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Curious thing about the PPP poll that has Obama up by 5 in Ohio.

Posted on 10/13/2012 6:43:03 PM PDT by Jaguarmike

That same poll shows Romney up by five among independents. And yet this poll has a D+4 sample. That might be a little high, but it's not as outrageous as some of the others.

So how is this possible? Because to me, the numbers don't add up.

Does this have something to do with the early Ohio voting that shows Obama ahead 2-1? Yet, I've also read that Romney leads by five or six among likely voters.

And how does all this jibe with the early voting turnout numbers we've seen on this board = that show a depressed Dem turnout?

Any answers that could be given would be appreciated. I'll just state that if Romney leads with independents, I think he'll win.

I'm confused on this


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To: uncbob
If you look at the history of elections since 1912, only two incumbents have lost in two man races. 1976 and 1932.

Ford got 48.02% of the vote; Hoover got 39.65% of the vote.

21 posted on 10/13/2012 7:53:20 PM PDT by Perdogg (Vote like the US Constitution depends on it - it does!!)
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To: Jaguarmike

Honestly, with Kasich as gov being a staunch conservative and Obummer’s war on coal, I don’t see how Obozo wins OH...
Maybe delusional but I just don’t see it.


22 posted on 10/13/2012 8:07:06 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: matginzac

Only way I see is with massive voter fraud. Esp. with the early voting and absentee ballots.


23 posted on 10/13/2012 8:09:05 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: matginzac

Close friend who is college prof has studied PPP polls for years; and told me to subtract 3 from the Dem and add 3 for the GOP candidate — quite consistent.

So the real number today from PPP is 49 Romney and 48 Bam-Bam.

Ohio is still very close.

NC is firm Romney, FL likely Romney, VA lean Romney.


24 posted on 10/13/2012 8:12:01 PM PDT by mwl8787
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To: mwl8787

yup, sounds right to me too

Starting to believe that there is no realistic path to either candidate’s victory without OH


25 posted on 10/13/2012 8:16:25 PM PDT by Cruising For Freedom (Don't be the proof that MSM PsyOps works.)
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To: NY4Romney
Right, there is NO WAY 19% of Ohio voters have already voted. Via Adrian Gray ‏@adrian_gray: Turnout in largest Ohio counties: Cuyahoga (3%), Franklin (5%), Hamilton (3%), Summit (11%), Montgomery (8%)...no way 19% turnout already
26 posted on 10/13/2012 8:20:39 PM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Your tattoo looks stupid.)
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To: Cruising For Freedom

The VP debate was a big win for Romney and here is why

The talking points have been
Cutting M1 tank production in Ohio
Lying about Libya
Biden acting like a buffoon


27 posted on 10/13/2012 8:22:55 PM PDT by italianquaker (The 47 pct need to pay their fair share)
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To: Jaguarmike

And, of course, RCP wastes NO time in putting up the bogus PPP poll in OH, and the bogus BRC poll in AZ.


28 posted on 10/13/2012 8:23:00 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Cruising For Freedom

The Obama camp claims all the money they have spent in Ohio, and all the benefits they reaped from the auto bailout make Ohio “sticky”.

Apparently that is supposed to mean that no matter what movement towards Romney we might see in other states, Obama’s numbers in Ohio won’t budge an inch.

I find that theory extremely hard to believe, but PPP’s numbers seem to support it. I am hopeful another, more reputable company, releases their poll numbers for the state very soon and blows it out of the water.

Bottom line for me is that until Romney starts registering some solid leads in the Buckeye state, I will have an uneasy feeling heading into election day.


29 posted on 10/13/2012 8:23:37 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: Tea Party Terrorist

Who is Adrian Gray?


30 posted on 10/13/2012 8:28:34 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: mwl8787

“Ohio is still very close.”

Which makes it very curious that the kenyan is taking a four day break away from the campaign trail to do his debate homework. Barry is ceding the spotlight at a critical time to R&R in places like OH. Unbelievable!


31 posted on 10/13/2012 8:35:01 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Jaguarmike

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/10/obama-leads-51-46-in-ohio.html#more

PPP is saying Obama is winning the early vote by over 3-1 (76-24). It would appear then, that Romney is winning the late vote by something like 53-47.

The story gives no details about methodology so there’s no way to know how they came up with 76-24 for Obama. You would think a result like that would raise their eyebrows.


32 posted on 10/13/2012 8:43:36 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: comebacknewt

Bush campaign insider who had access to all internal info and compares it to today. Very interesting twitter feed.

Also, another note on that PPP poll. It has 1 out of 9 registered Republicans choosing for Obama and less than half that rate of Dems choosing for Romney. In 2008 McCain won more Dems than Obama won Repubs, making this poll a bunch of malarkey.


33 posted on 10/13/2012 8:49:29 PM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Your tattoo looks stupid.)
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To: scrabblehack

The PPP poll has 1 out of 9 registered Republicans choosing for Obama and less than half that rate of Dems choosing for Romney. In 2008 McCain won more Dems than Obama won Repubs, making this poll a bunch of malarkey.


34 posted on 10/13/2012 8:52:00 PM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Your tattoo looks stupid.)
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To: Jaguarmike

PPP = Push Pander Poll......


35 posted on 10/13/2012 9:00:15 PM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: Jaguarmike

Keep in mind that Barack Obama actually received 30,000 fewer votes in Ohio than John Kerry!

The reason Obama won the state is McCain received 350,000 fewer votes than George Bush.

Republicans just have to turn out to win—hence, the repeated attempts to discourage Romney voters in Ohio by methods such as this poll.


36 posted on 10/13/2012 9:15:05 PM PDT by nkronos
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It really blows my mind that a state that elections Walker in Wisc or Kasich in Ohio would vote for Obama for Pres. I realize you get more voters in a Presidential year, but still....


37 posted on 10/13/2012 9:29:36 PM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: nkronos
Ohio went strongly republican in 2010 and I see no reason to believe this year will be different.
38 posted on 10/13/2012 9:33:24 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: lodi90

Ignoring anything he said (as much was lies) the problem with Obama in the first debate was his demeanor. He won’t have the (exact) same problem in this debate as it is a different format. The times I’ve seen video of him on the trail, he seems most animated when he is being nasty and sarcastic. He he tries that, he’ll look AWFUL to ordinary people.


39 posted on 10/13/2012 10:31:47 PM PDT by PghBaldy (I am sick of Obama's and Hillary's apologies to muslims, especially after 11 September 2012.)
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To: Jaguarmike

Evidently they only called people on Obamaphones.


40 posted on 10/13/2012 11:07:15 PM PDT by rfp1234
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