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Thanks Renfield. Warning, contains CO2/AGW/global warming BS. |
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Posted on 10/23/2012 6:57:26 AM PDT by Renfield
When it comes to the birth of America, most of us are working from a stew of elementary school history lessons, Westerns and vague Thanksgiving mythology. And while it's not surprising those sources might biff a couple details, what's shocking is how much less interesting the version we learned was. It turns out our teachers, Hollywood and whoever we got our Thanksgiving mythology from (Big Turkey?) all made America's origin story far more boring than it actually was for some very disturbing reasons. For instance ...
(Excerpt) Read more at frontiers-of-anthropology.blogspot.com ...
It’s roughly 100 times more than a stone age culture could support, and there is absolutely no evidence for it. The “high count” claims are no better than afro-centric “history” that claims that Cleopatra was black and that 60 million blacks died and were thrown into the Atlantic in the middle passage, which accounts for sharks today still swimming the slave trade routes. It’s all rubbish that credulous conservatives will buy if they see it on a cable channel and run into it enough in print.
Egypt was well out of the stone age by the time of that invasion. Whether some weapons or tools may have been made of stone doesn’t make Egypt of that period “stone age” any more than the fact that some Renaissance cannon used stone cannon balls or that 19th century flour mills used grinding stones made those societies stone age.
I had great grandparents who did a lot of archeological work relating to Indians in the Northwest. Their collection, which weighed tons, was donated to museums. I was around those artifacts for years, and I assure you that pre-Columbian Indian culture north of the Rio Grande was unbelievably primitive. These were people who lived in relatively favorable conditions and were still always on the edge of starvation.
Before the leftist historians and others got hold of the media and academia all pre-Columbia estimates of Indian populations north of the Rio Grande were in the range of .5 to 1.5 million. Even those estimates were generous given modern experience with surviving stone age cultures. 20 million is preposterous. 100 million is a cynical lie.
I for one think history is fascinating, and that we only know a fraction of what we think we know. Your mind seems set on the premise that the natives here pre-1492 were wandering savages barely eeking out an existance, when the evidence is contrary . And somehow, exploring and analyzing that evidence and coming to a conclusion different than the mindset described above makes someone “PC”.
Open your mind friend. There were incredible things going on in the Americas before the white man got there. And admitting that doesn’t make you less of a Republican.
But it’s not A stone age culture. It’s a whole bunch of tribes sometimes trading with each other. In a land of plenty. The general theory for why Indians didn’t get past the stone age because they didn’t need to. Need is a big driver for technology, if you’re in an area where farming and hunting are easy you lack need.
Given the area Cleopatra might not have been black but she probably wasn’t white either. She was probably either mid-eastern brown or black. And we know slaves were thrown overboard, how many who knows, as for sharks well we know that human flesh is actually not fatty enough to be nutritious for sharks so no they probably aren’t hanging out there waiting for more people to get thrown overboard.
Amid the obvious axe you have to grind you lost sight of the facts. No bronze weapons = not yet bronze age.
The gunpowder age did not begin when China used it in fireworks, but when the Turks used it to bring down Constantinople.
The nuclear age began when the USA used nuclear weapons on Japan, not when Marie Curie discovered radium.
Egypt was in the stone age until the Hyksos invasion introduced them to bronze weapons. You may not like that fact, but there
Amid the obvious axe you have to grind you lost sight of the facts. No bronze weapons = not yet bronze age.
The gunpowder age did not begin when China used it in fireworks, but when the Turks used it to bring down Constantinople.
The nuclear age began when the USA used nuclear weapons on Japan, not when Marie Curie discovered radium.
Egypt was in the stone age until the Hyksos invasion introduced them to bronze weapons. You may not like that fact, but there
Amid the obvious axe you have to grind you lost sight of the facts. No bronze weapons = not yet bronze age.
The gunpowder age did not begin when China used it in fireworks, but when the Turks used it to bring down Constantinople.
The nuclear age began when the USA used nuclear weapons on Japan, not when Marie Curie discovered radium.
Egypt was in the stone age until the Hyksos invasion introduced them to bronze weapons. You may not like that fact, but there
Amid the obvious axe you have to grind you lost sight of the facts. No bronze weapons = not yet bronze age.
The gunpowder age did not begin when China used it in fireworks, but when the Turks used it to bring down. Constantinople.
The nuclear age began when the USA used nuclear weapons on Japan, not when Marie Curie discovered radium.
Egypt was in the stone age until the Hyksos invasion introduced them to bronze weapons. You may not like that fact, but there
..... but there it is.
Multiple times.
hiccup.
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“There were incredible things going on in the Americas before the white man got there.”
If you believe that, you’ll love afrocentric history.
You don’t understand the term “stone age”.
Gunpowder did not “bring down” Constantinople. The Ottoman’s canons were ineffective, and their mining operations were thwarted. Constantinople fell because the Ottoman’s were able to get their ships into the Golden Horm by rolling them over the land on greased logs and because the Ottomans had overwhelming numerical superiority.
Marie Curie did not discover Radium. Her husband AND she were credited with it. Pierre probably did most of the laboratory work because he died quite early as a result of exposure to radioactivity. Her later work isolating metalic Radium was done with Debierne.
Your post is so typical of the intellectually lazy on FR who will absorb whatever pablum is fed them on the “Hostory Channel” and in popular press.
Indians were locked in the stone age. I don’t care why, any more than I care why the Australian aborigines were. It’s simply a fact, which, if actually understood, makes the article transparently absurd. Indians were always living on the edge of starvation. There were never more that one million or so Pre-Columbianindians living north of the Rio Grande.
Cleopatra was a Ptolemy. She was ethnically a Greek descended from the family of one of Alexander’s generals.
AND, you are puzzling through the “sharks” claim? Doesn’t anyone here have a memory? Congressman Major Owens from New York said that “200 million slaves were lost [during the slave trade years] being transported from Africa, and that sharks today still swim that route” in a special orders speech in the House about 11 years ago. The claim is stupid on its face, and many writers pointed out at the time how absurd the statement was.
If you wanted to argue that Egypt was more advanced, certainly they were - they were the most advanced stone age culture; but they were stone age until they got introduced to bronze weapons by the Hyksos invaders.
Can a stone age culture support a massive population and make huge monuments out of stone? Sure they can, and they did, in Egypt and in the Americas. Your infantile argument might have gone better if you made it about staple crops rather than chased after the red herring of “stone age”.
I don’t watch TV, so you had better try to grind your obvious ignorant (stone) axe elsewhere.
No bronze weapons = not yet bronze age.
Once you decide you don’t care then your opinion no longer matters. You just told me you’ve copped a position and making noise and it’s opinion based not fact based. I don’t care about opinions, especially from somebody that just announced they have no facts.
http://www.publicbookshelf.com/public_html/Outline_of_Great_Books_Volume_I/siegeofc_ga.html
“The number of the Ottomans was fifty, perhaps one hundred, times superior to that of the Christians, the double walls were reduced by the cannons to a heap of ruins, and at last one point was found which the besiegers could penetrate. Hassan, the Janissary, of gigantic stature and strength, ascended the outward fortification. The walls and towers were instantly covered with a swarm of Turks, and the Greeks, now driven from the vantage ground, were overwhelmed by increasing multitudes.”
The number of the Ottomans was fifty, perhaps one hundred, times superior to that of the Christians, the double walls were reduced by the cannons to a heap of ruins, and at last one point was found which the besiegers could penetrate. Hassan, the Janissary, of gigantic stature and strength, ascended the outward fortification. The walls and towers were instantly covered with a swarm of Turks, and the Greeks, now driven from the vantage ground, were overwhelmed by increasing multitudes.”
I repeat....
the double walls were reduced by the cannons to a heap of ruins.
Radium was successfully isolated by Marie Curie in 1910.
Does her husband deserve some posthumous credit? Certainly. But she was the lead researcher in the discovery and isolation of radium and for shorthand it is certainly correct to say ‘when Marie Curie discovered radium’.
Any other nitpicks to go along with your troll axe grinding?
Afrocentric history? What are you babbling about? Who’s talking about Africa?
Afrocentric history? What are you babbling about? Who’s talking about Africa?
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