefully private enterprise will get the ball rolling so we can get out there again. If we can get the government out of the way so we can.
1 posted on 10/27/2011 9:22:07 PM PDT by Captain Beyond
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To: KevinDavis

Space ping


2 posted on 10/27/2011 9:22:40 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Captain Beyond

They should be careful. After all, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.


3 posted on 10/27/2011 9:27:08 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator
I want my moonbase, moonbuggies, Eagles, U-shaped energy weapons, great opening music, but no bellbottoms and no being blown out of orbit part of doing something with the moon. Staying here making muzzies feel good about themselves and following outdated feelgood treaties and policies about commercializing space won't allow much of that to happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WZW4groJro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs-kQXYtmrY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYIxZL8TayA&feature=related
4 posted on 10/27/2011 9:48:09 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: wally_bert

Life was just like that in 1999.


5 posted on 10/27/2011 9:56:39 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Captain Beyond

6 posted on 10/27/2011 10:08:32 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: wally_bert

I want my Maya. :)

I love season one, but season two is pretty much a bore except for the then-babalicious Catherine Schell.


7 posted on 10/27/2011 10:15:34 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: Captain Beyond
If we start taking material off the moon and bringing it to earth then this will cause the tides to dampen.

I'm sure the surfers will have something to say about this!

8 posted on 10/27/2011 10:27:30 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Captain Beyond
Subtly Shaded Map of Moon Reveals Titanium Treasure Troves

Plenty of reasons to go back to the moon. Hope private enterprise can do it! Cause govt sure won't!

9 posted on 10/27/2011 10:32:37 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Geithner: Taxes on 'Small Business' Must Rise So Government Doesn't 'Shrink')
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To: Captain Beyond
Not to rain on your parade but considering the astronomical cost of sending a pound of payload to the moon I can not see finding quantities of even the elusive Helium 3 on the moon being able to turn a profit.

Unless the cost of lifting mass in to orbit can be drastically cut I see no way of turning a profit mining the moon.

Even if you do cut the cost of achieving orbit, the first place to mine would be asteroids because then you would be able to negate the cost of escaping the Moons gravity.

10 posted on 10/27/2011 11:07:48 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Captain Beyond
I doubt these guys are just gonna stand
there and let us take over.

11 posted on 10/28/2011 3:35:36 AM PDT by Krankor (Electrical banana Is gonna be a sudden craze Electrical banana Is bound to be the very next phase)
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To: Darkwolf377

I always liked Catherine Schell too.


12 posted on 10/28/2011 6:58:12 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Captain Beyond

Missed me on the Space Ping on this one. Thanks. Much appreciated!


13 posted on 10/28/2011 6:58:20 PM PDT by Oiao (Socialism Kills)
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To: Captain Beyond

We’re gonna now fake mining the moon? Where, in a moonbat state?


14 posted on 10/28/2011 7:00:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: PA Engineer

Great pic. Very inspirational. Thanks for posting it.


15 posted on 10/28/2011 11:02:46 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

Thaks for the article link. I really like their outside of the box approach to mapping. This is really hot.

Robinson and his team previously developed a technique using Hubble Space Telescope images to map titanium abundances around a small area centred on the Apollo 17 landing site. Samples around the site spanned a broad range of titanium levels. By comparing the Apollo data from the ground with the Hubble images, the team found that the titanium levels corresponded to the ratio of ultraviolet to visible light reflected by the lunar soils.


16 posted on 10/28/2011 11:09:15 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Pontiac
We will get the cost down that is why we need the private sector involved so it can happen. If there is a profit to be made and we can get the government out of the way it is a whole new frontier. The Gold Rush opened up a whole new way in America so can this. But if it is to succeed it will need to be lead by the private sector not the government.
17 posted on 10/28/2011 11:15:47 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Oiao
Kev is the only I know that has a space ping list. So if he does not catch it I guess it does not get a around. Hope you enjoyed the article. Stuff like this is a real driver for me when comes to conquering space travel.
18 posted on 10/28/2011 11:19:43 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Revolting cat!

LOL I am sure the moon minning unions will hate that.


19 posted on 10/28/2011 11:21:03 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Captain Beyond

Thanks.


20 posted on 10/29/2011 8:00:44 AM PDT by Oiao (Socialism Kills)
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To: Captain Beyond
If there is a profit to be made and we can get the government out of the way it is a whole new frontier. The

I agree. Government is not good at innovation.

To make a profit I think rockets will have to replaced by another method of lifting. Having to lift tons of fuel while lifting the payload is too close to lifting yourself by your own boot straps.

I see the use of a superconducting Mass Driver to accelerate payloads to escape velocity as the most practical at this time. But a Space Elevator may be doable in the future.

I just don’t see rockets ever being able to turn a profit transporting goods to and from space. The overhead is just too high.

21 posted on 10/30/2011 5:42:43 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac; Captain Beyond
Not to rain on your parade but considering the astronomical cost of sending a pound of payload to the moon I can not see finding quantities of even the elusive Helium 3 on the moon being able to turn a profit.

Unless the cost of lifting mass in to orbit can be drastically cut I see no way of turning a profit mining the moon.

Even if you do cut the cost of achieving orbit, the first place to mine would be asteroids because then you would be able to negate the cost of escaping the Moons gravity.


Come on. Be honest. You didn't actually bother think through any of this before reflexively tossing off the above, did you? And all those folks with plans for mining the moon have taken into account costs on developing mining techniques and equipment, costs to operate it there, but have, except for you, completely overlooked costs to get it there and costs to get finished product back? You may as well make the same arguments about telecommunications satellites because they aren't bringing anything back at all, they're just there because of their position--oh, their value lies in what they enable us to do in spite of the costs to lift and operate them because of the unique nature of their position?
22 posted on 10/30/2011 6:06:22 AM PDT by aruanan
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It is probable that such considerations (cost of transportation) are being considered, but the specifics aren’t clear in the article. (it says probes to be sent to drill for “fuel” but the specifics aren’t clear how profit can be made. Of course, every private enterprise probably wouldn’t be too eager to explain in detail their strategy for making money)


23 posted on 10/30/2011 6:13:41 AM PDT by FourtySeven (When does the race card run out of credit?)
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And all those folks with plans for mining the moon have taken into account costs on developing mining techniques and equipment, costs to operate it there, but have, except for you, completely overlooked costs to get it there and costs to get finished product back?.

To the best of my knowledge no one currently working on commercial lifting rockets is looking to mine anything in space. (If you know of some one seriously working on space mining I would be interested to know who, how and what. Dreaming doesn’t count. )

Those working on commercial lifting are planning on doing exactly what government space agencies are doing lifting satellites, servicing satellites and one new thing namely space tourism.

Now for tourism lifting cost is not a problem because the market is overloaded with demand. The space companies can pretty much charge anything they want.

Since the private space companies are competing against government space agencies they can probably do it much cheaper. The real question is will the government agencies allow them to compete. After all running at a profit is something that governments are not required to do.

24 posted on 10/30/2011 6:22:32 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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