Posted on 11/14/2012 8:14:02 AM PST by DiogenesLamp
A lot of people who were against us "birthers" said the issue was nonsense, and a distraction, and that we should quit wasting time on it because "we have to defeat Barack Obama at the ballot box." As a person who saw how the media swindled us out of the 2008 election, I never took it as a given that we would be ABLE to defeat Obama at the ballot box. Why would the media not do the same thing to us in 2012? Given that the election fraud perpetrated by Democrats had been taken to an entirely new level by this Chicago crew, I saw it as a real danger that winning an election against this guy was no sure thing. (He Cheats)
What I also saw in 2008 was someone who was inexplicably sensitive to issues regarding his birth and citizenship, and who displayed a degree of stubbornness towards it that could only be explained by the possibility that he was hiding something really bad. It was a loose thread sticking out. I had always thought we should pull at that thread and see what unravels, but there were those of you out there (and you know who you are) that were absolutely terrified and/or disdainful of touching this issue, and preferred to rely exclusively on a political campaign to save us from this Communist.
About as good as believing he will be removed for being ineligible to be president.
Yeah, conservatives should retreat into a world of snarky nutsiness. That will convince America to come to her senses.
There are an awful lot of FReepers who are afflicted with normalcy bias - the belief that we can get things back to normal through previously accepted and conforming methods. The ballot box has been corrupted and so have the minds of a majority of Americans. Whatever was normal in the past cannot and will not be returned to.
The corrupt judical branch is not going to remove the corrupt executive.
There is no point in daydreaming.
He was foreign born when it suited his needs. Then he was not, when it became an issue. The media were more than willing to cover for him.
Obama naturalized as a U.S. Citizen in 1983, but that’s irrelevant. ObamaCare is the Law of the Land. And this election was all about Immigration Reform.
Threat level: Midnight.
Hell I was among the first to believe he might be ineligible but I never held the fantasy that he would be removed because of it.
Thank you.
The “anti’s” rested on their delusion that the ballot-box would win out.
Presidents are elected, they announced by a willing press well before the “counting” is done.
To paraphrase Frank L. Baum: “Pay no attention to the counters behind the curtain. I’ll tell you who won.”
With Slo Joe Biden as his insurance Zero will never be removed before his term is up...
ps take your meds.
How delightfully reminiscent of the “Stop talking about the birth certificate!” “freepers” the past couple of years.
Hope you are overjoyed with the FRAUD for the next four!
Too much of hurry!
Corrections:
(1) Presidents ^AREN’T^ elected
(2) they ^ARE^ announced
Yeah, pursuing a Birther strategy would have worked out great. He wouldn’t have been removed, and we’d have lost about ten million more votes.
He has no legal or constitutional obligation whatever to prove his eligibility for election.
Even if he were ineligible, it would be up to the states and federal governments to initiate legal proceedings to establish his ineligibility.
This is something no federal or state Attorney General will ever do.
Mitt Romney came within 2% of beating the President.
Birthers will never come within a million miles of unseating him.
It became “snarky nutsiness” only because we allowed the enemy to define the situation. I agree, and have always agreed with the premise that Zero is a fraud and that fraud should be exposed.
We got further than all the fly by night lawsuits ‘birthers’ wasted time and effort on. At least we had a shot at defeating Obama. You have and have never had a chance since the 2008 election was certified. But don’t let the constitution stand in your way.
I don’t think it would be hard to prove he was not born in the United States. The problem is, no one wants to do it. They’d be called names. Who’da thought calling names would work.
I’m with you DiogenesLamp.
The eligibility issue is a Constitutional issue.
We should be demanding a congressional investigation, a special prosecutor and a Supreme Court review.
:: That will convince America to come to her senses. ::
You have over-interpreted the situation.
:: Hope you are overjoyed with the FRAUD for the next four! :: (And this can be seen as minimizing the situation.)
The so-called “Birthers” want simply to apply the Rule of Law (the ideology that our Republic stands on as a FOUNDATION!) to the sitting government. Is that so “batshit” crazy? Really?
I am not an “anti-birther”, but I have never believed and I do not believe now that the facts about Obama’s birth are sufficently known or knowable to result in his removal from office.
As a result of this belief, which I share with a lot of people, it has seemed prudent to pursue political remedies.
It has also become clear that, since passionate birthers are no closer to the truth now than they were in 2009, tha they are not likely to make any more progress in the next four years.
Even before the first election, I was in favor of investigating and exposing this imposter.
Yes, at a minimum Obama is lying now about his lying then.
Or, he’s lying now about telling the truth then, and pretending it’s ridiculous for anyone to call him on what obviously was his own personal claim for being foreign-born.
Actually most of us rested on the fact that the whole birther argument is legal hokum, that no court has ever agreed with, phoney 'precedents" that aren't precedents at all not withstanding.
Why do you think that?
To me, the task seems so close to impossible as to be effectively so.
And, to you, Happerset v Minor is just “legal hokum”?
I did sadly.
I am apparently apt to buy into such things. I do not believe he is eligible for one second.
But two things dawned on me. One is the judicial branch is utterly corrupt, and secondly I do not want the corrupt judiciary to have the power or precedent to remove a president that we elected, not that I voted for Obama but generally speaking, because any elected republican president from that point on will be in jeopardy of being removed by a judge for whatever reason.
Also there is no chance whatsoever that the republicans in congress would impeach the first black president and even less chance that the U.S sewer, er senate, would convict him.
It was always up to us, the american citizens, to guard our own freedom, and we failed in that duty.
Why is it unreasonable to ask that someone, who had claimed to have been born in Kenya, show an official document to our election officials so as to prove he was not?
Why is it unreasonable to ask our election officials to see his official proof of birth?
Go ahead.
I thought you had demanded all those things already, many times.
It would appear that those demands are even less likely to be granted today than at any time in the past, but nobody's stopping you. Demand away.
Why is it unreasonable to ask that our election officials see his official proof of birth? He claimed to have been born in Kenya, so what's wrong with asking for official proof that he wasn't?
Obama was/is a fraud sitting in our White House
Ineligible to hold the office and selected by the vote counters.
All this is done because not enough good people were willing to face the ridicule by the left. And of course this thread is full of the shoulder shrugging cowards.
The “We’ll get um next time” crowd refusing to admit or accept the truth. Our government has been taken over by communists. It is as simple as that.
All of this is frightening and true.
This isn’t about running a better candidate or running on better issues. I sooo wish it was, but no. It is much bigger.
We could have ran Ronald Reagan and Obama would still have won.
It's not at all unreasonable.
Go ahead, ask.
I thought you asked already.
Well, I am not anti-birther by any means. These are good people who are passionate in their beliefs. I just think that the issue is absolutely dead wrong. Unlike the Libs, we can disagree.
Good point. Conservatives (and most Republicans) always make the mistake of assuming that the other side will play by the rules, be fair, tell the truth, and lose gracefully. They never learn.
I beg to differ. As Glenn Reynolds says (Of Instapundit) "What cannot continue, will not continue." I regard "normal" as being defined by God and Nature. We are currently experiencing an aberration, one which cannot be sustained. It will eventually break, and eventually we will return to normallacy.
At least someone fully understands what the situation really is.
And for the record regarding the Birther issue - non-starter.
I believe Obama is the son of Frank Marshall Davis, and was indeed born in this country - but a conspiracy to keep that quiet has existed from the start by the Dunham’s. That is the reason his birth certificate is a forgery. It was probably originally listed as ‘father unknown’. Ann Dunham’s marriage to Hussein Obama was window dressing.
But back to the original reply - the ballot box is useless in national contests - we suffered a coup in 2008 and Marxists NEVER leave power and always rig their permanent rule to appear as if the people chose them.
It's not unreasonalbe to ask. But there's no requirement that he do so. So unless enough people care to get him voted out of office, it isn't going to matter. And clearly most Americans don't care.
It was a “coincidence” and an “accident” of several people who didn’t know each other, over two decades, writing the same thing about Bammy.
It’s obvious: it was Bammy’s claim. However, some would rather attack the various characters, such as the most-respected Sheriff Joe and co. and the others, and celebrate when they get crushed by the Obamabots protecting Barry.
It’s astonishing how easily America can be a victim of this.
There is no point in daydreaming.
Wasn't referring to the Judicial branch. Was pointing out that 50 state election officials did not perform due diligence TWICE.
The man had publicly claimed to have been born in Kenya. Election officials (who's responsibility it is to see that candidates are qualified for the office they seek.) should have required him to produce official proof of Birth within the United States. They did not.
Efforts to push them to do so were met with ridicule by those people (anti-birthers) who kept saying "We need to win at the ballot box." My point is, these people were WRONG. Catastrophically so.
Hey we could add some potatoes to our beef soup if we had any beef or any potatoes.
It’s not a precedent, eh?
How do you then interpret the SCOTUS ^codified^ “theory” of privacy (that has now become stare decisis?) in the Roe v Wade decision?
You’re a turtle (or, Sgt Schultz) when it comes to the survival of the USA. You provide the lick-spittle dripping from the boots of the Black Pampers in Philadelphia.
Begone.
slight misspeak there Sven
this election was about free govt crap as so stated on el Rushbo’s show days ago
Yes, a Strong Second place is so much better than a weak Second place. But who knows? Maybe he COULD HAVE BEEN KICKED OFF THE FREAKIN BALLOT!!!!!
It isn’t unreasonable.
It just takes enough people to confront the liars and not back down.
It seems there are way to many George McFlys on FReeRepulic and America. They don’t like confrontation. It is easier to say “Thank you sir, may I have another”.
I thought cowards liked to keep their cowardice hidden. Obviously not. Their MO is to ridicule honest people asking for truth and fly their white flags proudly.
We've got this killer rabbit to worry about. 
Our best bet is to prevent it from happening again.
This applicant for the most important job in the country has undergone less of a background check than would any applicant for a job as janitor at the local school.
One big difference-the janitor doesn’t have access to the nuclear football.
The only thing left to do about the BC is to gather as many indisputable facts as we can, and maintain the issue for the history books. At the height of the controversy, I was telling Polarik that he’s the only one that gets something out of this, because he gets to write a book and make money from it.
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