Skip to comments.Agenda 21 Action Thread
Posted on 03/23/2012 4:34:41 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
A few days ago I realized that we who are participating on the Agenda 21 thread have amassed an impressive amount of data and links which are quite important for the educating of anyone who is wondering what Agenda 21 is all about.
There is absolutely no question in the minds of any of our participants at this stage that Agenda 21 is real, and is NOT a tin-foil hat conspiracy. There are quite a number of people on this forum who were way ahead of us, and have been quite patient with us while some (like myself) have played catch-up.
The link to the original Agenda 21 thread, with all the previous data, links, and discussion can be found here:
With this new thread, I am proposing that we continue our practice of collecting data and links to relevant articles, but I would also like to see discussions and brainstorming, advice, ideas, on WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT?? Nuts and Bolts. Baby steps. Giant steps. Letters to the editor. Letters to representatives. After action reports. Putting into practice the overcoming of the Delphi Techniques practiced by Sustainability Meeting Facilitators. Ways to educate our fellow citizens. Etc.
What say you?
Not all progressives wear the union label.
Sorry, don't know how to hotlink it.
I wonder how they describe/define the “new normal?”
The thing to watch for Valifornia is integrated resource management. This is a communitarian scheme utilizing climate change as a catalyst to place control of natural resources in the hands of unelected NGOs and bureaucrats. Say farewell to privately owned property. The water program is being rolled out this year and next.
I will watch.
GREETINGS AGENDA 21 WARRIORS!
Here is an After Action Report, YouTube review, and some related issues round up! If there are some urgent stories I have missed please let me know.
Wishing all of you, Thread Participants, as well as Lurkers, a very happy Labor Day!
1)Bucks County PENNSYVANIA - AFTER ACTION REPORT
Weeder sends us the following after action report! Thanks, weeder for your action AND for the report! What a mighty Victory!
Just an update from beautiful Bucks County, PA.
I made you aware recently of our success in getting our municipality to reject a resolution to designate our River Road as a Scenic Byway. In the course of our work, which was constrained by time, we were contacted by a like-minded representative from a neighboring township, who was incensed that his board of supervisors had just approved such a resolution by a 3-2 vote in April. This was done despite strident objections of residents who demanded more time to learn about the implications of such a designation, and its effect on property rights.
We combined forces. His concerned citizen group gathered with me for a few sessions, and together we printed flyers and went door-knocking in Lower Makefield Twp. to inform the property owners. This led to the overflow crowd at the next meeting, culminating in a 5-0 defeat of the resolution, as described in the newspaper article that I previously sent you.
The deal was: They (the concerned property owners of UPPER Makefield) would help me with the awareness campaign in LOWER Makefield Twp., which was successful, in exchange for my help in getting it rescinded in UPPER Makefield afterwards.
Long story short, we duplicated the effort in UPPER Makefield, filled the Municipal building to overflowing for the 8/21 Supervisors meeting, and they rescinded the Byway resolution 5-0! Scared the crap out of them to see that many angry voters in one place. Were 2-for-2, and the Byway is dead. FU UN! Agenda this, pal!
Here is a sample list of youtube presentations regarding the Agenda 21. Some people are for it. Some are saying it is a property grab. Others are saying the implications are far more dire. You make up your own mind.
These clips were brought to my attention by a beloved friend, and I took the time to view them. Of the bunch, I would consider only B, C, and D to have been worth my time. It is quite rare that I actually have the time to view video clips, so this exercise sort of confirms it for me that I’ll probably continue rarely viewing them!
A) Agenda 21 for Intelligent People This guy seems to be all for it. Did not listen beyond first 3 minutes. (Foul language alert)- Runs 9:23
Example of how our opponents do indeed load the browsers to articles/media which are in their favor. This was the first one on the search result list sent by Dear Friend.
B) What is Agenda 21? - Discussion of the RIO 1992 documents from Liberty News Network/John Birch Society. Profound reorientation of all human society - ICLEI Bribes/Incentives/Subsidies - Runs 6:08
C) Agenda 21 The UN’s diabolical plan for the world is explained on the Glenn Beck Show. (FOX NEWS) Uploaded June 23,2011
Discusses the UN Dept of Economic and Social Affairs Document, Division for Sustainable Development
From the explanatory verbiage under the video screen: There are people that want to transform America and put our problems into the hands of the rest of the world. The best thing we can do is link arms together, neighbor to neighbor and reach out to our houses of worship and community centers and take care of each other like God and the Founders intended us to. But a growing number of people are latching on to the idea of globalism... groundwork is being laid right now for government control on a global level. These people have mastered the art of hiding it in plain sight and then just dismissing it as a joke...such is the case with Agenda 21. What is Agenda 21? Find out on this video.
Beck discusses various individuals and organizations who are BEHIND the ICLEI. I found this aspect to be quite informative and helpful. Runs 14:18
D) Millions to be KILLED under Agenda 21! Henry Lamb and Michael Coffman expose Runs 10:00
I listened to the whole 10 minutes, and I personally did not hear Lamb nor Coffman actually say millions would be killed....however, it is sort of implied because of the severe control of the government over the people.
The title seems to be an exaggeration of the substance of the clip, but speaks to the fears of the implications for all of us if this thing is fully implemented.
Aside from the title, the clip is quite informative.
E) The Agenda 21 Death Map!!! Poor quality video. Shows the map of the corridors (I think). Speaker admonishes the viewers to be sure to look at the legends, which is where the information can be obtained. Agenda 21 is a 40 chapter UN document to reorganize the world around socialist command and control regulation. Why it’s a Death Map is not explained in the clip. It is not clear who the speaker is. - Runs 0:37
F) UN Agenda 21 quote ‘There will be no private housing’ Peter Schiff, John Stossel, Judge Napolitano
Uploaded November 9, 2009 FOX News Discussion of the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac Government housing Runs 7:46
Not clear from the clip who is the one being quoted; presumably it is President Obama?
The summary verbiage below the video screen points out that, Under ‘AGENDA 21’, (the Global Agenda for the 21st century), it clearly states that there will be no private housing or private transport. This is happening around the world at the same time.
3) Southern CALIFORNIA - Nanny State
It’s the mild, mild West as state gets ban-happy
Sacramento Bee ^ | 9/3/12 | Brooks Barnes and Michael Cieply, The New York Times
Discusses the banning of bonfires on the beach, plastic foam trays in elementary school cafeterias, psychotherapy aimed at making gay teenagers straight, carrying of unloaded rifles in public, male circumcision, nativity scenes... Nanny state on full display. Final paragraph zinger has to do with one ban that was instituted by the military in Barstow and Miramar which others in the state have not done.
Obama to Lose Yet Another Huge Voting Bloc?
The Western Center for Journalism ^ | Aug 26, 2012 | Miki Booth
Please note the post 14 by Tex-Con-Man which outlines the reason this is an Agenda 21 issue and article:
Excerpt of the post:
“I think Miki is missing the larger point.
This is more about the UN “granting rights” to a group of people within the sovereign borders of the US. In a nutshell, the UN wants to protect designated cultures from having to assimilate into their host country. This is a back door through our sovereignty...”
5)PLANTS’ RIGHTS (No Kidding!)
George RomneyRose Murderer!
First Things ^ | August 31, 2012 | Wesley J. Smith
I just saw a funny Tweet from @jimnorton, in which he condemns Mitt Romneys father for murdering roses when he placed one on his wifes bedstand every night. (Romney scored emotionally in last nights speech when he recalled that his mother found out his father had died because the rose was missing.)
Thing is, Nortons jibe is not quite as off the wall as some might think. Switzerland has, for instance, placed the dignity of individual plants in its constitution. The government then asked a big brained bioethics commission to explain why individual plants have dignity (they share molecular material with us), and the commission gave an example of a terrible immoral action. From my Weekly Standard column, The Scream of the Asparagus:...
Obama order targets industrialefficiency, emissions
Reuters ^ | 8/31/12 | Valerie Volcovici
“WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama issued an executive order on Thursday that would increase the number of cogeneration plants in the U.S. by 50 percent by 2020, a move that would boost U.S. industrial energy efficiency and slash carbon emissions by 150 million tons per year. The order is the administration’s latest effort to deploy cleaner and more efficient energy production in the country by working around political resistance to climate change and “green” energy legislation on Capitol Hill...”
7)MICHIGAN - Unions - (Related Issues)
Court of Appeals Says Union Power Grab Should Be on Ballot
Michigan Capitol Confidential ^ | 8/23/2012 | Jack Spencer
“The Michigan Court of Appeals ruled Monday that the so-called Protect Our Jobs ballot proposal should be put on the Nov. 6 statewide ballot...”SNIP
“If passed, the proposal would pre-empt Michigan from ever becoming a right-to-work state. Under right-to-work laws, employees are given the freedom to choose if they want to pay dues or fees to a union.
In addition, if adopted, it is estimated the proposal could repeal to varying degrees about 170 Michigan laws and numerous parts of the state constitution.” SNIP
Indigenous species acts are another part of it: cows, pigs, some grains, fruit trees, chickens, a lot of food animals and plants are NOT indigenous.
Thanks for the ping!
Harris suggests World P’ment replace UN Council
Member countries can make the United Nations (UN) fully democratic and transparent by carrying out reforms and restructuring, including re-establishing the world body as a World Parliament with member countries’ representatives as members.
Former Chief Minister Tan Sri Harris Salleh said under the Parliament, a Cabinet could be created incorporating all present members of Security Council with additional members to be elected by the UN i.e 48 members as UN Ministers with specific portfolios.
Presently these portfolios are being held by Director Generals.
Harris said that as suggested by US President Wilson in 1942, a UN Police Force should be created in addition to the UN Marine Police Force.
Both the UN Police Force and UN Marine Police Force are to enforce all decisions made by the World Parliament, and to be stationed regularly, he said.
“With the establishment of a UN Marine Police Force, then America can assign or second half of its fleet to UN Marine Police Force in Asia.
It is suggested the Admiral be an American and the Vice Admiral to be from the Chinese Navy,” he said.
The United Nations up to this day is guided by the Security Council, which may be necessary in the past, but after more than 60 years, most member countries numbering 193 were no longer colonies and were being led and governed by educated and civilised people.
He said therefore, these countries do not need any guidance.
Thus, the Security Council is no longer necessary and the UN must be restructured and reformed to match the present development of the people and the world.
“Make the United Nations the only authority vested with power and authority to solve country to country international finance, monetary and trade problems, he said in his proposal paper entitled “United Nations Needs Reform and Restructure Very Badly” that was emailed to all member countries at the UN headquarters in New York.
“Based on news reports overwhelming number of the member countries would like to see that the UN is strong, fair and just, a respected body where they can look for guidance and assistance,” he said.
Harris said Guided Democracy was now obsolete and that the world needs a completely democratic and transparent body - chosen by the countries for the countries and for the government of the countries.
Under the present structure, it appeared that the Security Council, consisting only of 11 member countries, is more powerful than the General Assembly, which meets once a year, he said.
He said the Statute of Convention of the United Nations, which was created nearly 67 years ago seriously need to be reformed and updated in line with the needs of the present times.
“It is unable to function effectively in the present world atmosphere.
United Nations should transcend nations become a Supra-National Institution, characterised by mandatory universal memberships and ability to deploy physical force for effective control.
“Such a supra-national World Parliament would entail a preponderance of political power in the hands of the supra-national organisation rather than in individual national units,” he said.
Harris said the World Parliament should be run like the American House of Representatives where member countries can submit any issue or complaints initially to the Cabinet and then to open debate in the World Parliament House. The Philippines, according to him, could then submit their case on the disputed area and China will do the same.
The Cabinet will prepare a paper based on both sides’ submissions and the paper submitted to the World Parliament for decision.
Once the decision is made, the World Government Ministry will implement the decision through either the police or marine police who are to enforce the decisions conscientiously.
Harris said the World Cabinet should incorporate all members of the present Security Council with an additional 37 members to be elected by the UN Parliament.
“The United Nations World Parliament ought to hold at least three sessions a year, and extraordinary sessions as necessary to hear debate and make decisions on any issue put forward,” he said.
China could be prevailed upon to provide the World Parliament location, in view its vast areas and resources, he said, adding a new city to be known as World City should be built for the benefit of all countries and the billion people.
The World Parliament might be able to resolve the South China Sea disputes where China was claiming sovereignty and had established bases and settlements including a special city, Shansa City.
The areas were also being claimed by surrounding countries, particularly the Philippines.
The nations of the region were supposed to work collaboratively and diplomatically to resolve the disputes without use of force and certainly without encouragement by some other nation.
However, the Philippines went to America for help, and America despite its subtle diplomatic action made a wrong approach adding to the threat in the potentially oil-rich waters.
He said the consequence of America’s statements was a response from China to reject shipments of bananas from the Philippines.
It was also reported that more than 500,000 Chinese tourists with confirmed bookings from April, May and June this year cancelled their visit to the Philippines.
The Philippine Government ended up unilaterally withdrawing its naval boats from the disputed area. “Can America do anything to force China out? China will not listen to any one person or nation, except to the voice of a United Nations - World Parliament,” he said.
Harris said it was also not beneficial for America to send half of its naval fleet to Asia in disguise as a relief for emergency disaster in Asia.
It only created tension in the region and making it more difficult for Asean, while nations hosting the American Force under the guise of emergency relief forces would not benefit whether directly or indirectly by China’s reaction.
It was also causing unnecessary waste of money and resources, he said, adding that in addition to the unpopular American Foreign Policy, the move by America on the South China Sea would cause further damage not only to America but also the Asian nations.
The perception of the Asian people is that America was destabilising the regions with the view of allowing American companies to sell arms to these countries.
“It is only just to put the dispute for hearing by the 193 member countries at the World Body and to make decisions. It avoids adversial approach from which no party can back down to a worldwide opinion that the parties can acknowledge and respect without embarrassment.
“It is expected that all parties would abide by such world body if democratically constituted including China. This will avoid if not reduce tensions among the major powers of the world.
“Abolishing the Security Council will pave the way to setting up of a World Parliament and a World Cabinet making the UN the most powerful and having full authority on earth,” he said.
He added that the establishment of such Parliament and Cabinet is the only way to save the world and to avoid genocide and other killings and the wastage of funds.
“With all round cooperation of the countries, everybody will be able to live peacefully and comfortably. There is enough land and resources for the future of 10 billion people of the world,” he said.
In order to achieve the aims and objectives of the founder members that formed the United Nations in 1945, the 193 member countries must at the forthcoming General Assembly move a motion calling for the establishment of United Nations Parliament and United Nations Cabinet, he said.
It is high time that the power and authority to resolve problems between nations as well as humanitarian problems be placed wholly within the power of the United Nations.
“The United Nations must be empowered to do so.
Veto powers of single nations must be reviewed.
There cannot be serious objections to this suggestion, except for reasons that are wholly selfish, suspect and unbecoming,” he said.
Harris suggests World Pment replace UN Council
Congratulations on winning your hard fought battles. Thanks for all the vids.
Thanks to the web site Democrats Against UN Agenda21, I ran across this article from an American Bar Association article on probate & property. The article is titled “Navigating the Political Challenges to Sustainable Development” by James E.A. Slaton. Check out this quote from the article:
“To us, hating sustainable development is like hating kittens,” Mr. LaFargue says. “It’s been hard for [planners] to say this is something we need to deal with because they didn’t see the connection.”
Here’s a link to the article:
They really hate any opposition to their agenda, so they hate the Tea Party.
AGENDA 21 Roundup
Here are some of the Agenda 21 and related articles and issues which have come to my attention. If you know of others of urgency, please post them on the thread and/or alert me to them for highlighting.
If you want to read more, be sure to do a keyword search on “agenda21” .... and please be sure to try to remember to tag relevant articles with the keyword as well!
My continued thanks to all who participate in the challenging of anti-freedom forces and situations.
1) FLORIDA SUPREME COURT ELECTIONS
This email came to me from a friend in Florida and I felt it was important to pass it on to you.
I suspect that many of us did not realize that in Florida our Supreme Court justices have to periodically run on the November ballot to get a yes or an no as to whether they should be kept on the court. They are NOT appointed for life as are Federal judges. The 3 judges on the ballot are extremely liberal. They were appointed before a Republican held the governors office. Of course, the Naples Daily News supports their retention.
IT IS MOST IMPORTANT THIS NOVEMBER TO REMEMBER TO
VOTE NO ON ALL THREE OF THE SUPREME COURT JUDGES RUNNING!!!
SHOULD THEY FAIL TO GET A PASSING VOTE, REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR SCOTT WILL BE ABLE TO REPLACE THEM.
THIS IS SO IMPORTANT PLEASE pass it on to your lists of all those in Florida.
See Posts 169 and 170 of the Agenda 21 thread
“Member countries can make the United Nations (UN) fully democratic and transparent by carrying out reforms and restructuring, including re-establishing the world body as a World Parliament with member countries representatives as members.
Former Chief Minister Tan Sri Harris Salleh said under the Parliament, a Cabinet could be created incorporating all present members of Security Council with additional members to be elected by the UN i.e 48 members as UN Ministers with specific portfolios.
Presently these portfolios are being held by Director Generals.” SNIP
Article goes on to discuss UN Police and UN Marine Police Forces.
Portlanders balk at ‘no parking’ apartments
KGW News ^ | September 13, 2012 | Tim Gordon
“PORTLAND — Residents of some Portland neighborhoods are asking, Wheres the parking? when it comes to new high density apartment buildings.
There are nearly 20 apartment buildings planned, being built, or already constructed in the past 18 months that do not include parking for tenants. The developments are on the citys north and east sides.” SNIP
4)GLENN BECK’S NEW BOOK: AGENDA 21
Will be released November 20, 2012
5)AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION - Probate and property
See post 173 of Agenda 21 thread
Heres a link to the article:
Video: The Three-Phase Process of How Agenda 21 Invades a City
Stop Agenda 21 in Texas ^ | Sept. 22, 2012 | Sovereignty International / Freedom 21
Stop Agenda 21 in Texas
Sept. 22, 2012
This three-part video series exposes the three-phase process through which Agenda 21 enters most communities and uses actual examples of techniques used by organizations to confront the process. Examples include what to do, and what NOT to do to resist or repeal the elements of Agenda 21 that may be included in your communitys comprehensive Land Use Plan and building and zoning codes. Narrated by Henry Lamb and produced by Sovereignty International, Inc. and Freedom 21, Inc.
7)ALABAMA - Alabama Adopts First Official State Ban on UN Agenda 21
WAY TO GO ALABAMA!!!
Alabama Adopts First Official State Ban on UN Agenda 21
http://www.blacklistednews.com - June 8, 2012 | Alex Newman
Alabama became the first state to adopt a tough law protecting private property and due process by prohibiting any government involvement with or participation in a controversial United Nations scheme known as Agenda 21. Activists from across the political spectrum celebrated the measures approval as a significant victory against the UN sustainability plot, expressing hope that similar sovereignty-preserving measures would be adopted in other states as the nationwide battle heats up.
The Alabama Senate Bill (SB) 477 legislation, known unofficially among some supporters as the Due Process for Property Rights Act, was approved unanimously by both the state House and Senate. After hesitating for a few days, late last month Republican Governor Robert Bentley finally signed into law the wildly popular measure but only after heavy pressure from activists forced his hand.” SNIP
Romney’s Speech at the Global Initiative Conference
micsak | September 25, 2012 | micsak
from w4women who posted this thread:
“I just watched Romney’s speech at the Global Initiative Conference and I was blown away. Foreign aid should be tied to getting people employment. All free enterprise - all the time. It was impressive. He even got a few digs in about Obama. It is a must see.”
Here’s hoping that this candidate has his head screwed on right about international issues.
9)NEW YORK - building codes and Amish
Amish, N.Y. town reach settlement over building codes
The Washington Times ^ | September 24, 2012 | Stephen Dinan
“A New York town has agreed to drop criminal charges against an Amish community that had balked at following modern building codes for their homes by adding such features as bigger windows and smoke detectors something the traditional sect members argued violate its religious beliefs.” SNIP
10) PARENTAL CONTROL and GLOBALISTS
Parental Control: Fight for it, or Lose it!
Set Our Children Free ^ | 9/27/12 | Tony Caruso
“In case you havent noticed, parental rights are under assault. Your ability to raise your children as you see fit without interference from the government is being viciously attacked as never before. The reason is simple: The Globalists cant achieve their dream of a utopian world unless they control all thought, and they cant control all thought without indoctrination of the populace from a very early age. They dont trust you with your own children, as you might infect them with the heresy of self-reliance, individualism, God-given rights, self-government, and liberty. Here are some examples of how these control freaks have insidiously infiltrated every area of our childrens lives that we parents used to take for granted.”
Anyone had trouble closing a bank account?
Vanity | 9/29/12 | nully
...”Are American banks under orders to do all they can to avoid actually closing out accounts?
Is this an effort to camouflage the exodus from the banking system, brought to you by the same people who stop counting someone as unemployed when their unemployment benefits expire?”
Smart Grid: What is the Cost?
Right Side News ^ | 9/22/12 | Rick Haymow
“The smart grid: Whats really at stake?
Look at British Columbia: Around the globe, citizens of all walks of life are invited to realize that were all now on the playing field of a corporate control end-game. Through power grid modifications and smart meter installations, monopolistic forces are currently implementing a highly-hackable smart system of wireless utility metering, monitoring, selling private data, and control of life in citizens homes.”
13) UN SMALL ARMS TREATY
UN Small Arms Treaty Passes While Media Sleeps
The Western Center for Journalism ^ | September 20, 2012
See post 2 for an image of Ben Bernanke’s - The Early Years
“Why QE3 Won’t Jumpstart the Economy and What Would
Thanks for the ping!
PapaNew has asked an important question on his thread about Alabama and I wanted to put it forward to the ping list:
BTW, which state besides Alabama look like they will stand up as homes of the brave and land of the free against this Marxist totalitarian coup détat?
(Im about to graduate from law school and am trying to figure out where to live. Were from California but am in school in VA.)
Thats a very good question. I know that there is a lot of push-back in Oklahoma, but dont believe it has reached legislative action yet. Texas, the same way. That being said, I don’t think you could go awfully wrong with either state!
Uh oh...just found this story. I knew our governor had compromised, but had not realized how terribly:
HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS:
Found this article from a Tea Party organization in Texas with a valuable strategy for discovering who are the local movers and shakers seeking to implement A21 in a city or area:
Here is a link to a Virginia tea party with a letter from Tom DeWeese of American Policy Center who is a big Agenda 21 activist.
PapaNew, you ask a really good question, and I would like to know the answer to that as well! I hope some of the Agenda 21 thread researchers will help us find the answer! Some may also wish to advocate for good states to settle in!
(PapaNew, you DID ask! LOL!)
I wish you well in your life-after-law-school!
A couple of days ago I caught the meterman’s attention when he was reading the power meters in my neighborhood. I asked him what he knew about SMART meters. “Nothing, other than what’s in the newspapers”, he replied. I asked him if he liked his job. “Yes, sure do. The wages are good”.
Then I asked how many meter readers were on his crew and he said nine. I asked if he had ever been to a City Council meeting? No. So, I told him that if he and the other eight people got together and started reading all the data they could find about the meters, got on the Internet and watched everything there was about Agenda 21 on YouTube.com, they would very possibly still have their jobs next year.
I figure nine men, nine wives or girlfriends, five children, thirty six parents, 50 friends and landlords could make quite a presentation at the next city council meeting. If 119 people spoke for three minutes each about the ills of Agenda 21 they might just have a chance at convincing City Hall they have made an error in allowing SMART meters into the community. I know they could get Agenda 21 banned because this group is expanding everyday. The city council would crap themselves if 120 people showed up all wanting to talk about the same subject! Especially a group that didn’t want to sit quietly while their councilman said past decisions cannot be retracted.
So, if you all were to keep your eye out for your meterman and suggest something along the same line as I have, we might just make a difference in what type of world our children play and work in.
Maybe hang a tag on your meter asking him to ring your doorbell so you can speak with him.
What a great idea!
Thanks for letting us know!
Did the crew people you spoke with actually respond well when you sought to enlighten them about what they were being called upon to do - and that their meter reading jobs would also be phased out?
CA is pushing back too, but we have an uphill battle. There are certain aspects in TX wherein you have fewer private property rights than in CA. Just go somewhere rural.
That's good news SCalGal since CA is where we're from and where we're headed. I know Moonbeam Brown is governor out there and a lot of people think it's the land of the munchkins, but there's a strong Christian influence in CA (it's where the 20th century's best president lived).
Hope for the best.
I can't bear to watch the debates tonight. I only hope somehow Romney pulls a rabbit out of his hat and actually upstages "The One For Whom We Have Been Waiting."
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