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SeaWorld sued over 'enslaved' killer whales
BBC News ^ | 2/6/2012 | BBC

Posted on 02/07/2012 7:58:22 AM PST by Sax

Five killer whales have been named as plaintiffs in a lawsuit which argues they deserve the same constitutional protection from slavery as humans.

A US judge is considering a complaint by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals' (Peta) against SeaWorld.

It is reportedly the first time a US court has heard legal arguments over whether animals should enjoy the same constitutional protections as humans.

SeaWorld's legal team said the case was a waste of time and resources.

The marine park's lawyer, Theodore Shaw, told the court in San Diego: "Neither orcas nor any other animal were included in the 'We the people'... when the Constitution was adopted."

He said that if the case were successful, it could have implications not just on how other marine parks or zoos operate, but even on the police use of sniffer dogs to detect bombs and drugs.

'Historic case' ...

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: peta; seaworld
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1 posted on 02/07/2012 7:58:25 AM PST by Sax
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To: Sax

What’s next? Dairy farmers being sued for enslaving their cattle?


2 posted on 02/07/2012 7:59:57 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar

Looking forward to dogs excersising there second amendment rights.. ccw for hounds????


3 posted on 02/07/2012 8:03:59 AM PST by goseminoles
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To: Sax

One question I’d always wanted to ask these bunny huggers, if meat is murder, are eggs abortion?


4 posted on 02/07/2012 8:05:02 AM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Hodar

dairy cows, horses, dogs, cats and any other animal.

Next will be repatriations.


5 posted on 02/07/2012 8:06:35 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Hodar
"What’s next? Dairy farmers being sued for enslaving their cattle?"

Exactly. How can you extend constitutional rights to one non-human animal and not to all?

Next comes reparations.

6 posted on 02/07/2012 8:06:57 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Sax

I heard this PETA attorney interviewed on the radio yesterday. Even though his arguments were persuasive, they didn’t quite cover up the fact that he’s a raving moonbat.

I generally don’t resort to name calling, but in this case, he’s earned an exception.


7 posted on 02/07/2012 8:09:11 AM PST by Tigerized (Occupy Wall Street? Go find the real culprits in the Capitol Building...)
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To: Impala64ssa
I'm being sued by my shoes, belt, and breakfast. The legal fees are just piling up. I'm going to need to set up a defense fund.

Everyone send me $5 to fight the PETA tyranny.

8 posted on 02/07/2012 8:13:46 AM PST by Sax
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To: Sax

I would send you a check, but the tree’s repossessed my checkbook....


9 posted on 02/07/2012 8:20:51 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Hodar

At issue here:

1. Courts have given standing to environmental groups.

2. How to overturn this fundamental mistake in jurisprudence?

3. In the mean time, why haven’t conservative groups created their own “environmental groups” in order to gain standing in federal courts? These could then exploit this entry mechanism to the courts to advocate for all sorts of conservative principles, whether they had anything actually to do with trees and whales and snail darters or not.


10 posted on 02/07/2012 8:22:08 AM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: Sax

Bet all these tinfoil hat moonbats support ron paul.


11 posted on 02/07/2012 8:23:55 AM PST by DeaconRed (Cold War Veteran. . . . US Army Security Agency 1964-1968)
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To: Hodar

All part of PETA’s plan to ban the eating of meat. And in case you want to know what a plant based food supply looks like. Two words, POTATO FAMINE!


12 posted on 02/07/2012 8:35:06 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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13 posted on 02/07/2012 8:36:29 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: Sax

Ask those seals how much time in court they get before the killer whale eats them.


14 posted on 02/07/2012 8:48:46 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Hodar

A-holes like this are ruining our Zoo’s, and now they are attacking Marine life exhibitions.

If the wheles have right , what about the other fish, and Ys, when they get around to it, they will go after dairy farmers.


15 posted on 02/07/2012 9:02:05 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Hodar
Yes, these people are going that direction.

Ingrid Newkirk, co-founder of PETA:

"I don’t use the word 'pet.' I think it’s speciesist language. I prefer 'companion animal.' For one thing, we would no longer allow breeding. People could not create different breeds. There would be no pet shops. If people had companion animals in their homes, those animals would have to be refugees from the animal shelters and the streets. You would have a protective relationship with them just as you would with an orphaned child. But as the surplus of cats and dogs (artificially engineered by centuries of forced breeding) declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship — enjoyment at a distance."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ingrid_Newkirk

16 posted on 02/07/2012 9:47:06 AM PST by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: Sax; All
“A Rat Is a Pig Is a Dog Is a Boy: The Human Cost of the Animal Rights Movement” by Wesley J. Smith.

He Gives a good account of what is going on here. He even did a CSPAN Book Presentation. This tactic of suing in the name of the animals name is one of the tactics that he has described them trying to use.

17 posted on 02/07/2012 10:13:08 AM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: Sax

Apparently, PETA doesn’t have enough to do.

Free Willie comes to mind. After at least 2 years of trying to reintroduce Free Willie to the wild, he was not accepted into any whale pod and died.

With liberal morons like PETA, it is the action and NOT the end result that counts!! They cause far more damage and harm to the animals they claim to protect than the organizations they sue!!


18 posted on 02/07/2012 10:16:05 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: brytlea

These PETA wackos believe that you and I should not be allowed to OWN a dog, cat, horse , cow, chicken, sheep , pig or ANY kind of domesticated animal. They are nuts.

The have stolen dogs from AKC dog shows. They have stolen dogs from responsible breeders.

There would be no dogs today without “artificially engineered by centuries of forced breeding”. What they fail to mention is that dogs live happier and longer lives because of selective breeding has eliminated many genetic defects in many dogs. What they also fail to mention is that the lack of dogs available to shelters has led them to import stray dogs from Mexico and the Carribean. Many of these dogs carry diseases such as rabies that have been eradicated in US dogs for years.


19 posted on 02/07/2012 10:30:14 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963

All true. The word has to be spread because most people don’t know all of that, nor that HSUS is cut from the same cloth (and does not support shelters but is a lobbying group). I think the real animal rights hard core are just control freaks, just like other liberals, only their schtick is non-human animals. But it’s the same old song and dance, they want us to do what they want us to do.


20 posted on 02/07/2012 10:39:07 AM PST by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: brytlea

How true about HSUS.
Most people confuse them with their local animal shelter such as the SPCA. This is done on purpose. They want people to think they are giving money to support their local animal shelter. However, they and PETA are one of the largest killers of dogs and cats in the USA. They do not rehome animals. They confiscate and kill them.

Also, the other great myth they continue to spread is that there is problem with overpopulation of dogs in the US. This is not true in general. Certain states in the south(AL, MS, LA, AR) have dog problems. However, in most of the country responsible owners spay and neuter the dogs. This has caused shelters, especially in the northeast, to import dogs from the Carribean because there are not enough dogs turned into the shelters locally. They make money on “rehoming” dogs. That is their product. They need a consistant supply to run their business.


22 posted on 02/07/2012 11:40:49 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963

Exactly. You know, it’s funny how the culture has changed since I was a kid. I know almost no one, outside of show people, who don’t spay/neuter their dog or cat. Few people want to live with an unaltered animal. Things have changed a lot in the past 30 years.


23 posted on 02/07/2012 11:50:23 AM PST by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: Sax

So if you keep a parrot in a cage, can you be sued for false imprisonment and denying the parrot its civil rights?


24 posted on 02/07/2012 12:18:36 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (Newt’s not a perfect candidate but Jesus isn’t running this year. - shoff)
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To: Fast Moving Angel

The fire ants will tie up the courts for years


25 posted on 02/07/2012 1:02:35 PM PST by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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To: brytlea

I remember we had a female barn cat when we growing up. We always had kittens to give away.
A lot of folks would let their intack male dogs wonder and do what dogs do best.

Now, we raise beagals that my wife shows at AKC dog shows.
We are shipping one bitch on Friday to NC to breed with one of our friends stud dogs. It will cost us between $800 to $1000(Delta airlines ,stud fee, vet ,shots)to have this litter assuming she deliveres them the old fasion way and not a c-section($750-1500). We will need to sell one to two puppies just to break even. We have had litters that we have lost money on. People do not have any idea how much work it is to breed dogs and do it right. It is a labor of love. We raise them in our home. They are handled by us everyday since they are born. They are never afrais of people. This is why our dogs are worth more than a dog that you buy in a pet shop. Are dogs will never end up in a shelter.

Most dogs that end up in animal shelters are bought at pet shops or are mutts that were the result of an accidental breeding. This is a fact that PETA and HSUS will never tell you. Many of these dogs have behavioral problems. They come from large commercial breeding companies that operate mostly in Ark. and Mo. These are the companies that supply pet shops. Very few come with an AKC registry. Most have UKC registration.
Pet shops tend to sell to people who are impulse buyers. We get calls and emails from peolpe like this all the time just prior to Christmas. They buy the cute little puppy and then get rid of it 9 months later when its a dog.


26 posted on 02/07/2012 1:22:29 PM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963

Unfortunately tho, PETA and HSUS et al have done a great job of “educating” the public to believe that any breeder is a puppy mill and every purposefully bred litter kills a like number of shelter dogs by denying them a home. Try having that discussion, even here on FR (I’m sure you have). And unfortunately the Dog Fancy has been their own worst enemy as well, in trying to help the plight of the homeless pets. I am currently not even breeding since I live in a county with a restrictive breeder law. My Champion bitch is a spoiled rotten housepet who will likely never reproduce. Not that SHE cares.


27 posted on 02/07/2012 1:57:25 PM PST by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: brytlea

We were looking at moving to another town here in NH.

I found out that the town only allows you to have one unspayed female. We currently have five. I guess we will not be moving there.


28 posted on 02/07/2012 2:39:48 PM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: Sax
This isn't about the "rights" of animals but the privileges of "liberals."

AfAIK no legislator has ever stood for election on the premise that animals have rights, and won. But then, only people vote, and only people are capable of understanding a vote or of counting a vote. This is all about "liberals" having the privilege to claim to speak for the animals - and if a whale, why not a porpoise, and if a whale and a porpoise, why not an ameba?

If it is self-evident that people shouldn't control whales, is it not equally self evident that whales shouldn't eat fish, or krill? And if whales are not to be permitted to eat krill, who enforces that edict against the whale, and by what right?


29 posted on 02/07/2012 3:32:54 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Sax
This isn't about the "rights" of animals but the privileges of "liberals."

AfAIK no legislator has ever stood for election on the premise that animals have rights, and won. But then, only people vote, and only people are capable of understanding a vote or of counting a vote. This is all about "liberals" having the privilege to claim to speak for the animals - and if a whale, why not a porpoise, and if a whale and a porpoise, why not an ameba?

If it is self-evident that people shouldn't control whales, is it not equally self evident that whales shouldn't eat fish, or krill? And if whales are not to be permitted to eat krill, who enforces that edict against the whale, and by what right?


30 posted on 02/07/2012 3:33:01 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: woodbutcher1963

Busy bodies abound. This stuff is happening all over the country. Hobby breeders didn’t start fighting it nearly soon enough, they never believed the American public would agree to it, but agree they did. In fact, they embraced it. The average person will say that everyone should spay and neuter their pets and if you ask them where one should get their dog they will say, “A shelter”. If you tell them if everyone spays and neuters in about 10 years there will be no dogs, they will say,”Well, there will always be people who won’t do it.” So, they want their pets to come from, well, the logic boggles the mind.


31 posted on 02/07/2012 3:44:15 PM PST by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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