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Does this libtard have a point? Better Off without 'Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession
Powell's Books ^ | August, 2012 | Chuck Thompson

Posted on 08/21/2012 8:12:12 AM PDT by teflon9

Lets talk about secession. Not exactly the most suitable cocktail party conversation starter anywhere in the country, but take that notion deep into the heart of Dixie and you might find yourself running from the possum-hunting conservatives, trailer-park lifers, and prayer warriors Chuck Thompson encountered during the two years he spent traveling the American South asking the question: Would we be better off without em?

The result is a heavily researched, serious inquiry into national divides which is unabashedly controversial, often uproarious, and always thought-provoking. From a church service in Mobile, Alabama, where the gospel entertainer announces "Islam is upon us!" to a store selling Ku Klux Klan memorabilia on a quaint little street in South Carolina — Thompson lifts the green velvet drapes on a South that would seem to belong more to the time of Rhett and Scarlett than the dawn of the twenty-first century.

By crunching numbers, interviewing experts, and roaming the not-so-former Confederacy, Thompson — an openly disgruntled liberal from the Northwest — makes a compelling case for southern secession. What would the new nations look like if Virginia governor Bob McDonnell was elected as the first President of the Confederate States of America? If a southern electorate was left to fend for itself while the North did damage control on an auto industry decimated by cut-rate, union-defying southern voters for the last hundred years? If the BCS championship football game were replaced by a North vs. South Coca Cola/ Starbucks Blood Bowl™? If Florida went to the South and Texas to the North in the most complex land-and-population grab in American history?


TOPICS: Books/Literature; History; Humor; Travel
KEYWORDS: adios; differences; irreconcilable; secede
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To: Olog-hai

“Great notion—to divide and conquer ourselves so that our enemies don’t have to do it for us.”

Yet we see so many of our fellows here leaping at the chance to be divided and conquered.

“At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? — Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! — All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”
—Abraham Lincoln


41 posted on 08/21/2012 9:28:18 AM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Olog-hai

The left wing freaks already encourage our enemies and it involves the entire country.

Let them do it to their own country if they want and leave the rest of us alone.

The south with the people that actually work will be the power house of the world. Nobody would dare try us.

The north with the deadbeats will be the world’s weakling. Nobody would want to waste their time, there is nothing to gain.


42 posted on 08/21/2012 9:31:13 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: OpusatFR

A peaceful secession would be for the “Southern” States to withhold tax and all other revenues to Fed not to mention oil, gas, food and goods going to the Red States. How long would the Fed Gubmit stand with little coming in a lots going out to the Red States freeloaders?

On the whole, the balance of economic power is much different than in 1860.


43 posted on 08/21/2012 9:34:23 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: teflon9

Since he wants to ‘give’ Texas to the North, he can kiss my grits!


44 posted on 08/21/2012 9:37:21 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: teflon9

Interesting proposition. Let the libtards tax eachother 99%, marry their domestic pets and spread social diseases, while the rest of the God-fearing country could say the pledge, have public prayers, and encourage business and energy development.


45 posted on 08/21/2012 9:39:01 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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To: Captain Rhino
The core problem of a splitup of the United States would be the drawing of boundaries. California east of the coastal cities is fundamentally a Western state; ditto for Washington and Oregon. Spokane and Bakersfield have far more in common with Salt Lake City or Phoenix than with the coastal cities. Yankee/Latin south Florida would be discontented inside a revived Confederacy. The southern one-third of Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois and the Delmarva Peninsula would have little use for a Chicago-New York axis that would dominate the Blue Nation. Yet state lines are the fundamental building block of the United States.

A better solution would be to devolve the country and re-establish the states as sovereign. A return to the Articles of Confederation may be a solution. This is no more out of the ordinary than proposals for splitting the nation into two or more countries, and would be more peaceful.

46 posted on 08/21/2012 9:41:11 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: teflon9; All

Texas to the north? The HE77 you say! (Not you, teflon9. The author of the story) Texas should be the *first* to secede.


47 posted on 08/21/2012 9:42:22 AM PDT by KGeorge
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To: KGeorge

Texas undoubtedly will go with the South but a wall could be built around Austin and be treated similar to that of
West Berlin.


48 posted on 08/21/2012 9:46:28 AM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: Charles Martel

Just what our enemies want, too. Why finish the job for them?


49 posted on 08/21/2012 9:48:46 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Hate to burst a damn yankee misconception, but in 1860 ALL economic power resided in the north and still it almost did not beat the South.

Now the economic power no longer is in yankee-land. What would the outcome be now??

As to that ChickenShite coward Sherman, it was damn easy to terrorize old folks, women and children. You certainly will not win any freinds bringing up that turd, pretending he’s some valiant hero (well maybe to the north, which shows greatly its lack of empathy and true intention).


50 posted on 08/21/2012 9:49:40 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Texas56

DAMN STRAIGHT!


51 posted on 08/21/2012 9:55:25 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: X-spurt

Opps.... Red States, Blue States, who tags us Red when the
blues are the commies?


52 posted on 08/21/2012 10:01:15 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Rebelbase

Meh. Let them create a new Austin. It’s one of those “state of mind” kind of places, anyway. Better to excise all the cancer.

We could have thrown the commies out in the 50s, but no. We stood down. We wouldn’t be where we are today if we had. We should have loaded them up in a boat & shipped them off to Stalingrad.

I am offended by the comment wrt “racist, haters”. Experience has taught me that those who cry “raaacist” & “hater” are actually the racist haters, themselves.
Instead of advocating for the genocide of the White Race, maybe you should either consider moving northward or Wake Up.


53 posted on 08/21/2012 10:09:09 AM PDT by KGeorge
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To: Olog-hai

One thing is sure—we need to Reboot the USA—Start to scrap off the barnacles—and all the regulations—Powerful Lobbies and corrupt unions. Start over at some point—Dump PC and Affirmative Action, welfare and corruption in high places—weed out the media and start fresh.


54 posted on 08/21/2012 10:19:13 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: MeganC

I don’t think Texas would take kindly to this guy’s idea. I kinda get a giggle out of thinking how Texas would react to his suggestion.


55 posted on 08/21/2012 10:25:27 AM PDT by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: teflon9
If Florida went to the South and Texas to the North in the most complex land-and-population grab in American history?

These northen liberals always seem to think they'll get to keep Texas in a north/south split. I have got news for you leftdolts: Texas would go with the South. Period. Just ask most Texans. And trying to force the issue woulx be a baaad idea...

56 posted on 08/21/2012 10:33:50 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: teflon9

57 posted on 08/21/2012 10:55:00 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: MNJohnnie

that would we be sweet


58 posted on 08/21/2012 11:13:08 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: X-spurt

I totally agree with you on Sherman. He was a low down terrorist scoundrel. When US troops marched through Nazi Germany we didn’t treat the German civilians the way Sherman treated Southern civilians. His men stole and/or destoryed private property, shot civilians, raped women (both black and white) and burned towns, houses, barns, fields, churches and libraries.


59 posted on 08/21/2012 11:20:39 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: Emperor Palpatine

(1) I double dog dare you to go to Dallas or Atlanta and run your mouth about Sherman. Any “Johnny Reb” as you disparagingly referred to Southeners would kick your butt. Sherman was a butcher who slaughtered mostly elderly, women, and children. But you revere him? Revolting.

(2) This isn’t 1861. Your assumption that a North/South conflict would look anything like it did then shows a complete lack of understanding of the factors involved in such conflicts.

(3) Where do most of the troops come from now? Where is most of the industrial base? Just those two factors alone are completely opposite of what they were in 1861.

(4) If push came to shove, Texas would just turn off most of the West Coast — they have an isolated power grid, and a huge chunk California’s power comes from Texas. Shortly after that, most of the rest of the country’s interconnected power grids would collapse. Then the scum-infested urban cesspools in the North would burn themselves down in about 2 weeks. Max. End of conflict.

Finally, I’d rather see America stay a unified Constitutional America. But the blather and delusion that any conflict (which will be started by the North if it comes - see this artlicle and other violent rhetoric spewing from the left just today) would be anything like the last go-around is just that — blather and delusion.


60 posted on 08/21/2012 11:24:49 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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