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Relentless optimism of ugly men makes up for unappealing looks
The Telegraph ^ | December 15, 2011 | Nick Collins, Science Correspondent

Posted on 12/16/2011 9:11:09 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Despite being at a disadvantage in the looks department, some men are able to snare a partner far more attractive than them through relentless persistence and overblown belief in their own sex appeal.

Now scientists believe this could be down to an evolutionary trait which tricks men into overestimating the value of their looks to prevent them from missing a mating opportunity.

This overconfidence causes them to try their luck with a greater number of women because they are less likely to see them as unattainable.

The study, published in the Psychological Science journal, could help explain the mystery of why so many men think women are interested in them when in fact they are not, researchers said.

Making moves on a greater number of women, some of whom are better-looking than them, raises the men's risk of an embarrassing knock-back but also reduces the chance of missing out on a potential partner.

Only the most attractive men are not inclined to have an inflated view of their desirability – most likely because they are so good looking they do not need to, according to an experiment by US-based Williams College psychologists.

Dr Carin Perilloux, who led the study, said: "There are two ways you can make an error as a man.

"Either you think, 'Oh, wow, that woman's really interested in me' and it turns out she's not. There's some cost to that, such as embarrassment or a blow to your reputation.

"The other error: she's interested, and he totally misses out. He misses out on a mating opportunity. That's a huge cost in terms of reproductive success."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: looks; men; uglymen; women
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1 posted on 12/16/2011 9:11:20 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Researchers making themselves feel better.


2 posted on 12/16/2011 9:13:48 PM PST by Track9
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Known for years.”If you dont get turned down a hundred times a night, you aint trying hard enough.”


3 posted on 12/16/2011 9:14:43 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
she's interested, and he totally misses out.

Yeah... Misses out on the moods, arguments, divorce, heartache....

Thanks. I'll just remain a single celibate. I've done my time and learned my lesson.

The primate pair-bonding biological drive makes people stupid. That's for the young.

/johnny

4 posted on 12/16/2011 9:16:59 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I am so much happier and less frustrated since I gave up trying to understand male/female relationships and have taken up theoretical quantum physics as a hobby. It is so much more logical and easy to understand. I have never had to sleep on the couch because of my opinion of string theory vs loop quantum gravity.
5 posted on 12/16/2011 9:21:04 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The only thing more amazing than this bunch of steaming refuse is that someone got paid to write it!


6 posted on 12/16/2011 9:23:09 PM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Here's a picture of the author of the study.


7 posted on 12/16/2011 9:25:22 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Okay, now how do they explain ugly women with good looking men? It is hard to come up with theories in either case that don’t involve really good sex. Kudos to the researchers for trying.


8 posted on 12/16/2011 9:25:54 PM PST by dog breath
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Tolerance Sucks Rocks.


9 posted on 12/16/2011 9:27:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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10 posted on 12/16/2011 9:28:21 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dog breath

Curb Your Enthusiasm had some “research” underway:

On a recent episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm, Larry David decides to invest in an inventor’s idea because the guy’s wife is unattractive. Later in the episode, he fires his business manager because the man’s wife is too attractive. David’s thinking is that men married to sexy women are superficial and therefore untrustworthy. On the other hand, if a man marries a woman based solely on her personality and not physical appearance, that guy must be genuine. Like in most Curb episodes, David’s half-baked theory proves to hold some truth.

This is treading on seriously timorous, un-P.C. ground, but there is arguably something to take away from David’s belief that ugly wife = honorable husband. Admit it: When you see a well-groomed man with a gorgeous wife, your immediate thought is not, “I bet that guy is cool.” In fact, you think, “Douchebag.” Obviously we’re just as guilty as all men’s websites are of publishing dozens of sexy-women galleries. That said, the following arguments just might convince you to leave the beauty on our webpages and invite a beast into your bedroom. Here are 10 potential benefits of an ugly wife.

Read more: http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/an-ugly-wife-the-benefits.html#ixzz1glZubaEE

LOL.


11 posted on 12/16/2011 9:31:48 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’ve actually come to a similar conclusion to this myself. One thing I have observed over my lifetime as a woman is that most men think they are masculine (or maybe “tough” is a better word). I can not get over how many less-than-masculine men I have heard make fun of other men for being wimps. I think the existence of testosterone in men makes them feel masculine even if they are not. I’m a photographer and I always hear beautiful women talk about how unattractive they are, but guys almost always seem confident about how they look.


12 posted on 12/16/2011 9:33:38 PM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname (I really hate not knowing what was said in the deleted posts....)
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To: Mount Athos
Ackshully, THIS

is "him".

13 posted on 12/16/2011 9:37:42 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I think I'll stay married. It may make me stupid but I am happy with my sweetie.
14 posted on 12/16/2011 9:42:03 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: Mount Athos

That dude should not mate!


15 posted on 12/16/2011 9:42:52 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This story must be based on research conducted in a lot of bars about 30 minutes before closing.


16 posted on 12/16/2011 9:46:42 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

17 posted on 12/16/2011 9:47:14 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
If it worked out for you, great! I'm happy for you.

3 strikes means I'm out. A remaining life of single quiet contemplation sounds good to me.

/johnny

18 posted on 12/16/2011 9:48:29 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks


19 posted on 12/16/2011 9:54:51 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I am sorry that it didn't work for you and understand your choice.

I'm still on my first. And even when he annoys me I still love him, like him and can't imagine being without him.

20 posted on 12/16/2011 9:59:46 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"That's a huge cost in terms of reproductive success."

Beer is not that expansive.

21 posted on 12/16/2011 10:02:29 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: James C. Bennett
In fact, you think, “Douchebag.”

In fact, I think, "Lucky motherf***er!"

22 posted on 12/16/2011 10:04:18 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I have often wondered how I come to have that beautiful girl marry me 51 years ago. Sure as Hades wasn’t looks or money, and she is still with me.


23 posted on 12/16/2011 10:07:54 PM PST by Sea Parrot (You know you might be facing your DOOM , if all you get is a click, Instead of a BOOM !)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Despite being at a disadvantage in the looks department, some men are able to snare a partner far more attractive than them through relentless persistence and overblown belief in their own sex appeal.

Well that explains in great detail how an ugly mug like myself marries the hottie that I indeed married. All this time I thought it was because I was smart and witty...who knew?

24 posted on 12/16/2011 10:14:09 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname

You know there is a saying as old as I am: Women will have achieved equality when they can look in the mirror, see a pot belly, stained t-shirt, and thinning hair, but still say, “Damn, I’m sexy.”


25 posted on 12/16/2011 10:20:08 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This will come as no surprise to the pickup artist/”game” crowd.


26 posted on 12/16/2011 11:55:11 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s not what you are but what think you are...


27 posted on 12/17/2011 12:36:08 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It wasn't until the third time that some conflicted female cowrker asked me if I would decease her husband that I got a handle on why my wife of 38 years and counting chose me. Because I love her...and training a new wife is so much harder now.
28 posted on 12/17/2011 1:21:54 AM PST by crazyhorse691 (Obama is just the symptom of what is destroying the U.S.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Despite being at a disadvantage in the looks department, some men are able to snare a partner far more attractive than them through relentless persistence and overblown belief in their own sex appeal.

Indeed. Sometimes it works ...

Given that your name is Callista, has it ever occurred to you that your husband may actually be Zeus, disguised as the Pillsbury Doughboy?

I'll vote for him. He's brilliant and willing to take it to Obama. But, seriously, we need to shed the baggage and keep the smartss. We need a Dark Horse!

29 posted on 12/17/2011 1:45:58 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE
.”If you dont get turned down a hundred times a night, you aint trying hard enough.”

And, on the flip side, if you are in a relationship and not looking, they also seem to flock towards you.

30 posted on 12/17/2011 3:46:11 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This explains why “no” doesn’t seem to be an operative word with some men...


31 posted on 12/17/2011 3:48:36 AM PST by Amberdawn
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To: Baynative

“...is that someone got paid to write it”

Prolly with some of yours and mine or our grandkids taxdollars to boot....


32 posted on 12/17/2011 3:51:17 AM PST by mo
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname

Studies find most men think they are above average in looks, intelligence, driving skills, personality, investing ability, “endowment”, and various other traits.

Testosterone appears to be an across-the-board distorter of personal truths.


33 posted on 12/17/2011 4:08:34 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There have been more women smile and make eye contact with me in the grocery store when my wife is with me than when I’m alone. ‘Splain that.


34 posted on 12/17/2011 5:08:29 AM PST by CPOSharky (The only thing straight, white, Christian males get is the blame for everything.)
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To: trebb

Isnt that the truth.


35 posted on 12/17/2011 5:09:55 AM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: CPOSharky
There have been more women smile and make eye contact with me in the grocery store when my wife is with me than when I’m alone. ‘Splain that.

Women can be viciously competitive.

36 posted on 12/17/2011 5:14:37 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Harmless Teddy Bear
... He misses out on a mating opportunity. That's a huge cost in terms of reproductive success."

The author appears unaware that present society is almost totally oriented around sterile sex acts or artificial reproduction, not natural procreation. Perhaps she's extrapolating from observations of lemurs, or some other primate with a survival instinct, rather than researching present-day human beings.

37 posted on 12/17/2011 6:57:57 AM PST by Tax-chick (Just let the people vote.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
There is almost always some beauty of one kind or another to be found in anyone.

Some people would have said that Hubby was plain and I was attractive 'way back when, but he always looked good to me because he is good.
38 posted on 12/17/2011 7:05:38 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Williams College
Mascot is the purple cow
“The fighting ephs”
Get a graduate degree in art history.
Democrats - they’re dumber than donuts


39 posted on 12/17/2011 7:10:02 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Unattractive men understand one important thing: a “no” won’t kill you. A hundred “no”s won’t kill you. And you only need one “yes”.


40 posted on 12/17/2011 7:22:44 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: trebb
And, on the flip side, if you are in a relationship and not looking, they also seem to flock towards you.

I think their thought is "If he's not in a relationship, then there's something wrong with him. If he IS in a relationship, then there's something right with him".

I experienced this phenomenon when I started going out with the girl I eventually married. I received a LOT more interest. Maybe also the guy who is getting laid on a regular basis seems more confident and less desperate, and that is a turn on for women.

Something like the old saying "A bank won't give you a loan until you can prove you don't need it".

41 posted on 12/17/2011 7:31:25 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Amberdawn
This explains why “no” doesn’t seem to be an operative word with some men...

If I took "no" for an answer, I would still be single. Persistence turns "no" into "yes" often enough to keep trying.

42 posted on 12/17/2011 7:45:56 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname

43 posted on 12/17/2011 10:53:15 AM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: trebb

[if you are in a relationship and not looking, they also seem to flock towards you. ]

When I was in college there was an extremely good looking guy in one of my classes and all the girls flocked to him. I never showed an interest and one day after class he stopped me to ask for a date. I turned him down because I was going with someone at the time.

It’s the ‘disinterest’ angle I guess.


44 posted on 12/17/2011 10:58:05 AM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: CPOSharky
There have been more women smile and make eye contact with me in the grocery store when my wife is with me than when I’m alone. ‘Splain that.

I would posit it's because you are not perceived to be a threat.

45 posted on 12/17/2011 11:10:56 AM PST by Nachoman (I HOPE we CHANGE presidents.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I was referring to sex, not marriage proposals.


46 posted on 12/17/2011 12:43:40 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: CPOSharky

Maybe they think your being married indicates you’re a good mating option, so they want to poach you.


47 posted on 12/17/2011 2:53:38 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Amberdawn
I was referring to sex, not marriage proposals.

So was I.

48 posted on 12/17/2011 2:58:13 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Any guy who persisted had better wear armor.


49 posted on 12/17/2011 3:25:37 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

It was more of a “No! My roommate is in the next room! She’ll hear us”, than a “Get away from me, you creep!” sort of no.


50 posted on 12/17/2011 4:16:45 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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