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No, a bunker will not save you from the Apocalypse
IO9 ^ | June 15, 2012 | Keith Veronese

Posted on 06/15/2012 2:55:06 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

No, a bunker will not save you from the apocalypse

1959 ... 'Time Enough at Last'

Everybody talks about the apocalypse, but almost nobody actually prepares for it. But let's say you're one of the few visionaries who actually plans for every eventuality. You've been stashing your supplies. You've built a personal bunker, or you've purchased your own spot in a communal "survival suite."

When the apocalypse finally comes — possibly later this year — will you really survive if you're locked inside a bunker? (Answer: No.)

Protecting against any 2012 scenario A thriving industry exists to offer structures that will defend against a variety of 2012-related events. These scenarios include pole shifts (and the earthquakes that would follow), electromagnetic pulses, and solar flares — along with more traditional scenarios, such as biological and nuclear attacks.

One of the most successful manufacturer of disaster bunkers, Hardened Manufacturers, speaks of the Maya Calendar as a reason why they've created their structures:

From our perspective as architects, engineers, physicists, future-scanning analyst and construction program managers, we view the 2012 phenomenon not as a question of the accuracy or validity of the Mayan date, but as a problem of shelter design optimization under severe constraints. In this perspective, we look at the anticipated possible effects and the design measures necessary to mitigate those effects.

Hardened and other survivor bunker building companies like Vivos and Survival Condo say you should have multiple backups of critical life support systems, air filtration, installation of an air-lock, and multiple escape hatches, to increase your chances of surviving a 2012-related event. These structures are not cheap — estimates from several survival shelter companies place a spot in these bunkers from $40,000 to $1 million. The companies also market their structures as "vacation homes" or unique corporate retreats, should a 2012 disaster scenario never arise.

You cannot plan for everything

There are some events that simply cannot be planned for, let alone imagined, among the multiplicity of possible 2012 disaster scenarios. A pole shift, and the ensuing tectonic movement, could lead to a chain of volcanic eruptions. The Yellowstone Caldera in the mid-western United States is long overdue for an eruption, with the U.S. Geological Survey closely monitoring seismic activity at Yellowstone National Park.

These fortified shelters will also have difficulty defending against strikes from above, as they are only prepared for a 500 pound (roughly the size of a small boulder) airborne impacts. Hardened Structures claim their bunkers will provide protection from the air burst resulting from a 100 megaton bomb detonated 20 miles away — but a ground impact in the same 20-mile radius would likely destroy the shelter, and render the surroundings uninhabitable.

The biggest threat?

"Hell is other people." - Translation of a line from Jean-Paul Sartre's Huis-clos

Many apocalyptic scenarios call for extended periods of isolation. With bunkers designed to supply and care for up to 1000 people, would you really want to spend a year or more of your life trapped underground in an isolated community, cut off from whatever remains of the human race outside?

What about the unforeseen psychiatric issues that would arise in the aftermath of the apocalypse, as people realize their extended family and friends are dead? Such an event would be akin to a bizarre psychological experiment. It's easy to imagine how the survival prospects of extremely bored people lacking distinct social ties could drop, the longer they're kept in a confined space together.

And then there would be the threat of other survivors — once all the local Wal-Mart, Target, and sporting goods stories have long since been picked clean, the roaming scavengers would regard any remaining shelters as a major jackpot.

Anyone searching through rural areas of Tennessee, Pennsylvania, Utah, and Texas (areas with a high proportion of these bunkers) could simply canvass the area with a metal detector, since these bunkers include EMP shielding, which requires a metal lattice. Construction contractors that worked on the bunkers, regardless of the confidentiality standards held during the building process, will also know the specific location of bunkers in the area. So the people inside the bunkers could easily become sitting ducks, waiting for a series of assaults from other survivors.

Lottery ticket

If you lack the desire or finances to build a structure for yourself, Surefire Living offers a program for qualified individuals who want to live to see 2013. Surefire Living is creating 10 survival sites scattered across the globe, providing a financially friendly option for those who cannot pay for an entire bunker with personal finances. Inhabitants are chosen based on their education and usefulness.

Surefire Living also offers a Lottery of Fate option. Write an essay, pay an $80 entry fee — and if you're chosen, you win a vacation in one of their facilities. You are not guaranteed you'll have a spot should the apocalypse arrive, but you do get a free concealed carry gun permit course, along with the chance to write an essay for eighty bucks.

Surviving the unforeseen

It's extremely difficult to imagine every possible disaster scenario, and prepare for all of them. Not to mention all the changes that every scenario would wreak on the world afterwards. And then there's the more basic question: if society as we know it stops and your family and friends are dead, do you want to go on living? And if you survive these initial events, will you live though the madness and chaos that will come along with the long struggle to restart society?

Luckily, Hardened Structures also offers a line of armored vehicles protecting against ballistic impacts, hurricanes, and EMPs. So if we find ourselves in a Mad Max-style future, you can roll out of your bunker fully prepared. Give me an armored car and a nice underground reserve of fuel. That, or a stocked submarine with its own nuclear power supply — but if anybody's selling nuclear submarines to private individuals, they haven't put up a website.


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KEYWORDS: aftermath; apocalypse; blastfromthepast; bombshelter; bunker; contrarian; doomsday; drstrangelove; fallout; itstheendoftheworld; postapocalypse; preppers; survival; vault13
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Henry Bemis ... Time Enough At Last

"No, a bunker will not save you from the apocalypse"

Bummer ... I'm going to go read my books!

1 posted on 06/15/2012 2:55:09 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER

Those photos are from the best Twilight Zone episode ever filmed, IMHO.


2 posted on 06/15/2012 2:58:10 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: DogByte6RER

having served on board a nuke sub, I’d prefer any rational alternative..


3 posted on 06/15/2012 3:02:57 PM PDT by brivette
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To: DogByte6RER
I may not survive but it won't be from not trying.
I'll go down fighting.
4 posted on 06/15/2012 3:03:08 PM PDT by blam
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To: gorush

Those photos are from the best Twilight Zone episode ever filmed, IMHO.


I agree.


5 posted on 06/15/2012 3:04:16 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: DogByte6RER

If the apocalypse is a financial apocalypse a bunker will be almost useless. Think about it, all your savings, worthless, the government paying it’s employees in worthless paper, a loaf of bread > $1000.00. What will you do? The power would be off, same with the food supplies. All civilized government breaks down. That’s the doomsday that this regime’s policies are bringing about.


6 posted on 06/15/2012 3:05:36 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: gorush

“Those photos are from the best Twilight Zone episode ever filmed, IMHO.”

I agree! We have a bunch of them on DVD and they’re always awesome! This one was my favorite too. I can relate to him not wanting to be around people and just wanting to be left alone to read some books. The end was a neat twist though.


7 posted on 06/15/2012 3:06:23 PM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: DogByte6RER

What if it is a supermegaCarrington event unlike anything in recorded history?

http://iceagenow.info/2012/06/catastrophic-termination-ice-age-video/
“Trying to survive a cataclysm from above, literally fire coming down.”

“Solar activity / instability at present is the highest it has been since the end of the last ice age,”* says geologist Robert Schoch, Ph.D., in this startling video from thunderbolts.info

“A major solar outburst could end an ice age, incinerate the surface of the Earth (leaving only large stone structures remaining). create deluges of Biblical proportions as plasma would evaporate water and ice which would later be re-precipitate, and the cataclysm would force survivors to seek shelter in thick stone buildings, caves, and underground,” says Schoch.

From the Christian’s New Testament Bible:

2 Peter 3:10

“But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.”

11 “Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.”

If your bunker (or cave) was deep enough underground you might be able to survive. Just how deep you’d have to be is something I’d like to know.


8 posted on 06/15/2012 3:14:58 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: MeganC
I'm sure this says something about me (duh) but ever since I was a little boy I'd indulge in a fantasy/daydream about being deep in space (out of solar system) in a one man capsule. I was traveling fast but that didn't matter because I was so far from anything that perspective would never change.

I didn't have books to read nor any other diversion. I was just there, alone, and no less content than I am now. Weird I know.


9 posted on 06/15/2012 3:15:20 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: DogByte6RER

You don't have to make it impossible to break into your shelter, just harder than getting access to someone else's resources. It's the same as the door locks on my home. I have picked my door locks (kids - oops), but I still lock my doors when I'm gone. Most criminals are lazy and would rather walk through an unlocked door than learn a real skill like picking locks. A series of assaults by other survivors? Not likely. Most zombies would rather go after urban apartment dwellers than try metal detectors to search for a bunker, or use explosives to break through reinforced concrete. Note: I don't have a bunker, but I think their value is being dismissed based on an inappropriate comparison.

As for surviving after SHTF, I feel sorry for those who would give up like this author implies. I intend to survive with my family, and I expect many friends in my area to survive too. Life is a beautiful gift from God, and I have no interest in throwing it away until He chooses to take it back.

10 posted on 06/15/2012 3:15:49 PM PDT by Pollster1 (A boy becomes a man when a man is needed - John Steinbeck)
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To: gorush

Ditto


11 posted on 06/15/2012 3:17:52 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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To: brivette

Thanks for your service. Imho, if an apocolyps happens, so be it. My job sucks that bad..


12 posted on 06/15/2012 3:30:49 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: goseminoles

And I know I misspelled it. Im sick as a dog and don’t care..


13 posted on 06/15/2012 3:32:29 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: DogByte6RER

I don’t want to be saved from the apocalypse If everyone else buys the farm, I might as well too


14 posted on 06/15/2012 3:34:19 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

2 Peter 3:10

“But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.”

Proof that Scripture supports Global Warming.....


15 posted on 06/15/2012 3:36:04 PM PDT by STYRO (Do not accept unconstitutional government as legitimate government.)
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To: Pollster1

My family and selected friends are doing everything possible to prepare, including food 3+ years, water supply, septic (if you lose electric, toilets won’t work. The author is correct in that people are your greatest concern. That is why you need a bug out house if you can (ours is 1.5 hours away from the city and we stored our food in multiple locations.)However, the dictator in chief could come and get it if they wanted to, so there is no total protection.


16 posted on 06/15/2012 3:38:52 PM PDT by richardtavor
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To: STYRO

That’s the kind of global warming that you can believe in!


17 posted on 06/15/2012 3:38:52 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: DogByte6RER

The author has an awful lot of difficulty with plurals for such a purportedly learned individual.

I don’t have a “bunker” myself, but wouldn’t begrudge someone who did. What with all these potential bunker failure scenarios listed in such great detail, one might get the impression that the learned author believes such scenarios won’t befall those without one.

What’s the old saying, “you makes your bets and you takes your chances.”


18 posted on 06/15/2012 3:44:13 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: YankeeReb

True. The only benefit of prepping is if you’re in a situation like Greece’s collapse and already self-sufficient with food, water, etc. The lack of money doesn’t matter because you don’t need it.


19 posted on 06/15/2012 3:46:23 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: DogByte6RER; All

All this reminds me of a great movie, “Blast From the Past’ (1997) with Sissy Spacek, Christopher Walken
Brendan Fraser, and Alicia Silverstone.
It’s a LOL comedy about a naive man, Brendan Fraser, who has been brought up with a 60’s lifestyle (in an underground shelter with only his parents) for 35 years and suddenly finds himself in the virtually alien civilisation of the late 90’s.
Anybody see it?


20 posted on 06/15/2012 3:46:30 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: DogByte6RER
Survive we will.
21 posted on 06/15/2012 3:58:52 PM PDT by Errant
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To: DogByte6RER
would you really want to spend a year or more of your life trapped underground in an isolated community, cut off from whatever remains of the human race outside?

Heck, I could do that now. This guy singlehandedly makes me want to survive any apocalypse just to poke him in the eye.

Nothing but flowers

22 posted on 06/15/2012 4:01:42 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: patriot08

That was a good movie. I’m surprised they don’t show it more often.


23 posted on 06/15/2012 4:07:24 PM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: Average Al

I love the actors in it.
Walken, Spacek and Fraser were hilarious.


24 posted on 06/15/2012 4:10:58 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Vince Ferrer
would you really want to spend a year or more of your life trapped underground in an isolated community, cut off from whatever remains of the human race outside?

People have and for much longer.

25 posted on 06/15/2012 4:11:44 PM PDT by Errant
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To: patriot08

I loved that movie. I remember his dad set up a projector with old TV shows where they watched “I Love Lucy” and others. BTW, being an amateur history buff, if I saw the “Ipana” toothpaste, that would be a dead clue to me too.


26 posted on 06/15/2012 4:12:44 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Maybe, then again maybe not.

Sure would be nice to have options.


27 posted on 06/15/2012 4:13:34 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

"The lord may be smilin' on the sheeps, but they still wind up as lamb chops."

28 posted on 06/15/2012 4:20:57 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: DogByte6RER
The Escape Pod.


29 posted on 06/15/2012 4:26:00 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: richardtavor

“That is why you need a bug out house”
___________________________________________

Yes, if you live in a big city, especially one like Memphis, which has high minority population, a house in the mountains of middle or east Tennessee would be nice, provided you can escape in time, and get to it, but that is a big if, especially if you live in a city like Chicago or Detroit.

As for myself, I have already bugged out and live on the other side of the world.
Third world life has one big advantage in that everyone already lives a subsistence life. In other words, one can live on almost nothing, and will never be cold.
While I live on a beach, I can be on a 3000 foot mountain
in a matter of minutes, and there is no shortage of fruits, vegies, fish, and meat.

By the way....What kind of toilet do you have that requires electricity?????


30 posted on 06/15/2012 4:26:19 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: All
Another movie of a related type was Goliath Awaits made in 1981. It was about a British ship torpedoed by the Germans in 1939 and sunk. The ship remained airtight so the people kept on living in their own society until they were discovered in the early 1980's. Not exactly a post-apocalyptic genre but it is sort of related to our discussion.
31 posted on 06/15/2012 4:27:30 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Nowhere Man

Yeah. LOL


32 posted on 06/15/2012 4:34:31 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: DogByte6RER
One of my favorite lines from “Gladiator”: “Stick together! If we stick together, we will survive!” That's the key. The “lone wolf” survivor alone in his bunker or distant isolated redoubt will inevitably be outnumbered, overrun and defeated by marauding bands. The European landscape is littered with the remnants of broken castles and shattered defenses, going back for centuries. Defense and isolationism is not a winning strategy. Form communities of like minded people. Share skill sets. Form alliances. Establish craftmens guilds. That's how you survive.
33 posted on 06/15/2012 4:36:19 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: DogByte6RER

34 posted on 06/15/2012 4:45:25 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: YankeeReb

I think the idea is to have long term food supplies stored in the bunker.


35 posted on 06/15/2012 5:01:31 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: patriot08
I caught it channel surfing a few years ago. I thought it was a pretty creative story line.
36 posted on 06/15/2012 5:01:50 PM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: JoeProBono

Heinlein’s “Farnham’s Freehold” just might be the ultimate bug-out book..and it’s also a laugh-riot. Highly recommended!!


37 posted on 06/15/2012 5:04:04 PM PDT by Radagast the Fool ("Be Brave! Be Brave! Be Brave!" -"War Horse")
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To: gorush
It's extremely difficult to imagine every possible disaster scenario, and prepare for all of them

But I can prepare for some. I may not need them, but I have insurance and carry a spare tire.

Agreed, that Twilight episode was great.

38 posted on 06/15/2012 5:06:21 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Nowhere Man

I remember that movie and liked it even though I was around 11 at the time.


39 posted on 06/15/2012 5:17:19 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: DogByte6RER

It will be God, we just have to have faith.

Prophesied now and you see from the past.

~ ~ ~

January 13, 2004
Jesus said: “My people, crime levels in your cities are
rising again mostly because of drug trafficking. As people are
making less on lower paying jobs, personal budgets are becoming
strained for the bare necessities. Others, that are getting
assistance, are finding it harder to get funding as governments
are cutting back on health care and rent subsidies. As people
find it hard to survive, they resort to stealing for food and
even fuel to keep warm. As the one world people come closer to
controlling buying and selling by chips in smart cards and in
the body, there is another threat to My faithful to be outlaws
for not taking these chips, nor going along with the one world
order. My remnant will be suffering persecution when they try
to force chips in the body on everyone. Rely on what you have
set aside for a while. Then you will have to go to My refuges
for safety from being imprisoned in detention centers for your
faith. The one world people will say you are violating their
laws because you are storing food and avoiding chips. Fear not
these evil ones and trust and hope only in what I will provide
for you.”

When you see these thing happen, In the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ, call on your guardian angel to guide you and your family to the nearest refuge. Some of them will be caves. All in God’s Will, there will be martyrs for the faith.

Thursday, May 3, 2012: (Sts. Philip & James)
Jesus said: “My people, at times you receive CRITICISM for talking about refuges where some say they are not in the Bible. At this point in time in non-communist countries you are not openly persecuted to the point of martyrdom for your faith. Yet in the Early Church, Christians were being martyred, so that they practiced their faith secretly in the catacombs. Even the prophets were threatened with death because the people did not want to hear the prophet’s words of repentance for their sins. As a result Elijah hid in a cave at Mt. Carmel in Haifa, Israel to avoid being killed. As in this vision, I even told you that where necessary, My angels would carve out caves for your safe havens. I am giving you a message of hope during the tribulation that My angels will protect you at My refuges by making you invisible to your persecutors. You will have to leave your homes, if THEY ARE NOT refuges, so you can be led by your guardian angels to your safe havens. I will provide for your food and shelter, and My angels will defend you from the evil ones.”

http://www.johnleary.com


40 posted on 06/15/2012 5:27:31 PM PDT by stpio
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To: DogByte6RER

FRiends, an apocalypse will never leave us without gub’mint. If history teaches anything, it is that people will take any form of control over chaos. The EOTWAWKI basic script is rooted in Hollywood movies starring the lone man v. the hordes of evil doers. Police will obey whomever feeds them and their families. The military may fragment, but our beloved leader is busy loading it with street scum and they will serve their master. The apocalypse window after any event will be fairly brief with the exception of a nuclear erasure of the east coast.

You want coverage? Try Proverbs 3: 5,6.


41 posted on 06/15/2012 5:37:16 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: All

“As a result Elijah hid in a cave at Mt. Carmel in Haifa, Israel to avoid being killed.”

From the Catholic prophecy I just posted. God doesn’t
change. The “refuges” are spoken of in Scripture and remember the catacombs...refuges for the first Christians.


42 posted on 06/15/2012 5:42:52 PM PDT by stpio
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To: patriot08

A howlingly funny movie. One of the best in a long, long time.


43 posted on 06/15/2012 5:43:12 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: goseminoles

“Thanks for your service. Imho, if an apocolyps happens, so be it. My job sucks that bad..”
*****************************************************************
Don’t worry, if it happens you may well be one of the handful of survivors -—————— you and your boss!


44 posted on 06/15/2012 5:57:40 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: YankeeReb

“If the apocalypse is a financial apocalypse a bunker will be almost useless. “

The military has them, and some civilians have them done right.

Properly outfitted, you can maintain a decent environment for a year or longer in relative comfort - with power, water, hot showers, clean clothes, the whole shebang.

The scenarios can be pretty far fetched - EMP, Bird Flu/pandemic, financial collapse/chaos, nuclear fallout - but it IS possible to mitigate them, or some of them, if you want to do it.

It can be done - but maintaining a low profile in your chosen environment is the tough part.


45 posted on 06/15/2012 6:19:56 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: gorush; unkus

Ok I’ll bite! Wht season/episode? I’m watching the shelter one on netflix!


46 posted on 06/15/2012 7:24:14 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (In the post-Zimmerman world, it may become prudent to carry a drop weapon if you CCW.)
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To: DCBryan1
Time Enough at Last, Season 1, Episode 8
47 posted on 06/15/2012 7:28:54 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: DCBryan1

I could tell you neither year nor episode, but it’s worth seeking out. Burgess Meridith was in a few episodes, I believe, but that’s a good place to start in your search engine. He plays a bank teller that is distracted by his love of reading. The world, for a moment, is benevolent...but fickle.


48 posted on 06/15/2012 7:31:07 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: DCBryan1

Ok I’ll bite! Wht season/episode? I’m watching the shelter one on netflix!


I don’t remember the name or season. It’s been years since I last saw it.

Berges Meredith worked deep down in a bank vault. He would

read when he was supposed to be working. He wore very

thick glasses and after the nuclear war he came upon a

large library and was in book heaven. Then he had a mishap

that ruined the rest of his life.

Try YouTube-”Bergess Meredith” But he was in at least two Twilight Zone episodes.

Let me know if you want to know how it ended. I don’t want to spoil it for you now.


49 posted on 06/15/2012 7:36:13 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: JoeProBono

That’s the saddest moment in cinema...right up there with the demise of Ol’ Yeller.


50 posted on 06/15/2012 7:38:20 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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