Posted on 06/27/2012 8:48:55 PM PDT by djone
"An Evansville, Indiana SWAT team recently attempted to execute a search warrant that was issued to make an example out of an anonymous Internet user who made malicious remarks on the Web. Instead, they destroyed the home of an innocent grandmother"....Flash-bangs thru a window, even when the front door was open...invited TV crew to be on hand....can't find search warrant -says producing the search warrent could "compromise the investigation"..
(Excerpt) Read more at rt.com ...
There is a rather simple solution to this growing problem...make the cops lay out a $5 million dollar bond on the accuracy of their plan. This would involve a commercial evaluation of the cops and their potential screw-ups...with a fee put down for each and every raid. Then I’d take the five million and hand it that day over to the wronged victim. The cops involved? Well...the city council would start to ask about the cost factor of raids, and then eventually get involved in what was only a cop operation before.
The thing here....is if you go back to before the 1970s...we simply did not have raids. There’s been this massive growth since the 1980s for each community’s cops to run raids. I wouldn’t have an issue if this was done in daylight hours, but it’s now mostly always in the evening.
The comical side of this is that cops will insist that the raids are having an effect on drug sales in each community. If true, then the cost factor would be increasing. Take note, over the years, illegal drug cost really hasn’t ever been affected by one, or ten, or a hundred, or a thousand raids. If you remove one salesman, you simply are opening up the door for another salesman to enter...it is that simple.
Did they at least manage to shoot a puppy or kitten?
Well, the traditional SWATing technique is to spoof your caller-ID as that of the target while calling emergency line of of the PD covering the target. (This is similar to the technique Prince Rupert's minions used to hack into those UK voice-mail boxes — the carrier relied on caller-id instead of needing a password to access the target's voicemail.)
In the case of traditional SWATing, all of the responsibility falls upon the perp, the PD and the phone carrier and none on the victim.
In the case you site, running an unsecured access point just invites trouble, doesn't it? Although, as a juror in the probable civil case, I'd still be prepared to bankrupt the PD's jurisdiction if anybody got killed, no matter the AP owner's idiocy!
There's obviously not much for them to do at home.
I entered the military two weeks after graduation and never ending up kicking anyone's door in. Then again, I've been told by the wife that I have authority issues anyway. But I've seen more than a fair share of local law enforcement officers that never stepped into a recruiter's office, let alone the military.
The problem is that far too many police departments are over equipped than is necessary for their needs. So when they get a call, they feel compelled to grab their cool looking gear and run out to play Rambo. After all, if they don't use it, it sure is hard to justify needing more.
I used to see alot of these Rambo types when I was teaching Martial Arts in Northeast PA. A few of them were invited to "NOT" come back as a result of their of attitudes. As the saying goes, "A fish rots from the HEAD down."
Some time back a neighbor and I were chatting and he brought up a incident he had read about on the internet. he asked me what I knew about it and I told him that I knew just as much as he did since I wasn’t there and he wasn’t either.
He then said something that has bothered me since then. He said there have always been gangs around in the United States going all the way back to the early colonial days. But today the Gang he fears the most is not the Crips or the Bloods or MS-13, no today he fears the Police the most. Because they don’t seem to care about the results of their actions and they don’t seem to get punished by the legal system. And most of all because they are the most heavily armed of the gangs and seem to love using the stuff the most.
I kind of agreed but then I told him it might be better for his blood pressure to start reading a book in the evening rather than watching the news or browsing the ‘net’.
SWATting. That is the only thing this could be. Anybody in that house have an sociopathic enemy?
You just hit the nail on the head....
A judge has to sign off on these warrants....
A judge needs to see the “probable cause”
Yet, these here judges just keep getting re-elected...
Until the population wakes the hell up, and changes out all the politicians (including judges) every 4 years, this will continue to go on and on...
"Look! The door is open...could be a trap!...better throw the grenades!"
Ya beat me to it. My brain read “disparaging” but my eyes saw “discouraging.”
Perhaps some enterprising lawyers are thinking “Rules for Reactionaries.”
Maybe they’ve thought of lawyering up appropriately a client and then swatting themselves for a big payday? I’m not saying it was aliens who called....but it was aliens.
Given the current state of our ridiculously litigious society in America, this scenario makes the most sense.
Let's say someone really does want to kill a bunch of cops and isn't particularly worried about, or even interested in, surviving the encounter. One real easy way to do it would be to set up a nice, strong position with a view towards entrances, and simply 'swat' yourself. You'll get a bunch of 'roided up thugs piling right in your front door that can be taken out quite effectively with a .308. From what I've seen of these raids, a calm shooter could take out 5 or 6 of these thugs before they even knew what happened. You could probably also rely on some additional 'friendly fire' hits as well.
If you think about it just a little bit, the stated reason for these types of raids don't make sense at all.
Let's say someone really does want to kill a bunch of cops and isn't particularly worried about, or even interested in, surviving the encounter. One real easy way to do it would be to set up a nice, strong position with a view towards entrances, and simply 'swat' yourself. You'll get a bunch of 'roided up thugs piling right in your front door that can be taken out quite effectively with a .308. From what I've seen of these raids, a calm shooter could take out 5 or 6 of these thugs before they even knew what happened. You could probably also rely on some additional 'friendly fire' hits as well.
If you think about it just a little bit, the stated reason for these types of raids don't make sense at all.
“I entered the military two weeks after graduation and never ending up kicking anyone’s door in. Then again, I’ve been told by the wife that I have authority issues anyway. But I’ve seen more than a fair share of local law enforcement officers that never stepped into a recruiter’s office, let alone the military.”
I didn’t wait until graduation. My post wasn’t a criticism of young kids who enter the military. It was more a plea for them to try a normal life before going into law enforcement—those who choose to do that. Even without military experience, law enforcement is not a job for young kids who think battering down someone’s door is cool. They should grow up a little; pay for a door of their own; know people who would be frightened by having their door battered down. At least let them mature enough to understand that government shouldn’t abuse force just because it can, and cops shouldn’t abuse power because they can.
We need a SWAT team to do THIS ????
This is insanity!!
“a search warrant that was issued to make an example out of”
This is truly frightening. When did the warrant process morf into a way to make an example out of anyone?
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