Skip to comments.To My Father-in-Law Who Wants to Disown Me for Voting for Romney
Posted on 12/01/2012 7:47:03 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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“As I’ve studied world history and geopolitics, I’ve come to the conclusion that there is not a conflict between the West and Islam as some have claimed;”
It is Islam and everything else
Boy are you in for a surprise from all sides. Now you are a race-traitor to your father-in-law (even if he hasn’t said it openly), and your hopes for Obama to succeed means America fails.
It’s the old story of the man who thought he should walk down the middle of the road to be safe. Instead he got hit from both sides.
Thanks for any honest attempt to be civil and open about your feelings. However, those on the Left don’t give a damn about you since you voted for Romney, and you haven’t accepted the position of a conservative or independent, so the Right is suspicious of you. Can they trust you in the next election to vote with your head, not your heart?
It’s going to be a long and bloody political battle for the next few years. Not for the faint-hearted or unsure.
Pick a side, take a stand, and live or fall by it.
I know whose side I’m on, America’s. Never have had to apologize for it (Vietnam for me, Iraq for my son), never intend to. I sleep with a clear conscience every night and awake with a clear conscience, more determined to destroy our internal enemies from the time I awake until I go to sleep (not much).
My life has a purpose, to protect my country and to make sure that my grandchildren don’t have to live under a marxist autocracy and Islamofascist penetrated culture.
No retreat! Only victory!
You also say you are a black attorney who has won millions for black people in LA. If deserved, fine. I don’t know enough about the particular cases to judge. But here is another one of your lonnnngggg quotes.
“The next major disappointment was during the financial crisis in the Fall of 2008. With Wall Street teetering on the brink of collapse, the Bush Administration proposed a bailout. On the first vote in the House of Representatives, however, it unexpectedly failed. The “Nays” came mostly from Republicans breaking with their President and Party leadership, but at that time Republicans were in the minority in the House. The marginal votes that put the Nays over the top came from members of the Congressional Black Caucus, who were concerned about the lack of protections against foreclosures on distressed homeowners included in the bill. They were demanding that if we were going to bailout Wall Street, they sure as hell better not turn around and foreclose on homeowners behind on their payments without some kind of forebearance (In retrospect their prescience was remarkable). During the ensuing week, Obama returned to Washington from the campaign trail, and put pressure on the black lawmakers who had voted Nay to change their votes (under threat of being 86’d from the White House of the first black President), and also turned down an offer from the Secretary of Treasury to include the foreclosure protections. At the end of the week, the bailout was put back up for a vote and it passed narrowly with the margin of victory being provided by the Black Caucus vote switchers. As a result, millions of homeowners unnecessarily lost their homes, many of them black, and statistically, all of the black wealth generated throughout the 90’s and 2000’s was wiped out. Our homeownership rate is now where it was 20 years ago, before countless hours were spent by countless people getting blacks into homeownership for the first time in their lives. The Wall Street millionaires and billionaires who caused the calamity lost nothing, and were back to record profits within a year or two. Communities were devastated by blocks full of empty and abandoned homes. I firmly believe to this day that either the banks should’ve been allowed to go bankrupt or the money should’ve been loaned to them with the requirement that they forebear on foreclosures until it was paid back, and that if either of those things had happened, the crisis would’ve been much less severe.”
Since barack obama was a major mover in seeing that unqualified blacks and others who could never have qualified for homeloans got them anyway from banks intimidated by boycotts and finally by law, are you NOW saying that once he became president, he wasn’t ‘black’ enough? Like say, bill clinton?
Better Ibo than Yoruba....smarter
Like Tutsi over Hutu
R u Nigerian and your FIL American black?
That was quite a rant
Biggest bang for buck is two fold
Convert white libs or bring our base out
All minority outreach simply bears less return numbers wise and what they want i aint selling
You took too many English major courses. This is obvious from your overwrought over-long missive. You are one building away from bathhouse Barry so tread carefully.
dittos on all that
Your first mistake is trying to reason with the better part of a liberal; there isn’t one.
If this man is truly a ‘liberal’, Democrat, Obama voter, you should keep your childrens’ contact with him to a minimum. They get enough brainwashing in government schools. Your childrens’ futures are more important than contact with ‘grandpa’ if it will unduly influence them.
Live YOUR life to the extent that your wife accepts and agrees with and move on.
Congratulations on coming as far as you have. I came from a liberal family, thought I’d go to college in Canada if Reagan were ever elected and voted against him both opportunities I had.
At least I learned, but there were a couple of years in between when I was in the wilderness and didn’t want to be associated with what I thought was the worst about Republicans.
I’m pretty confident now that I know what presents the best and only opportunity not only for freedom but also for prosperity and for the least among us.
“I call serious BS on that number. Im in college, and I dont know one black who voted for Romney.”
Key word here: College. In the real world, not inhabited by professors and students, the Pew numbers probably are correct. College environments are always liberal.
Just as an academic exercise, one wonders what history would say about those Russians who might - given the opportunity - have voted for Lenin way back in the early part of the Twentieth Century...
History will stand, thunderstruck and in absolute disbelief, at the notion that a free nation voted itself into the serfdom of a collectivist state and voluntarily put itself, in contravention of all constitutional strictures, in thrall to a glib, ignorant, scheming foreigner.
“I know Dad was a republican was he couldnt stand Eleanor Roosevelt”
My grandpa had a picture of Eleanor on the back of the bathroom door — so he didn’t have to spend money on “physic” (laxatives).
“I have met Republicans who believe whatever ... Rush is saying, which turns me off too.”
Odd. I find that Rush agrees with what I am already thinking, rather than my agreeing with what he is saying.
I’m surrounded by democrats, and I’ve had all the discussions and arguments with them. I’ve stopped talking politics when they’re around. You can.’t talk to democrats. They’re convinced they ‘re right. Lost an old friendship over obamacare. I, personally, avoid dems whenever possible. You’ve done your best to get along with your family. Let it go and see how they react.
I grew up in Mass and thought handgun control was something the government did, among many other stupid thoughts. I can mainly say that it's a long and arduous process to unlearn all that knee jerk thinking. The correct details are not hard to learn, but the correct ways of thinking take forever.
I admit I didn’t read the whole thing and missed that gem about Islam.
I’d be interested in the radical campus propaganda that you/he relied upon for that understanding of history and current affairs.
I bet if you give your father-in-law a carton of Newports and a bottle of Night Train, he will like you again.
Not at all. Rush creates an imaginary world that his listeners WANT to live in. Its is a world that does not exist. He used to be more regularly funny but the past 10 years he has become more and more dark, depressing and fatalistic.
Maddow does the same thing for Dems.(less negative for Dems though)
Also Rush makes more $$$ (more 24-7 listeners) when Dems are in power than when Rs are although he obviously doesn't want to pay more taxes.. This is a conflict as risk with Dems.
Talk radio giant Rush Limbaugh says that Sen. John McCain will score a stunning upset over Sen. Barack Obama and win the presidency on Nov. 4
[Rush] Limbaugh Predicts McCain Victory (NewsMax ^ | October 31, 2008 | David A. Patten, FR thread link )
I almost forgot this one :
We Could See a McCain Landslide (Rushlimbaugh.com, August 12, 2008)
The enthusiasm that got people out in 2010, I'm seeing at every Mitt Romney rally. Romney's drawing crowds of 20,000, 25,000, 30,000, 15,000. The enthusiasm that we all saw in 2010 is there. The same issues that existed in 2010 exist today. There hasn't been anything that's gotten better.
Rush: Everything But Polls Say Romney Landslide (Newmake Monday, 05 Nov 2012)
Don't Doubt me LOL
On the flip side of the coin, if my conservative dad was still alive and he had a son-in-law who voted for Obama, he would have shot him....many times then reloaded and kept shooting.
My “advice” is base on experience. But make no mistakes, if one is going to go that route it cannot be done with out the consent of your wife.
This is what I did....I explained to my wife what her father was doing. And that it was not his place to insert himself and his opinions into our household. I made it clear to her that if her father were successful with this disowning me over the issue at hand, that divorce was our future as the logical conclusion of his activities. That it was about power.
The key here is to do things calmly...explain where they will inevitably lead and did she want to go there. When presented to my wife calmly she understood. She was not happy about my methods but understood that I had no other leverage with my father-in-law and that I needed to assert my authority.
I sucked up big time to my mother in law, but she too understood why I did what I did and agreed that if I acquiesced it would have only gotten worse.
I was also in the military and I’m 5th year electrical engineering. Most engineers I know are Republicans...except the blacks. I’m not college age, just in college. I have adult black friends, and they all voted for Obama.
Every student and professor are not liberals.
My mother went several years not talking to me when she found out I voted for W. This election she just looked looked at me and sighed, and said words to the fact that she didn’t feel like voting since my vote would cancel out hers.
I come from a family on BOTH sides of yellow dog democrats. I either did the smartest thing in my teenage life or the dumbest (depending on who is telling the tale) one summer when I was looking for things to put on high school transcript so I could get into a good college. I volunteered to help my congresswoman at the time, who was Millicent Fenwick, along with some other high school kids.
Best education I ever got. Fantastic. Unfortunately, I turned on my parents and became a Republican.
I’ve learned to bite my tongue at family events lest they turn into a “point/counterpoint” like an old SNL skit. It’s not ideal, but it keeps the peace if only out of respect for my mom and dad.
I concur. I might not have made it clear, but I don’t like identity politics. We won’t win the pandering to groups game against the dems. Not to mention, it will put off our base and cause low turnout.
“Plus, Im assuming you want to keep seeing the grandkids.”
Well done sir. Well done.
You failed to mention any of that in the prior post. Of course, that changes the situation.
I, too, know very few blacks who didn’t votre for obama. My nephew-in-law (is that a “thing”?) is black and voted for obama in ‘08. This time he didn’t for two reasons: (1) Illegal aliens coming in with hussein’s blessing who are taking jobs from Americans, and (2) Hussein removing the requirement to work for welfare.
My sister’s co-worker is like obama in that he is half white and half black. He voted for obama in ‘08 but not in ‘12. Reason: He’s offended that obama disses his white mother, and uses his blackness as a tool to take advantage of, well, everything.
Some people are coming around. Obviously, not many and not enough.
My bad. It was really close to bedtime and my brain wasn’t operating on all cylinders.
Hopefully more people wake up like you stated in your examples. The inner city vote is lost forever. All they want is free stuff. They have no principles, no pride, and no desire to better themselves.
My worry now is that they’ll pass amnesty, and our next nominee will be Jeb Bush. Demographically speaking, we might never have a conservative president again. I hope I’m proven wrong.
Most radical leftists are closed minded tyrants and filled w hate. I feel bad for your spouse though.
That is a PERFECT true letter!
Here's a good one because Republicans got crushed a year ago by O by looking like they oppose middle class tax cuts in defense of the rich tax cuts, and they seem to want to repeat that now.
But where was Rush on this?
Rush December 21, 2011 on FICA payroll tax cut standoff:
The House Republicans, the freshmen, the Tea Party conservatives, the other conservatives in the House are holding firm on this on principle. Even some in the media are saying the House Republicans are acting on principal, not politics. Everybody else is looking at this through the optics. And as I mentioned in the first hour the Wall Street Journal has an editorial that just excoriates the Republicans in the House and essentially accuses them of losing the tax issue to Obama and guaranteeing that Obama is gonna end up being the king tax cutter in an election year.
Now, if they want to stop it, Wall Street Journal, Republicans, if they want to stop this, explain whats really going on here. Explain that this isnt a tax cut. Since when did Social Security taxes, when were they actually called tax increases? These are contributions. These are actual deductions from your pay that end coming back to you this is how its always been sold in your retirement years, in your golden years. Theoretically its your money. All were doing is defunding the only mechanism that funds Social Security. If they want to stop this, then just explain that this is draining money from Social Security without any of the necessary reforms. Throw it right back on Obama and what hes doing here. The worst possible position is the one supported by the Senate, Obama, and the Wall Street Journal.
RUSH LIMBAUGH:: We Stand for Principle Over Politics and the Establishment Cant Stand It (December 21, 2011 | politicalNewsshow Snow Report )
Don't Doubt Me!
Welcome to Free Republic. :~)
Imagining that any random person who is currently an American citizen has "40 or so years left in life" proves that you do not understand the gravity of our current political, social, and economic situation.
True, and I generally do subscribe to that, but actually I never voiced my opinion with him. He heard it from his wife, who actually found out overhearing other conversations.
With age comes wisdom. This is the natural progression and is true with you. But due to the screwed up times we live in, taking lots of meds, not so true with many others. Speaking here from personal experience but often the older they get the more stupid and vile they get. Backstabbing too. John McCain is a public example of this same as Arlen Spector. McCain can be very good such as right now on Benghazi but next week we will be in full sabotage mode. Mood swings? Medication influenced mood swings?
It's too bad I can't get you and my father in law in the same room!
Yes, I was pro-life before my own child was born, but I haven't always been pro-life. I grew up in an environment where a "woman's right to choose" was sacrosanct and unquestioned, and it wasn't until I started to learn about the other side of the argument, and experience a bit of how the world really works, that I began to consider and then subscribe to the view that life begins at conception, and that life should be protected against even its own mother's "decision". I confess that I don't personally have a very strong opinion on gays in the military. If the military leadership said, "we can't do this, it would hurt morale, discipline, etc.", I would support them. The current military leadership (and I certainly understand those who believe that they are illegitimate or somehow compromised in being able to express the truth) seems to be OK with it, so I'm probably OK with it.
Look, me, my father in law, and Barack Obama are all “black”, and my father in law’s principal reason for disowning me is that I am a traitor to the black race/cause, etc. by not supporting him. If I don’t directly address the ways in which my thinking grows out of a concern for black people then I have no hope of persuading him of anything. In truth, I believe that getting rid of Barack Obama would’ve been of benefit to all people, not just blacks, but most of all blacks, since blacks have done relatively the worst under his leadership.
Blacks as a group in America are materially worse off than average by almost every measure. I don’t think you have to be racialist in order to be particularly concerned about helping them to improve their situation.
No and hell no!
The conflict between the West and Islam is just a subset of the wider conflict between Islam and everyone who doesn't subscribe to it. They aren't any kinder to Nigerian Christians or Indian Hindus than they are to Western Europeans. From what I understand, it's been the same situation since Mohammed came on the scene: if you are not willing to submit to Islam, then you have your head chopped off. Doesn't matter who you are, or what else you believe.
It was a mistake to try to force banks to lend to those who didn't qualify, and a lot of those who faced foreclosure had no business in their houses in the first place. But regardless, banks were still ultimately in charge of their own affairs, and there were plenty of banks that didn't go so far into the subprime game so as to need a federal bailout, including Wells Fargo. My vote would've been to deny them a bailout and let the chips fall where they may. But if they were to get a bailout, I would've voted to put strings on it for the benefit of those homeowners who were facing foreclosure not because they got in over their head, or refinanced twenty times, etc., but because of the decline in the entire housing market and then the economy itself.
Opposite actually. My in laws are Ibo and I consider myself an American, but racially most would categorize me as "black".
In which case, wait a few months and then point out to his wife that they will need you in their declining years more than you need them. Let your mother-in-law see the light, and she will shine it up his a**.
I think you wasted way too much time on this letter.
He quoted half of a sentence. The complete sentence read:
As I've studied world history and geopolitics, I've come to the conclusion that there is not a conflict between the West and Islam as some have claimed; there is a conflict between radical Islam and everyone who does not subscribe to it.
Thanks, that’s some better. But the reality is that majorities of Islamic countries support sharia—which is in conflict with the West, as do significant numbers of Muslims in Western countries (e.g., the UK).
Are you against federal income tax?
Are you against paying FICA tax?
Are you against local building codes?
Are you against wearing seat belts?
Are you against Medicare?
I am guessing you are meekly obeying the government in every one of above “forced” situations. But you object when people who end up in hospital without insurance and I have to pick up their bills through higher premiums on my health insurance? Well, thanks for forcing me to pay the freeloader’s bills?