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Himmler and Heydrich: Hitlerís Lieutenants
NY Times ^ | January 6, 2012 | JACOB HEILBRUNN

Posted on 01/09/2012 6:57:50 PM PST by iowamark

In June 1942, Thomas Mann, who was living in exile in California, delivered a commentary on a German-language BBC radio program that decried the sanguinary actions of the Third Reich in avenging the assassination of the leading SS official Reinhard Heydrich in Prague. After Heydrich’s elaborate funeral ceremony at the new Reich Chancellery in Berlin, Hitler screamed at the Czech president, Emil Hacha, “Nothing can prevent me from deporting millions of Czechs if they do not wish for peaceful coexistence.” It wasn’t an idle threat. “Since the violent death of Heydrich,” Mann lamented, “terror is raging everywhere, in a more sickly, unrestrained fashion than ever before. . . . An entire town, that supposedly sheltered the perpetrators, is massacred and razed.” Indeed, to honor Heydrich and help create what Hitler referred to as “Germany’s Garden of Eden” in the East, the Nazis chose the code name “Aktion Reinhard” for the extermination of two million people, most of whom were Jewish, in the General Government of Poland by the end of 1943.

None of Hitler’s paladins did more to realize the Final Solution than Heydrich and his superior Heinrich Himmler, who ran the SS and the Gestapo. This pair worked assiduously to expand their influence from modest beginnings to the establishment of the most powerful and fearsome security apparatus in the Nazi empire. Now two supremely enlightening biographies, Peter Longerich’s “Heinrich Himmler” and Robert Gerwarth’s “Hitler’s Hangman,” show how they did it. Longerich is a professor of history at the University of London and the author of several books on the Holocaust. Gerwarth is the director of the Center for War Studies at University College Dublin...

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: adolfhitler; aktionreinhard; bookreviews; czechoslovakia; emilhacha; germany; heinrichhimmler; hitlershangman; holocaust; ibm; milhist; naziadoration; pages; peterlongerich; poland; reinhardheydrich; robertgerwarth; thomasmann; wwii

HEINRICH HIMMLER By Peter Longerich. Translated by Jeremy Noakes and Lesley Sharpe, Illustrated. 1,031 pp. Oxford University Press. $34.95.

HITLER’S HANGMAN: The Life of Heydrich By Robert Gerwarth. Illustrated. 393 pp. Yale University Press. $35.

1 posted on 01/09/2012 6:57:58 PM PST by iowamark
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To: iowamark

They blowed out Heydrich’s lamp in Prague,,, served him right.


2 posted on 01/09/2012 7:02:21 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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3 posted on 01/09/2012 7:06:00 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: DesertRhino

Himmler didn’t miss Heydrich, he always was suspicious that Heydrich had Jewish blood.


4 posted on 01/09/2012 7:06:18 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; CougarGA7

ping


5 posted on 01/09/2012 7:08:36 PM PST by iowamark
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To: iowamark

The New York Times pimping for Nazis again. They love all things National Socialist.


6 posted on 01/09/2012 7:14:28 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: dfwgator; iowamark
Himmler didn’t miss Heydrich, he always was suspicious that Heydrich had Jewish blood.

And the reason Himmler dispatched his personal physician to Heydrichs care may have been to ensure Heydrich did not recover.

7 posted on 01/09/2012 7:29:38 PM PST by fso301
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Hitler's favorite painter was Franz von Stuck; this painting was the model for Hitler's later fashion sense, right down to the cape he wore at the Nuremburg rally.
The Wild Chase by Franz von Stuck, painted 1889 (year of Hitler's birth)

The Wild Chase by Franz von Stuck
source:

The Psychopathic God: Adolph Hitler The Psychopathic God: Adolph Hitler
by Robert Waite

Hardcover
Mass Market Paperback
Unknown Binding


8 posted on 01/09/2012 7:31:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: fso301

I’ve heard those rumors, the only thing that kept Heydrich in his position was that Hitler loved the guy, even thought the rumors of his Jewish blood would motivate him to be even more ruthless, to in Hitler’s words, “kill the Jew inside of him.”


9 posted on 01/09/2012 7:32:39 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

That wasn’t the only reason Himmler didn’t trust Heydrich. In the multi-layered Nazi apparatus of terror Heydrich was head of the “Sicherhienstdienst’’(SD) or “SS Central Security Office. He kept the goods on EVERYBODY, even Hitler. Everybody in the Nazi hierarchy was nervous around him . It was felt he knew too much about Nazi bigwigs, things that might compromise them and they knew Heydrich was not above using blackmail to eliminate rivals. He ran a brothel called “Salon Kitty’’ and had it rigged for sound, lest some tidbit be given away by some Party member in a moment of passion. The were many who believed Himmler might have even set him up to be killed. Heydrich was a ruthless SS bastard.


10 posted on 01/09/2012 7:35:35 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: iowamark; dfwgator
Nope. These people will never explain the era in light of nazi neopaganism.
11 posted on 01/09/2012 7:39:08 PM PST by fso301
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To: fso301

I had also heard that on his deathbed, Heydrich was expressing remorse for what he had done, even going so far to request a priest to confess his crimes, even though he had left the Church years before.


12 posted on 01/09/2012 7:40:41 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: iowamark
Another interesting tidbit about Himmler

Heinrich Himmler's Remarkable Admiration For Islam: "It Promises Beautiful Women In Heaven"

13 posted on 01/09/2012 7:42:15 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
I had also heard that on his deathbed, Heydrich was expressing remorse for what he had done, even going so far to request a priest to confess his crimes, even though he had left the Church years before.

That's an interesting one. I hadn't heard that. Perhaps he never fully bought into the Valhalla thing.

14 posted on 01/09/2012 7:47:14 PM PST by fso301
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To: dfwgator

Hope his soul was wearing the flame suit just in case.


15 posted on 01/09/2012 8:00:01 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: iowamark
One thing about all this that has always bothered me. It's the low level of punishment that the mid-level Nazis received after the war.

I would suppose that had Heydrich survived the war and had been captured by the western allies, he would have gotten 20 years, maybe life, later commuted to perhaps 8 years or so due to “ill health”. If you look at many mid-level Nazis, you'll find that was often the case.

Of course, if the Soviets had captured him, that would have been a different story. Likewise if the Mossad had caught up with him.

16 posted on 01/09/2012 8:31:15 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right
Elusive Justice

We ordered this and watched it and it was pretty interesting and amazing.

17 posted on 01/09/2012 8:34:24 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: iowamark

Heydrich was targeted by the Brits and trained a team of Czech assassins to do the job. If I recall two were caught and killed, the third after threatening to wipe out the home town from where the assassins came from unless hr surrendered did ....After which the NAZIS destroyed the town and murdered all its inhabitants in retaliation...

BTW Who liberated Prague ? It was the White Russian Wheremacht Vasoffs Army ... What was left of 1 million Russians fighting on the German side furnished by Himmler who defeated the SS troops assigned to destroy Prague.... The town fathers in appreciation turned them over to the Russians where most were executed


18 posted on 01/09/2012 9:24:09 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Moses ..A nick name I received as a kid for warning another -It's a sin to tell a lie")
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To: jmacusa

The “SS Central Security Office” didn’t exist. what i think you’re referring to is the Reichs Main Security Office [Reichssicherheithauptamt], or RSHA, which didn’t come into existence until 1939, and was composed of the Sicherpolizei [Gestapo and Criminal Police], and the SD [SS Security Service]. Heydrich founded the SD shortly after he joined the SS in 1931. He was also in charge of the RSHA, and when he died, he was the Reichs Protector of Bohemia-Moravia [Czechoslavakia].


19 posted on 01/09/2012 9:24:31 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Leaning Right

Heydrich would have hanged, if he’d been tried at Nurenburg. His successor at RSHA, Ernst Kaltenbrunner did, and he had nowhere near the blood on his hands Heydrich did.

As for mid level Nazis, I’d suggest you take a look at the Einsatzgruppen trials. They hanged just about all those guys they caught, including Otto Ohlendorf and Paul Blobnel. In a similar vein, they did a real good job on the camp commanders: Josef Kramer. Rudolf Hoess and a bunch of others.


20 posted on 01/09/2012 9:28:49 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: DesertRhino

Didn’t do the Czechs much good. The hit was ordered by the government in exile in London [the Brits thought the Czechs weren’t doing enough], and the assasins were flown in. Aside from Lidice and a lot of dead Czech civilians, the principal accomplishment of Operation anthropoid was the almost total destruction of the Czech Resistance in Czechoslavakia.


21 posted on 01/09/2012 9:31:39 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: dfwgator

Heydrich’s grandmother married [her second marriage] a man named Suess. He was no blood relation to Heydrich, and although the name was a fairly common Jewish name, Mr. Suess wasn’t Jewish. And Himmler knew it.


22 posted on 01/09/2012 9:34:18 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: dfwgator
Himmler didn’t miss Heydrich, he always was suspicious that Heydrich had Jewish blood.

There is a funny story illustrating Heydrich's insecurity about that issue. Seems it drove him to waste a mirror one night:

Heydrich's ruthless diligence and the rapid success of the SD earned him a quick rise through the SS ranks - appointed SS Major by December, 1931, then SS Colonel with sole control of the SD by July of 1932. In March of 1933, he was promoted to SS Brigadier General, though not yet 30 years old.

The only stumbling block occurred as the old rumors surfaced about possible Jewish ancestry on his father's side of his family. Heydrich's grandmother had married for a second time (after the birth of Heydrich's father) to a man with a Jewish sounding name.

Both Hitler and Himmler quickly became aware of the rumors which were spread by Heydrich's enemies within the Nazi Party. Himmler at one point considered expelling Heydrich from the SS. But Hitler, after a long private meeting with Heydrich, described him as "a highly gifted but also very dangerous man, whose gifts the movement had to retain...extremely useful; for he would eternally be grateful to us that we had kept him and not expelled him and would obey blindly."

Thus Heydrich remained in the elite Aryan order but was haunted by the persistent rumors and as a result developed tremendous hostility toward Jews. Heydrich also suffered great insecurity and some degree of self loathing, exampled by an incident in which he returned home to his apartment after a night of drinking, turned on a light and saw his own reflection in a wall mirror then took out his pistol and fired two shots at himself in the mirror, uttering "filthy Jew!"


23 posted on 01/09/2012 9:41:09 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Leaning Right

“Low level of punishment for mid-level Nazis”?? You need to do some reading. How does 6,000 executions grab you?


24 posted on 01/09/2012 10:05:59 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: fso301

Standing at death’s door should be a sobering reality for all. How much more for one responsible for such despicable, unspeakable things. Try as he might he couldn’t kill his conscious, I guess.


25 posted on 01/09/2012 11:36:03 PM PST by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty this day!)
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To: PzLdr

Didn’t do the Czechs much good.
The Brits were very dismayed when the last of the group surrendered who may have collaboeated then executed ..It became a matter of trust with the Brits and possibly be why (as well as the strong pro Russian communist sympathys whom they didn’t trust) the only way one would know is look at the records which exist ...Plus logistics aircraft had great difficulty getting there.

One must understand the differences between the slavic groups in these amalgamated nations which Hitler did. The Czechs vs the Slovak, the Serbs vs Hervat (Croations) which he exploited. Today they are seperate identities which they allways considered they were.

One could even see what happened with the Saarland which went back to Germany after a post war plebicite at the same count 99%. I love the argument historians put up with this one .That if France moved militarilly into it that would have stopped Hitler. French knew they would lose but they kept Strassbourg and Alsass.

As far as Heydrich is concerned he was aware of the history of the place and the fact that Prague was the last seat of Roman Empire during which time one of its rulers created the Prussian capital of Koenigsberg. And conducted his court in that fashion. He encouraged classical music but excluded one piece, Smetana’s Die Mouldau. But a butcher Heydrich was.

There is a film recreation of the Heydrich episode that was I believe produced by the BBC but I can’t recall the title .

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26 posted on 01/10/2012 12:11:48 AM PST by mosesdapoet (Moses ..A nick name I received as a kid for warning another -It's a sin to tell a lie")
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To: RitchieAprile

well, God forgives. God knows, not us..


27 posted on 01/10/2012 1:24:14 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: iowamark

Oh no. Article is wrong. It’s Holder and Napolitano.


28 posted on 01/10/2012 1:41:39 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: iowamark
I recently checked out the Heydrich book from the library and read it. A very good read, highly recommended for anyone interested in that period.

No question that Heydrich would have been on trial at Nuremberg and would have been hung, had he survived the war. Several of the other defendants, when talking about Kaltenbrunner, said that he was nowhere near as brutal as Heydrich.

29 posted on 01/10/2012 5:48:32 AM PST by IndyTiger
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To: AlmaKing
Did you actually read the post?
30 posted on 01/10/2012 6:09:07 AM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: IndyTiger

They speculate he was shot with a bullet that was poisoned—some sort of germ warfare to ensure his death.


31 posted on 01/10/2012 6:13:01 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: ozzymandus; PzLdr
I'm not suggesting that every mid-level Nazi got off, but too many did.

Joachim Peiper was convicted of the Malmedy massacre, got the death sentence, served 11 years.

Gustav Schluter was convicted by a French court for massacring civilians at Maille. But Germany refused to hand him over, so he didn't serve a day.

Hubert Lanz was convicted of the murder of hundreds of Italian prisoners at Cephalonia, was sentenced to 12 years, served 8.

The list goes on and on.

Yeah, I know the tired old defense, we needed Germany's help in the cold war. But I suppose that's not much comfort to the relatives of those who were massacred.

32 posted on 01/10/2012 7:21:05 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: ozzymandus; PzLdr
To clarify my last post, my point is that too many Nazi criminals got off with too light a sentence, or in some cases no sentence at all.

Consider the examples I cited in my last post. Peiper only served 11 years for his war crime. That was outrageous.(But if you know Peiper's story, justice caught up with him in another form.)

And Schluter didn't serve a day for the deliberate massacre of French civilians, some of whom were children. Again, outrageous.

33 posted on 01/10/2012 7:55:03 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right

Peiper served 11 years for a crime he did not order and was not present at, and was later murdered by French communists.
How many Allied and Soviet soldiers were prosecuted for killing German prisoners? None. Victor’s justice, just like the winners write the history books.


34 posted on 01/10/2012 11:49:57 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Leaning Right
Some criminals went free or got off easy, some innocent soldiers were hanged or imprisoned. How many Soviet generals who ordered their soldiers to rape and murder German women and children were tried? None. “Bomber” Harris publicly stated that his goal was to kill as many German civilians as possible, and the brits put up a statue of him. Who decides what “justice” is? The winners.
35 posted on 01/10/2012 11:55:52 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus
Who decides what “justice” is? The winners.

Very very true. And as you said, no allied war criminals were ever prosecuted. For example, no Soviets were ever prosecuted for the mass execution of Poles in the Katyn Forest.

But that does not lessen the guilt of the Nazi middle-men.

36 posted on 01/10/2012 12:11:04 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right

I’m going to drop this thread before some DB chimes in and calls me a “nazi” for telling the truth.


37 posted on 01/10/2012 12:15:18 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

Fair enough. By the way, I agree with your mentioning of Bomber Harris. Had an impartial panel investigated war crimes (a Swiss panel, perhaps?), Harris surely would have gotten a look.


38 posted on 01/10/2012 12:23:08 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Heydrich died from perionitis, caused by horsehair and pieces of the the metal springs from the car seat that entered his body after the bomb thrown by one of the Czechs exploded outside Heydrich’s car. the Sten gun, carried by the other Czech jammed, and failed to fire. If the Germans had had penicillin, Heydrich would probably have lived.


39 posted on 01/10/2012 2:52:45 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: ozzymandus

Actually, “Bomber” Harris became the orphan of Allied victory. He was the only senior RAF commander not raisded to the peerage. And despite the heaviest losses of the British [at least by percentage if not outright numbers], bomber command was the ONLY major unit never awarded a campaign star.


40 posted on 01/10/2012 2:55:55 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: dfwgator

Heydrich didnt have Jewish Blood. The rumor was spread by a student of Heydrich father who flunked him. They sued the man and he lost. The SS did something like three investigations and found nothing amiss in his bloodline.
Heydrich and Himmler were very close. Heydrich was the loyal hatchet man that Himmler needed.
Both were cold blooded SOB and rightfully deserve their places in hell.


41 posted on 01/10/2012 4:00:37 PM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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42 posted on 01/10/2012 5:26:34 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: PzLdr

No I meant exactly what I said as per the research I did. The SD was a kind of Military Police within the SS and it was Heydrich who ran it. He had a massive file of index cards of nearly everyone in the SS. The average German wasn’t his real concern. The real power lay in who it was in the hierarchy he could get something on.


43 posted on 01/10/2012 6:11:43 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: starlifter

Certainly. What does that have to do with my opinion that folks have an obsession with Nazism, whether they are conservatives or liberals?


44 posted on 01/12/2012 9:11:59 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: PzLdr

Operation Daybreak....they actually have the full movie on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkwVGqqqSGE


45 posted on 01/12/2012 9:17:37 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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