Posted on 11/07/2011 8:50:19 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Gloria Allred is supposed to appear today with the third Cain accuser, and at Google News, (among a few more news stories), it reads: CBS News: "Gloria Allred To Offer Up New Cain Accuser." The Daily Caller: "Gloria Allred To Represent New Cain Accuser."
Question in its totality, since space in thread title does not permit: ...will Cain be afforded the presumption of innocence by the MSM?
Secondly, (rhetorical question): is the onus of proof upon him to disprove or upon others to prove?
No matter how badly the MSM says that he has supposedly handled this, the onus of proof is not upon him. And he is to be afforded the presumption of innocence, right?
From what I have seen, nothing has been proven, yet this isn't going away and yet it can't be avoided.
Voters are free to base their choice in a presidential election in part on smoke, not only on fire.
The presumption of innocence applies in criminal cases. The MSM has no obligation to imply or assert that Cain is innocent until proven guilty. They will likely use the word “alleged” to avoid a libel/slander/defamation charge from Cain.
These women can say anything they want. Cain’s legal recourse is to sue for libel/slander/defamation. So essentially, Cain must prove he’s innocent to recover any damages in court.
In the court of public opinion, which is what counts here, the women must be believable. If there are credible witnesses who back up their assertions, then the public will find Cain guilty.
I wonder if Allred will mention the $850,000 paid to Paula Jones by Bill Clinton in the out of court settlement in her sexual harassment suit. Did Cain unzip his trousers and ask the accuser to kiss it? Did he grope her? Did he actually rape her? Does it matter that B.J. Clinton has been accused of all of those things. But I won’t hold my breath to see that story in Politico.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Jones
Presumption of innocence also applies in the courtroom of public opinion, too, otherwise we can get what many are already calling this: a high-tech lynching.
Clarence Thomas wasn’t in a courtroom, yet didn’t he get a high-tech lynching both before the Senate confirmation hearings by the MSM and during the Senate confirmation hearings?
It is now seeming like this whole thing was a hit orchestrated by the DNC, and that Rove and Co were sucked into it as they hoped this was what was going to do Cain in.
Problem is that Gingrich will face worse scrutiny, and so will Perry (Texas Emerging Tech Fund). All that leaves us with is Romney, and the Dims have a plan to rip him apart if he gets the nomination.
Read post #25.
It’s not going to work this time Gloria.
Yesterday a big mouth on weekend radio was actually saying that Cain had been having sex with multiple women back then, as if it were fact. Conservatives are always guilty first. It’s all about the seriousness of the charge.
It worked in the last gubernatorial election in California—Gloria destroyed Jerry Brown’s opponent using a similar tactic.
Mr. Cain’s lawyers, like every other gentleman accused of “sexual harassment”....whatever that means other than money in the pot for the accuser and lawyer....needs to turn the tables around and charge THEM with sexual harassment. And I am speaking as a woman.
Lawyers will love this because it will make them richer. But none the less, something has to be done to turn the fight around into the right direction. The direction is back to the accuser.
Gads!!! What happened to manners? I love it when men open doors for me, pull my chair to seat me at the table, and many, many other shows of manners. I am also equally respectful toward gentlemen.
But then, I live in Panama.
Mr. Cain, being a Republican, will be afforded the presumption of guilt.
Should be interesting to hear if she has more than “Someone, somewhere took offense to something Cain did”
As the MSM says, “The seriousness of the charges...warrants further investigations.”
That big mouth on the radio must prove any assertions that he/she made.
The onus of proof is upon him/her, as he/she made the assertion.
For all practical purposes, Justice Thomas was in a court room. The purpose of Senate confirmation hearings is to decide whether or not a nominee should be confirmed. The confirmation vote is essentially a verdict. The Senate found Justice Thomas “not guilty” by confirming him.
I don’t care if the women’s volleyball teams from every UC campus come forward accusing Cain of sexual harassment.
EVERY gay parade is sexual harassment to me.
I shall send another 25 bucks today!
The purpose of Politico, the media, the leftists, the whoever-is-peddling-this stuff, is simply this:
Repeat some combination of these words as often as possible until they become embedded in everyone’s minds:
A) Choose two:
-Herman
-Cain
B) Choose at least two:
-Sexual
-Harrassment
-Inappropriate
-Improper
-Behavior
-Advance
-Incident
-Settlement
That’s it. That’s the entire plan. Then every time Cain is mentioned for the rest of the campaign, be sure to use some of the “B” list words in the article somewhere.
Would ANY conservative? I doubt it.
Exactly! And one needn’t even go as far back as Clinton, who apparently could rape and pillage and grope in the Oval Office itself and still be a respected former president.
But the known nominee in 2012 has been accused, with details, in a legal affidavit, of having purchased and smoked crack cocaine, while a state senator, while married with a baby, and while enjoying oral sex, by a man!
So if cain’s accuser’s story isn’t quite that bawdy, forget it! Just donate to Herman.
WE may have "had it," but remember, the American electorate as a whole is not a particularly bright bunch.
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