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ROBERTS BOARD BLAMES KIMMEL AND SHORT; WARNINGS TO DEFEND HAWAII NOT HEEDED (1/25/42)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 1/25/42 | James B. Reston, C.P. Trussell, Joseph M. Levy, Daniel T. Brigham

Posted on 01/25/2012 4:36:43 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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1 posted on 01/25/2012 4:36:50 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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Selections from West Point Atlas for the Second World War
Malaya, 1941: Topography-Japanese Centrifugal Offensive, December 1941-January 1942
The Far East and the Pacific, 1941 – Operations of the Japanese First Air Fleet, 7 December 1941-12 March 1942
The Far East and the Pacific, 1941 – American Carrier Operations, 7 December 1941-18 April 1942
Micronesia, Melanesia and New Guinea: Japanese Centrifugal Offensive-Japanese Fourth Fleet and South Seas Detachment Operations, December 1941-April 1942
Luzon, P.I., 1941: Centrifugal Offensive, 10 December 1941-6 May 1942-Fourteenth Army Operations on Luzon
Netherlands East Indies, 1941: Japanese Centrifugal Offensive, December 1941-April 1942, Sixteenth Army and Southern Force (Navy) Operations
Southern Asia, 1941: Japanese Centrifugal Offensive (and Continued Operations), January-May 1942
Eastern Europe, 1941: Soviet Winter Offensive – Operations, 6 December 1941-7 May 1942
North Africa, 1940: Rommel’s Second Offensive, 21 January-7 July 1942
2 posted on 01/25/2012 4:37:55 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; GRRRRR; 2banana; henkster; ...
Raid Signs Ignored (Reston) – 2-4
Text of the Report of the Roberts Commission on the Facts of the Japanese Attack on Pearl Harbor – 5-11
Setback in Bataan (Trussell) – 12
Battle is Joined Beyond Agedabia (Levy) – 15-16
The Texts of the Day’s Communiques on Fighting in Various Zones – 17-18

The News of the Week in Review
The United Nations Face in the Far East Widening Japanese Attack (map) - 19
Twenty News Questions – 20
The Icebound Winter Front of the Russo-German War (map) - 21
The Russian Battle Picture Changes (Brigham) – 22
Answers to Twenty News Questions – 23

3 posted on 01/25/2012 4:39:36 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1942/jan42/f25jan42.htm

Axis offensive smashes British
Sunday, January 25, 1942 www.onwar.com

In North Africa... The British 2nd Armored Brigade is almost completely destroyed near Msus as the German offensive continues.

In Burma... Visiting General Wavell while in Rangoon, issues orders for the defense of Moulmein despite the resistance of the local commander.

In Malaya... British and Allied troops abandon the last defensive position near the Maur River. General Wavell authorizes General Percivial to retreat to Singapore.


4 posted on 01/25/2012 4:42:58 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Reston
James Barrett Reston (November 3, 1909 – December 6, 1995), nicknamed “Scotty,” was an American journalist whose career spanned the mid 1930s to the early 1990s. He was associated for many years with the New York Times.


5 posted on 01/25/2012 4:49:21 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.etherington/month/thismonth/25.htm

January 25th, 1942

UNITED KINGDOM: ASW trawler HMS Notre Dame de France commissioned. (Dave Shirlaw)

U.S.S.R.: The recommendation for Fegelein’s Knight’s Cross that was submitted by GdI Albrecht Schubert, commanding General XXII A.K.. The SS-Kavallerie-Brigade was located on the southeast front of 23.Armeekorps in the sector north of Nikulino-Polowinino-Saizewo-Dmitrowo-Sokolomo. The Brigade was assigned the task of preventing the advance of strong enemy forces that had breached the gap west of Rshev, towards the south against the rear of the 206.Division.

The Brigade foiled all attempts of the enemy with great dash accomplished in spite of heavy casualties. Not only did the SS-Kavallerie-Brigade defeat all efforts of the enemy, but they also led the main offensive attacks. In addition. they led the encircling and annihilation attacks which lasted for days.

During all the defensive and offensive fighting, the personal unshakability, exemplary bravery and constant desire to attack was shown by the Brigade Commander. He was able to complete his assignments with constant attack operations, during which he rallied his men behind him. (Jeff Chrisman)(233)

MEDITERRANEAN SEA: U-453 and U-372 were attacked in the Mediterranean by aircraft and damaged so heavily that they had to return to base. (Dave Shirlaw)

NORTH AFRICA: British 2nd Armoured Div. is destroyed near Msus.

LIBYA: Speeding eastward again, the forces of General Erwin Rommel, General Officer Commanding Panzer Army Africa, capture Msus. The weakened British 1st Armoured Division of 13 Corps, Eighth Army, is ordered to fall back on Mechili, leaving a detachment to protect the withdrawal of the Indian 4th Division from Benghazi and Barce. General Claude Auchinleck, Commander in Chief Middle East Command, visits Eighth Army HQ, where he remains until 1 February. General Neal Ritchie, General Officer Commanding Eighth Army, revokes the order for a general withdrawal of 13 Corps and orders the Indian 4th Division, over which he takes direct control, and the British 1st Armoured Division to counterattack in the Msus area. (Jack McKillop)

THAILAND: The government declares war on the U.S. and the U.K. The government of Great Britain, New Zealand and the Union of South Africa respond in kind. (Jack McKillop)

AUSTRALIA: The government orders full mobilization. The War Cabinet orders that “all able-bodied white male British subjects” between 18- and 45-years-old should be called up immediately for service. The central government also assumes control of all state budgets. (Jack McKillop)
By this date, the USAAF has received 112 P-40s from the U.S. with another 160 due by 4 February. (Jack McKillop)

The USAAF Far East Air Force’s 20th Pursuit Squadron (Provisional), which is preparing to depart Brisbane, Queensland for Port Moresby, New Guinea, is ordered to fly to Darwin, Northern Territory, as quickly as possible for duty in Java. (Jack McKillop)

MALAYA: Since Batu Pahat must be abandoned at once, Lieutenant General Arthur Percival, General Officer Commanding Malaya Command, orders the entire line in central Johore State withdrawn. The Indian 3 Corps is responsible for the withdrawal operation, which begins after nightfall. Meanwhile, the Batu Pahat defence force fights a losing battle for that town throughout the day. The Indian 11th Division commander sends the British 53d Brigade Group to the relief of the Batu Pahat defence force, but most of the column is unable to get through. To the east, Japanese attacks in the Ayer Hitam-Kluang area are beaten off. (Jack McKillop)

BORNEO: By dawn, the Japanese Assault Unit that landed near Balikpapan have occupied the airfield. Their advance southward, however, is slow as the bridges on the coastal road have been destroyed and the unit did not reach the northern outskirts of Balikpapan City until the night of the 25th. The Dutch garrison troops had been withdrawn and the unit entered the city without a fight. Guided by the lights placed by two traitorous native policemen, who had proceeded them, the Japanese Surprise Attack Unit lands just south of the reservoir at 0430 hours and sails up the river in camouflaged boats. No Dutch troops are encountered and while part of the unit occupies the area around the reservoir, the main body proceeds to the village of Banoeabaroe, arriving there at 1440 hours, thus cutting off the Dutch line of retreat. While the main body of the unit was advancing along the road to Balikpapan City, it ran into a Dutch military column attempting to escape from Balikpapan. After defeating this Dutch column, the Surprise Attack Unit proceeded to Balikpapan City. The city was completely occupied during the night of the 25th. (Jack McKillop)

BURMA: General Archibald Lord Wavell, Commander in Chief Australian-British-Dutch-American (ABDA) Command, South West Pacific, visiting Rangoon, orders Moulmein held. The 16th Brigade, Indian 17th Division, is disposed west of the Salween River, opposite Moulmein. The Indian 46th Brigade is ordered to the Bilin area. A lull ensues as the Japanese bring up reinforcements to the vicinity of Paan and Moulmein, on the Salween River. (Jack McKillop)

NETHERLANDS EAST INDIES: The advance flight echelon of the USAAF Far East Air Force 17th Pursuit Squadron (Provisional) arrives at Soerabaja, Java with 13 P-40s. They will undergo five days of theater training by RNAF pilots. (Jack McKillop)
Twenty five Japanese fighter aircraft land on Kendari Airdrome that was captured two days ago. (Jack McKillop)

COMMONWEALTH OF THE PHILIPPINES: On Bataan, the responsibility for the defence of beach area of southern Bataan passes from the Service Command Area to commanders of the I and II Corps. II Corps continues their withdrawal under air attack and with the Japanese in full pursuit. I Corps abandons the Mauban main line of resistance. The withdrawal of the 1st Division, Philippine Army, southward begins during the morning and continues through the night of 25/26 January. Diverting the enemy’s attention, other elements of I Corps press in on the roadblock on West Road from the west. In the South Sector, operations against Japanese at Quinauan and Longoskawayan Points remain indecisive. (Jack McKillop)

MIDWAY ISLAND: The island is shelled by Japanese submarine HIJMS-73. The submarine uses its 3.9 inch (100mm) deck gun. I-18 and I-24 surface off Midway Island to shell U.S. Marine positions. I-24 fires six shells, but the Marines return the fire and force I-24 to abandon shelling and submerge. I-18 is taken under fire before she can open fire and forced to submerge. (Jack McKillop)

NEWFOUNDLAND: Corvettes HMCS Summerside and Shawinigan departed St John’s to escort Convoy SC-66 to Londonderry. (Dave Shirlaw)

U.S.A.: Marshall directs Deputy Chief of Staff, Major General Joseph Narney, to draft a reorganisation plan for US War Department. (Marc James Small)

URUGUAY: The government breaks diplomatic relations with Germany, Italy and Japan. (Jack McKillop)

ATLANTIC OCEAN: The German submarine U-125 attacks unarmed U.S. tanker SS Olney, forcing the latter aground off Cape Lookout, North Carolina. Olney is subsequently removed from her predicament, however, repaired, and returned to service. (Jack McKillop)
During bad weather in the North Atlantic a lookout on U-575 broke his arm.

SS Culebra, dispersed from Convoy ON-53, was sunk by gunfire by U-123 ENE of Bermuda. The master, 38 crewmembers and six gunners were lost

Tanker SS Varanger sunk by U-130 at 38.58N, 74.06W - Grid CA 5435

At 0925, SS Mount Kitheron was torpedoed by U-754 and sunk by a coup de grâce at 0938 hours at 47.32N, 52.31W - Grid BB 6359 . (Dave Shirlaw)


6 posted on 01/25/2012 4:51:00 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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I have read more than a few rationales by current historians that pronounce that Kimmel and Short were "just scapegoats" and railroaded into oblivion after the debacle at Pearl Harbor.

I am of a different view: command means responsibility and they were the senior commanders. They were responsible for training the area defense forces and for operational preparations for the imminent war with Japan.

No excuses by latter day apologists can excuse the extreme lack of readiness by the naval and army forces on Hawaii (or for that matter, the Philippines). Kimmel and Short should have served prison time.

7 posted on 01/25/2012 4:56:27 AM PST by Chainmail
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
I have read more than a few rationales by current historians that pronounce that Kimmel and Short were "just scapegoats" and railroaded into oblivion after the debacle at Pearl Harbor.

I am of a different view: command means responsibility and they were the senior commanders. They were responsible for training the area defense forces and for operational preparations for the imminent war with Japan.

No excuses by latter day apologists can excuse the extreme lack of readiness by the naval and army forces on Hawaii (or for that matter, the Philippines). Kimmel and Short should have served prison time or worse.

8 posted on 01/25/2012 4:56:55 AM PST by Chainmail
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I tried to buy my copy of Broadway Stomach, but Amazon didn’t have any copies. Maybe due to overwhelming demand?


9 posted on 01/25/2012 5:02:13 AM PST by Sawdring
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January 25, 1942:


"Martin Luther's meteoric career advancement reveals the professional opportunities unleashed by the genocidal policies of the Third Reich. Though he never finished high school, Luther became an influential figure within the German Foreign Office.

"Luther's entrance into the Foreign Office was facilitated by Joachim von Ribbentrop, Germany's foreign minister.
A talented organizer who was extremely adept at Nazi Party infighting, Luther positioned the Foreign Office as a major player in the "Final Solution."

"At the Wannsee Conference on January 20, 1942, Luther arranged for the Foreign Office to coordinate the deportation of European Jews.
He clearly recognized that the Final Solution was a golden opportunity to expand his personal power base.
Luther's unsuccessful efforts to oust Ribbentrop in 1943, however, landed him in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp.
He died of heart failure shortly after the war."



10 posted on 01/25/2012 5:18:03 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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I am of a different view: command means responsibility and they were the senior commanders.

The Commander-in-Chief is, by definition, senior to both.

While not abrogating the responsibility of Kimmel and Short as the top local area commanders, I find it revealing that Obama-sized buses were available in Roosevelt's time too.

11 posted on 01/25/2012 5:21:06 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Why, yes. I AM in a bad mood.)
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Chainmail: "No excuses by latter day apologists can excuse the extreme lack of readiness by the naval and army forces on Hawaii (or for that matter, the Philippines).
Kimmel and Short should have served prison time."

Headline: "RAID SIGNS IGNORED"
..."ORDERS NOT CARRIED OUT"

By James B. Reston: "The disastrous Japanese attack on the United States' main Pacific naval base at Pearl Harbor Dec. 7 was due mainly to the failure of Admiral Husband E. Kimmel and Lieut. Gen. Walter C. Short to take adequate joint action for the defense of the Hawaiian Islands despite repeated warnings from the War and Navy Departments, Associate Justice Owen J. Roberts, chairman of President Roosevelt's special investigating commission, reported today..."

This report -- the Roberts Report -- was the first of many, not all of which arrived at the same conclusions.
Some reports put more blame on higher-ups in Washington for failure to adequately warn Hawaiia's commanders.

And the truth is, those warnings from Washington were vague and misleading -- none, zero, zip nada, said to expect air attack on Hawaii.

So the historical issue is whether Washington knew enough to have more adequately warned Hawaii?
The answer is, the case has not been proved, but there is evidence suggesting Washington did know more than they told Hawaii about.

Here's the bottom line: any suggestion that Hawaii received multiple warnings of a coming air attack is false in the extreme.

12 posted on 01/25/2012 5:38:55 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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Read the book “Day of Deceit” by Robert Stinnett.

Washington knew a lot more than it let on.

Did it know the exact time and date probably not, but they sure got rid of a lot of old and useless battleships that day while they saved the carriers.


13 posted on 01/25/2012 5:57:23 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Colonel_Flagg; Chainmail

By coincidence, last night the Military Channel broadcast an episode about the “first 007 agent” whose name was “Popov” and was from Yugoslavia.

He was a double agent working for the Germans & the British.

Sometime in mid 1941, he shared evidence with the FBI - Hoover to be specific - that the Japanese were interested in him getting info on Pearl Harbor and also were very interested in carrier based air strikes.

Hoover scoffed at the thought and dismissed Popov cuz he “didnt trust double agents.”


14 posted on 01/25/2012 6:03:16 AM PST by texanyankee
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To: Venturer
Read the book “Day of Deceit” by Robert Stinnett.

Now you've done it. Time to duck and cover.

15 posted on 01/25/2012 6:03:31 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Kimmel and Short were just a small part of the whole mess. If you want to directly blame somebody, the people who made the decisions above them were well aware that we were going to get into it with Japan. Given Japan's moves in China, everybody knew we would eventually clash, but the people above Kimmel and Short knew very well it was coming. They had radio intercepts showing it was coming, and those radio intercepts were never passed on to Kimmel and Short.

As a matter of fact, the US Navy's top cryptologist testified in 1944 that by December 1st, they knew Japan was going to attack. And yet this information was never passed on to Kimmel and Short before the attack. Folks defend the decision to not inform Kimmel and Short, but what the Hell is the point of gaining the information if you aren't going to act upon it?

People want to blame the United States and Great Britain, but the US and Great Britain didn't force China to invade and engage in things like the Rape of Nanking.

The Philippines were considered more important and were given more reinforcements over Pearl Harbor, because as FReeper Tallguy mentioned in another post, the Japanese were going to be desperate for oil, and the Philippines was in the way of them. That meant the US was in the way of Japan's needs. We reinforced the Philippines as a result, but the Japanese turned around and hit us at Pearl Harbor first instead of the Philippines.

Billy Mitchell predicted Japan would attack the United States, and specifically mentioned Pearl Harbor. He made this prediction in 1925, as part of a 325 page report for the War Department. He made a very clear case of why Pearl Harbor would be attacked, and that carriers would play a role.

But let's go further back - the war plans for dealing with Japan were made in 1918 or 1919, and back in 1905 there was serious discussion of how to get ships from the Atlantic to the Pacific quickly and just what exactly should be stationed in the Pacific. Admiral Rogers' 1911 plans were in fact used in the 1940s.

Regardless, we were going to go to war with Japan and everybody knew it. I had a relative who was a China Marine, thankfully he got out before December of '41, and he said the US Marines knew it, and the Japanese troops knew it. They talked to Japanese troops while they were in China before they were kicked out, and everybody knew it.

One thing that may have hurt us quite a bit - when the SS Automedon was captured. There was top secret mail from the British Far East Command that laid out all of the British air, land, and naval assets they had in that region, as well as what Australia and New Zealand would be doing to support Britain should Japan go to war with them. It gave the Japanese an edge - they knew that they would have some time as the Brits couldn't do much to oppose them at that point, and they knew the British disposition. They also guessed that the US might not be able to or want to defend British possessions.
16 posted on 01/25/2012 6:15:24 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Venturer
Read the book “Day of Deceit” by Robert Stinnett.

You don't even have to read a bunch of tinfoil books. Just read the official testimony.

Captain Laurance Safford testified in 1944 that the US knew by December 1st that Japan was going to attack. You can read his testimony, and you can read about Admiral Leigh Noyes blocking his attempt to warn Kimmel, as well as Noyes' blocking his attempts to warn Marines on Wake Island. By December 5, Washington knew it was imminent, and again, folks in Washington blocked efforts by people wanting to pick up a phone and call Hawaii. But even back in October, they had reports that Japanese were tracking Pearl Harbor ship movements, and this was not passed on to Kimmel.

Now Noyes was somewhat punished/blamed later on, but not to the extent that Kimmel was. And Noyes' superiors knew a lot of what he did, so it didn't appear that he was acting alone.

You read the official records, and you'll see that Washington knew, and they didn't pass it on. People directly above Kimmel didn't give him the information he needed.

If Kimmel had the information that the folks in Washington did on December 5th, you can bet that ships would have been moved out of Pearl Harbor and that all of the anti-aircraft and other light weapons would have been manned 24/7. Kimmel and Short may have made mistakes, but they were operating under an information blackout imposed upon them by Washington.
17 posted on 01/25/2012 6:34:10 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

LOL

I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but IMO Roosevelt knew what was coming.


18 posted on 01/25/2012 6:44:20 AM PST by Venturer
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Something to be considered is that Japan’s success was, in a way, a blessing in disguise.

If the fleet had been at sea in the vicinity of Pearl, ALL the battleships would have been sunk, and the loss of life would have been enormous. Most of the Pearl Harbor battleships were bombarding Japanese islands in a year or two.

Additionally, after having stuck his finger in Japan’s eye by moving the fleet to Pearl, FDR spent the rest of the time up to the attack stripping the Pacific fleet of its assets by sending them to the Atlantic. He then cuts off the fuel supply to a militaristic maritime power, and does littlee to reinforce Hawaii. Short ws an idiot, Kimmel less so. But both took the blame that should have been shared much further around.


19 posted on 01/25/2012 7:43:04 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Venturer

I have always thought Roosevelt knew the Japanese would do something [and wanted them to], but that the sheer genius of Yamamoto’s attack wasn’t what he expected. Nor was the failure of his commanders to anticipate better than he did, and meet the enemy at sea.


20 posted on 01/25/2012 7:46:37 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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