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To all you Anti-Birthers who said we have to defeat Obama at the ballot box...
today | DiogenesLamp

Posted on 11/14/2012 8:14:02 AM PST by DiogenesLamp

A lot of people who were against us "birthers" said the issue was nonsense, and a distraction, and that we should quit wasting time on it because "we have to defeat Barack Obama at the ballot box." As a person who saw how the media swindled us out of the 2008 election, I never took it as a given that we would be ABLE to defeat Obama at the ballot box. Why would the media not do the same thing to us in 2012? Given that the election fraud perpetrated by Democrats had been taken to an entirely new level by this Chicago crew, I saw it as a real danger that winning an election against this guy was no sure thing. (He Cheats)

What I also saw in 2008 was someone who was inexplicably sensitive to issues regarding his birth and citizenship, and who displayed a degree of stubbornness towards it that could only be explained by the possibility that he was hiding something really bad. It was a loose thread sticking out. I had always thought we should pull at that thread and see what unravels, but there were those of you out there (and you know who you are) that were absolutely terrified and/or disdainful of touching this issue, and preferred to rely exclusively on a political campaign to save us from this Communist.


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How's that workin out for ya?
1 posted on 11/14/2012 8:14:08 AM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

About as good as believing he will be removed for being ineligible to be president.


2 posted on 11/14/2012 8:16:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Yeah, conservatives should retreat into a world of snarky nutsiness. That will convince America to come to her senses.


3 posted on 11/14/2012 8:16:56 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: DiogenesLamp

There are an awful lot of FReepers who are afflicted with normalcy bias - the belief that we can get things back to normal through previously accepted and conforming methods. The ballot box has been corrupted and so have the minds of a majority of Americans. Whatever was normal in the past cannot and will not be returned to.


4 posted on 11/14/2012 8:17:45 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: DiogenesLamp

The corrupt judical branch is not going to remove the corrupt executive.

There is no point in daydreaming.


5 posted on 11/14/2012 8:17:57 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

He was foreign born when it suited his needs. Then he was not, when it became an issue. The media were more than willing to cover for him.


6 posted on 11/14/2012 8:18:19 AM PST by 9422WMR (Life is not fair, just deal with it)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Obama naturalized as a U.S. Citizen in 1983, but that’s irrelevant. ObamaCare is the Law of the Land. And this election was all about Immigration Reform.

Threat level: Midnight.


7 posted on 11/14/2012 8:18:58 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (Gossip is Satan's talk radio. Threat Level: Midnight.)
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To: chris37

Hell I was among the first to believe he might be ineligible but I never held the fantasy that he would be removed because of it.


8 posted on 11/14/2012 8:19:59 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Thank you.

The “anti’s” rested on their delusion that the ballot-box would win out.

Presidents are elected, they announced by a willing press well before the “counting” is done.

To paraphrase Frank L. Baum: “Pay no attention to the counters behind the curtain. I’ll tell you who won.”


9 posted on 11/14/2012 8:20:07 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Bread and Circuses; Everyone to the Coliseum!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

With Slo Joe Biden as his insurance Zero will never be removed before his term is up...

ps take your meds.


10 posted on 11/14/2012 8:20:15 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

How delightfully reminiscent of the “Stop talking about the birth certificate!” “freepers” the past couple of years.

Hope you are overjoyed with the FRAUD for the next four!


11 posted on 11/14/2012 8:20:15 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Too much of hurry!

Corrections:

(1) Presidents ^AREN’T^ elected
(2) they ^ARE^ announced


12 posted on 11/14/2012 8:22:38 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Bread and Circuses; Everyone to the Coliseum!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Yeah, pursuing a Birther strategy would have worked out great. He wouldn’t have been removed, and we’d have lost about ten million more votes.


13 posted on 11/14/2012 8:23:00 AM PST by driftless2
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To: DiogenesLamp
Birthers can never and will never succeed in unseating President Obama.

He has no legal or constitutional obligation whatever to prove his eligibility for election.

Even if he were ineligible, it would be up to the states and federal governments to initiate legal proceedings to establish his ineligibility.

This is something no federal or state Attorney General will ever do.

Mitt Romney came within 2% of beating the President.

Birthers will never come within a million miles of unseating him.

14 posted on 11/14/2012 8:25:58 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Mr. Lucky

It became “snarky nutsiness” only because we allowed the enemy to define the situation. I agree, and have always agreed with the premise that Zero is a fraud and that fraud should be exposed.


15 posted on 11/14/2012 8:26:13 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: DiogenesLamp

We got further than all the fly by night lawsuits ‘birthers’ wasted time and effort on. At least we had a shot at defeating Obama. You have and have never had a chance since the 2008 election was certified. But don’t let the constitution stand in your way.


16 posted on 11/14/2012 8:26:19 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: driftless2

I don’t think it would be hard to prove he was not born in the United States. The problem is, no one wants to do it. They’d be called names. Who’da thought calling names would work.


17 posted on 11/14/2012 8:27:52 AM PST by frnewsjunkie
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To: DiogenesLamp

I’m with you DiogenesLamp.

The eligibility issue is a Constitutional issue.

We should be demanding a congressional investigation, a special prosecutor and a Supreme Court review.


18 posted on 11/14/2012 8:28:29 AM PST by JT Hatter (Who is Barack Obama? And What is He Really Up To?)
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To: treetopsandroofs; Mr. Lucky; DiogenesLamp

:: That will convince America to come to her senses. ::

You have over-interpreted the situation.

:: Hope you are overjoyed with the FRAUD for the next four! :: (And this can be seen as minimizing the situation.)

The so-called “Birthers” want simply to apply the Rule of Law (the ideology that our Republic stands on as a FOUNDATION!) to the sitting government. Is that so “batshit” crazy? Really?


20 posted on 11/14/2012 8:28:39 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Bread and Circuses; Everyone to the Coliseum!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I am not an “anti-birther”, but I have never believed and I do not believe now that the facts about Obama’s birth are sufficently known or knowable to result in his removal from office.

As a result of this belief, which I share with a lot of people, it has seemed prudent to pursue political remedies.

It has also become clear that, since passionate birthers are no closer to the truth now than they were in 2009, tha they are not likely to make any more progress in the next four years.


21 posted on 11/14/2012 8:29:09 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Even before the first election, I was in favor of investigating and exposing this imposter.


22 posted on 11/14/2012 8:29:30 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
The “anti’s” rested on their delusion that the ballot-box would win out.

Actually most of us rested on the fact that the whole birther argument is legal hokum, that no court has ever agreed with, phoney 'precedents" that aren't precedents at all not withstanding.

24 posted on 11/14/2012 8:30:54 AM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: frnewsjunkie
I don’t think it would be hard to prove he was not born in the United States

Why do you think that?

To me, the task seems so close to impossible as to be effectively so.

25 posted on 11/14/2012 8:31:05 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Hugin

And, to you, Happerset v Minor is just “legal hokum”?


26 posted on 11/14/2012 8:32:12 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Bread and Circuses; Everyone to the Coliseum!)
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To: cripplecreek

I did sadly.

I am apparently apt to buy into such things. I do not believe he is eligible for one second.

But two things dawned on me. One is the judicial branch is utterly corrupt, and secondly I do not want the corrupt judiciary to have the power or precedent to remove a president that we elected, not that I voted for Obama but generally speaking, because any elected republican president from that point on will be in jeopardy of being removed by a judge for whatever reason.

Also there is no chance whatsoever that the republicans in congress would impeach the first black president and even less chance that the U.S sewer, er senate, would convict him.

It was always up to us, the american citizens, to guard our own freedom, and we failed in that duty.


27 posted on 11/14/2012 8:32:44 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: cripplecreek
About as good as believing he will be removed for being ineligible to be president.

Why is it unreasonable to ask that someone, who had claimed to have been born in Kenya, show an official document to our election officials so as to prove he was not?

Why is it unreasonable to ask our election officials to see his official proof of birth?

28 posted on 11/14/2012 8:32:59 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: JT Hatter
We should be demanding a congressional investigation, a special prosecutor and a Supreme Court review

Go ahead.

I thought you had demanded all those things already, many times.

It would appear that those demands are even less likely to be granted today than at any time in the past, but nobody's stopping you. Demand away.

29 posted on 11/14/2012 8:33:29 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Now just where did these people ever get the idea he was born in Kenya? Hmmmmm....


30 posted on 11/14/2012 8:34:15 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Mr. Lucky
Yeah, conservatives should retreat into a world of snarky nutsiness. That will convince America to come to her senses.

Why is it unreasonable to ask that our election officials see his official proof of birth? He claimed to have been born in Kenya, so what's wrong with asking for official proof that he wasn't?

31 posted on 11/14/2012 8:35:00 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Obama was/is a fraud sitting in our White House
Ineligible to hold the office and selected by the vote counters.

All this is done because not enough good people were willing to face the ridicule by the left. And of course this thread is full of the shoulder shrugging cowards.

The “We’ll get um next time” crowd refusing to admit or accept the truth. Our government has been taken over by communists. It is as simple as that.

All of this is frightening and true.

This isn’t about running a better candidate or running on better issues. I sooo wish it was, but no. It is much bigger.

We could have ran Ronald Reagan and Obama would still have won.


32 posted on 11/14/2012 8:35:32 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Why is it unreasonable to ask our election officials to see his official proof of birth?

It's not at all unreasonable.

Go ahead, ask.

I thought you asked already.

33 posted on 11/14/2012 8:35:50 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
It's not a precedent. It merely mentions that there is a legal theory about a difference between what constitutes a "natural born citizen" as opposed to "native born" citicens, then states that they don't need to rule on the theory's validity, since it's irrelevent to the issue at hand. Noting that a legal theory exists does not make it precedent.
34 posted on 11/14/2012 8:36:54 AM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Well, I am not anti-birther by any means. These are good people who are passionate in their beliefs. I just think that the issue is absolutely dead wrong. Unlike the Libs, we can disagree.


35 posted on 11/14/2012 8:37:14 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Dr. Thorne

Good point. Conservatives (and most Republicans) always make the mistake of assuming that the other side will play by the rules, be fair, tell the truth, and lose gracefully. They never learn.


36 posted on 11/14/2012 8:37:14 AM PST by giotto
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To: Dr. Thorne
There are an awful lot of FReepers who are afflicted with normalcy bias - the belief that we can get things back to normal through previously accepted and conforming methods. The ballot box has been corrupted and so have the minds of a majority of Americans. Whatever was normal in the past cannot and will not be returned to.

I beg to differ. As Glenn Reynolds says (Of Instapundit) "What cannot continue, will not continue." I regard "normal" as being defined by God and Nature. We are currently experiencing an aberration, one which cannot be sustained. It will eventually break, and eventually we will return to normallacy.

37 posted on 11/14/2012 8:38:17 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Dr. Thorne

At least someone fully understands what the situation really is.

And for the record regarding the Birther issue - non-starter.

I believe Obama is the son of Frank Marshall Davis, and was indeed born in this country - but a conspiracy to keep that quiet has existed from the start by the Dunham’s. That is the reason his birth certificate is a forgery. It was probably originally listed as ‘father unknown’. Ann Dunham’s marriage to Hussein Obama was window dressing.

But back to the original reply - the ballot box is useless in national contests - we suffered a coup in 2008 and Marxists NEVER leave power and always rig their permanent rule to appear as if the people chose them.


38 posted on 11/14/2012 8:40:00 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Why is it unreasonable to ask that someone, who had claimed to have been born in Kenya, show an official document to our election officials so as to prove he was not?

It's not unreasonalbe to ask. But there's no requirement that he do so. So unless enough people care to get him voted out of office, it isn't going to matter. And clearly most Americans don't care.

39 posted on 11/14/2012 8:41:09 AM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: chris37
The corrupt judical branch is not going to remove the corrupt executive.

There is no point in daydreaming.

Wasn't referring to the Judicial branch. Was pointing out that 50 state election officials did not perform due diligence TWICE.

The man had publicly claimed to have been born in Kenya. Election officials (who's responsibility it is to see that candidates are qualified for the office they seek.) should have required him to produce official proof of Birth within the United States. They did not.

Efforts to push them to do so were met with ridicule by those people (anti-birthers) who kept saying "We need to win at the ballot box." My point is, these people were WRONG. Catastrophically so.

41 posted on 11/14/2012 8:43:28 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Hey we could add some potatoes to our beef soup if we had any beef or any potatoes.


42 posted on 11/14/2012 8:44:25 AM PST by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
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To: Hugin; DiogenesLamp

It’s not a precedent, eh?

How do you then interpret the SCOTUS ^codified^ “theory” of privacy (that has now become stare decisis?) in the Roe v Wade decision?

You’re a turtle (or, Sgt Schultz) when it comes to the survival of the USA. You provide the lick-spittle dripping from the boots of the Black Pampers in Philadelphia.

Begone.


43 posted on 11/14/2012 8:44:43 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Bread and Circuses; Everyone to the Coliseum!)
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To: SvenMagnussen

slight misspeak there Sven

this election was about free govt crap as so stated on el Rushbo’s show days ago


44 posted on 11/14/2012 8:46:37 AM PST by advertising guy (" that lie has it's own sleep number " David Feherty PGA Championship 2012)
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To: driftless2
Yeah, pursuing a Birther strategy would have worked out great. He wouldn’t have been removed, and we’d have lost about ten million more votes.

Yes, a Strong Second place is so much better than a weak Second place. But who knows? Maybe he COULD HAVE BEEN KICKED OFF THE FREAKIN BALLOT!!!!!

45 posted on 11/14/2012 8:47:36 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

It isn’t unreasonable.

It just takes enough people to confront the liars and not back down.

It seems there are way to many George McFlys on FReeRepulic and America. They don’t like confrontation. It is easier to say “Thank you sir, may I have another”.

I thought cowards liked to keep their cowardice hidden. Obviously not. Their MO is to ridicule honest people asking for truth and fly their white flags proudly.


46 posted on 11/14/2012 8:47:57 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who. Run away! Pictures, Images and Photos We've got this killer rabbit to worry about.
47 posted on 11/14/2012 8:48:44 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: chris37

Our best bet is to prevent it from happening again.


48 posted on 11/14/2012 8:53:04 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

This applicant for the most important job in the country has undergone less of a background check than would any applicant for a job as janitor at the local school.

One big difference-the janitor doesn’t have access to the nuclear football.


49 posted on 11/14/2012 8:57:03 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Cut the cable today!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

The only thing left to do about the BC is to gather as many indisputable facts as we can, and maintain the issue for the history books. At the height of the controversy, I was telling Polarik that he’s the only one that gets something out of this, because he gets to write a book and make money from it.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?_encoding=UTF8&field-author=Ronald%20Polland&search-alias=digital-text


50 posted on 11/14/2012 9:03:05 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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