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Gun Talk 7-15-2012
Gun Talk ^ | 7-15-12 | Tom Gresham

Posted on 07/15/2012 5:54:15 PM PDT by smokingfrog

~~Come on in and shoot the breeze~~

Gun Talk Radio

7/15/12~~07:00 CST

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Hobbies; Outdoors; Sports
KEYWORDS: banglist; guntalk; talkradio
mylife having computer problems tonight...


1 posted on 07/15/2012 5:54:20 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: MaxMax; 50cal Smokepole; Randy Larsen; lolhelp; waterhill; Clint N. Suhks; Envisioning; ...

ping!


2 posted on 07/15/2012 5:55:28 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Good host. just got caught up on the podcasts. Listening to today’s show now.


3 posted on 07/15/2012 5:59:53 PM PDT by MtnClimber (To the left wrong is right, down is up and backward is "Forward")
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To: MtnClimber

Hour One - Guests Iain Harrison, Crimson Trace
Juli Warner, Marketing Comm. Mgr. for Leatherman Tools Inc.
Ryan Cade, Danner Boots

Hour Two - Guests Michelle Vertocchi, Otis Technologies
Jim McGowan, FLIR Commercial Systems, Inc.
Andrew Daun, Recoil Magazine

Hour Three - Guests Dave Wilcox - VPO of Warne Scope Mounts / Colt Competition
Mike McCarter, Don Arnold Albany Rifle and Pistol Club
Fred Karl, Dir. of Product Develpoment at Crimson Trace


4 posted on 07/15/2012 6:09:21 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
Thanks for hosting!

Ordered my replacement CZ-82 today. Looking forward to getting it.

I was doing some internet searches yesterday and I found that I am not the only one that has bulged a CZ barrel. I found three or four stories of guys getting squibs unknowingly and then bulging the barrel with the next round. (They were using Wolf ammo.)

I'm definitely gonna look for alternatives to Silver Bear for future ammo purchases.

6 posted on 07/15/2012 6:14:17 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: smokingfrog
Looks a little slow tonite, so I'll pose a question. I have a TC Contender Carbine with 17m2, .223 and 6.8 SPC barrels. Somebody tell me why I should or should not get my next barrel in .204 Ruger. To be used for varmints and paper.


7 posted on 07/15/2012 6:19:22 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: smokingfrog

Thanks for filling in Frog.


8 posted on 07/15/2012 6:19:28 PM PDT by davetex (Sick of moochers)
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To: All

A cowboy from Texas attended a social function where Barack Obama was trying to gather support for his Health Plan. When Obama discovered the cowboy was from President Bush’s home area, he started to belittle him by talking in a southern drawl and single syllable words.

As he was doing that, he kept swatting at some flies that were buzzing around his head. The cowboy says, “Y’all havin’ some problem with them circle flies?”

Obama stopped talking and said, “Well, yes, if that’s what they’re called, but I’ve never heard of circle flies.”

“Well, sir,” the cowboy replies, “Circle flies hang around ranches. They’re called circle flies because they’re almost always found circling around the back end of a horse.”

“Oh,” Obama replies as he goes back to rambling.
But, a moment later he stops and bluntly asks,
“Are you calling me a horse’s ass?”

“No, sir,” the cowboy replies, “I have too much respect for the citizens of this country to call their president a horse’s ass.”

“That’s a good thing,” Obama responds and begins rambling on once more.

After a long pause, the cowboy, in his best Texas drawl says,

“Hard to fool them flies, though. “


9 posted on 07/15/2012 6:21:01 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Good one!


10 posted on 07/15/2012 6:25:03 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: smokingfrog

Yeah good one. I can actually see that happening!!

LOL


11 posted on 07/15/2012 6:31:57 PM PDT by davetex (Sick of moochers)
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To: umgud

Why not go larger like .308?

Wow the eye relief is really far back compared to my scope.


12 posted on 07/15/2012 6:36:27 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: 2111USMC

I saw a really nice looking Eddystone M1917 at the gun show today. I was really tempted to buy that thing!


13 posted on 07/15/2012 6:38:36 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

I have plenty of large centerfire rifles. I really like this gun. The G2 contender won’t handle high pressure loads anyway. I’d have to move up to the Encore to handle the .308.


14 posted on 07/15/2012 6:41:42 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: smokingfrog

I have a question...I have a Mossberg 500 12 ga with 24 & 28 inch barrels. If I were to scope it for deer hunting (or other purposes) what would you all recommend?

One friend of mine said ‘a Red Dot, Low Magnification’. Please confirm, or offer your own ideas. Some of you of course, may say, don’t scope a shotgun...if that is your thought, share it...


15 posted on 07/15/2012 6:43:51 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: smokingfrog
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16 posted on 07/15/2012 6:45:34 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: umgud

I was thinking for deer but sounds like you have that covered.


17 posted on 07/15/2012 6:52:36 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: 2111USMC
I'm definitely gonna look for alternatives to Silver Bear for future ammo purchases.

Your comment about Silver Bear ammo gives me pause. Some time ago I was told by an ammo dealer that Silver Bear and Golden Bear were decent 7.62x39 ammo for my AK. I have both but seldom shoot them (putting a lot aside for future "problems").

Have I gone astray here?

18 posted on 07/15/2012 6:54:22 PM PDT by OldPossum ( "it's" is the contraction of either "it is" or "it has"; "its" is the possessive pronoun)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
I don't have a good deer gun so I have to go by what I've been told.

I assume one of the barrels is rifled? I have a friend who is a long time and very successful deer hunter here in the Midwest and he likes a slightly magnified red dot. Most shots are going to be in the 60 to 75 yard range. With the newer sabot or or rifled slugs you can reach out to almost 200 yards accurately (not sure I;d try a shot that long).

19 posted on 07/15/2012 6:56:57 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: umgud; 2111USMC
I've always been partial to the .220 Swift for varmits. Old school and well papered for loads.
But that .204 Ruger sounds like a good round.

211USMC -
Is anybody offering a replacement barrel assembly? That might be something to look into what with the rising popularity of that pistol and the prob of bulging.
Just a thought.
20 posted on 07/15/2012 6:59:51 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

What’s the maximum distance you’d feel comfortable taking a shot? I guess it might depend on the terrain where you’ll be hunting.

I think something like the Leupold VX-1 2-7x33mm would be a good overall Shotgun Scope & could also be used with a muzzleloader.


21 posted on 07/15/2012 7:00:06 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
I say yes for a scope. I have a wide angle 1.5-5 Leupold on my muzzle loader for deer so you can find them through the bushes and on the move. Sounds like you're in an area you can't use rifles so you don't need long range stuff.
22 posted on 07/15/2012 7:01:03 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: OldPossum
This was the only time I ever had a problem with Silver Bear. I had read that they are better than some of the other 9x18mm Mak manufacturers out there.

mylife told me about a batch of Silver Bear ammo he had that had an improper 5.56 NATO round mixed in with the correct size. Poor quality control.

Maybe it was just a fluke. I have run somewhere between 1000 to 1500 rounds of Silver Bear through my CZ before this happened. However, that one bad round cost me a pistol. (Good thing CZs are built sturdy. It didn't blow up on me.)

I think I might pay a little more for ammo if I find a manufacturer that has a good reputation for quality control.

23 posted on 07/15/2012 7:07:57 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

“Sounds like you’re in an area you can’t use rifles...”

Yes, Ohio. Slugs required, or certain pistols are allowed, as well as muzzle loaders.

Btw, we have a Muzzle Loaders Club just down the road from us, so they keep all the neighbors relaxed to the sound of gunfire. Makes it better for me when I go out into my ‘front yard’ and shoot on my ‘range’ into a bank even better than what the muzzle loaders have.

Thanks for the advice.


24 posted on 07/15/2012 7:12:59 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: 2111USMC

Thanks.


25 posted on 07/15/2012 7:12:59 PM PDT by OldPossum ( "it's" is the contraction of either "it is" or "it has"; "its" is the possessive pronoun)
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To: 2111USMC

Other than Brown Bear/Silver Bear, Sellier and Bellot is about the only company that makes inexpensive Mak ammo.


26 posted on 07/15/2012 7:14:14 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Tainan
The only way I'm going to get that barrel out is to cut the slide assembly off. Then I would have to find someone with the right gunsmith press to press the barrel out of the frame.

By the time I would replace the barrel and slide, along with the labor, I would probably have as much in it as a replacement gun. (I also wouldn't know for certain if the frame was 100% after the incident.)

Since you can buy the surplus CZ82s for around $200, that seems to be the logical way to go.

27 posted on 07/15/2012 7:16:19 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: 2111USMC

“Most shots are going to be in the 60 to 75 yard range.”

I am most likely to be humting on my own property, and I would be well within that range. So your friend is apparently in tune with the suggestion that I have a low mag red dot. Neither barrel is ‘rifled’, but the 28” came with three chokes.


28 posted on 07/15/2012 7:19:55 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea; smokingfrog

Same here when I lived in Indiana, no rifles. I was a cheapskate back then, I used muzzleloader only because you could use it during shotgun season and muzzleloader season and didn’t have to buy a second ticket.

Field of view at 100 yards on the 1.5-5 is 68’ and 24’ compared to frog’s 2-7 44’ and 18’. Frog lives in Texas so he probably shoots longer distances, me I was usually in a small field with houses around or in the woods. It really depends on how far you have to shoot. And if you’re shooting a shotgun slug I imagine it’s not that far.


29 posted on 07/15/2012 7:27:25 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
In that case, I would think either would be fine.

My friend likes the red dot for fast target acquisition. (He also hunts deer with black powder. That gun is scoped.)

I also have been confined to shooting a smooth bore shotgun for deer here in Iowa (just because I haven't been able to financially justify a slug gun right now). One thing I do know is that the most accurate round for my 20 gauge with a 28 inch smooth barrel is Brenneke K.O. slugs. (Do not use sabot slugs in a smooth bore. They'll fly all over the place and keyhole like crazy.)

30 posted on 07/15/2012 7:33:10 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: umgud

IMHO I would go larger with a caliber that is cheap and you can buy (or trade) anywhere. Either .308 or 30.06 would be my choices.


31 posted on 07/15/2012 7:36:33 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Just put a laser on that bad boy.


32 posted on 07/15/2012 7:39:34 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Can’t see a laser in daylight.


33 posted on 07/15/2012 7:54:53 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks

A green laser would be visible, esp. @ dawn & dusk. I was mostly kidding, since I think it may be illegal except for hog hunting.


34 posted on 07/15/2012 8:00:15 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: 2111USMC

“I also have been confined to shooting a smooth bore shotgun for deer here in Iowa...”

I grew up in Iowa, native of Des Moines. Been gone since 1962, except for visits with friends, relatives. A lot of this is new to me...bought my first gun last summer. Getting the hang of it, and am either a good shot or really lucky. My first shotgun was a 12 ga pistol grip for home defense. Decided I needed this latest acquisition, and couldn’t pass up the deal.

I am left handed, but have found that I am comfortable shooting a pistol with either hand dominant. That is true with my Ruger Mark I and my Springfield XD 45 cal. My preference though is to draw left handed. And my preference with my rifle or shotgun is left handed.


35 posted on 07/15/2012 8:04:05 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: smokingfrog; All

I clicked the timneytriggers link and it went to some kind of moslem site. Is this a joke or something?


36 posted on 07/15/2012 8:06:31 PM PDT by gop4lyf (Socialism is the political dream of the unachiever, the excuse maker, and the lazy.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

I have a Veridian green laser on my Glock 23 and it shows up well enough at the range during the sunny part of the day, at least out as far as my old eyes can see the targets clearly, which is about fifteen yards for pistol practice/drills. A red laser does not show up in bright daylight, at least at the wave lengths and power levels permitted for weapons mounting.


37 posted on 07/15/2012 8:08:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN; smokingfrog

I do want a laser for my Glock, sounds like green is the way to go.


38 posted on 07/15/2012 8:11:28 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: 2111USMC

Sieller and Belloit or Privy Partisan for 9x18 ammo.


39 posted on 07/15/2012 8:13:57 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: gop4lyf

It looks like the site address had been hijacked. I tried the link and also typed in the address manually and both times I got the muslim sh*t.


40 posted on 07/15/2012 8:16:10 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: gop4lyf

Yikes!

I just looked at that site the other day and it was fine. It looks like they got hacked.


41 posted on 07/15/2012 8:16:50 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Adds a little extra weight out front, too, which helps with 40S&W practice.

Have you seen the 'magnetic mount' red lasers for 1911s? I ordered one and find it stays zeroed quite well. The thing uses rare earth magnets so it sticks to the steel frame really tightly. Has a thin loop that fits inside the trigger guard, to align it as you bring it up to grab the metal. Sticks tight enough that switching it on and off and shooting lots of rounds doesn't change the zero. I use it for off hand practice ...

42 posted on 07/15/2012 8:20:09 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks!

I’ve got a box of PPU FMJs on the shelf right next to me. “Made in Serbia”. I think I may have bought them from AIM surplus at one time. Hmmm ... brass cased.


43 posted on 07/15/2012 8:22:08 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: All

Thanks to all for stopping by.


44 posted on 07/15/2012 8:24:52 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Thanks frog!


45 posted on 07/15/2012 8:27:19 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: smokingfrog

THX, G’Nite.


46 posted on 07/15/2012 8:32:42 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: smokingfrog; mylife

Great graphic, & thanks for hosting!

Too bad, mylife, hope the puter’s all straightened out for you by now!


47 posted on 07/16/2012 3:04:10 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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