Skip to comments.Election Conspiracy?
Posted on 12/06/2012 6:49:48 AM PST by patriot08
Americans are no longer citizens of a republic, but subjects of a reigning oligarchy composed of self-serving politicians, who are subservient to international financiers and enabled by a dishonest and partisan press.
The outcome of the 2012 Presidential election was determined by massive voter fraud. This was done in two ways (1) illegal voters and (2) erasing votes.
In the face of numerous signs and symptoms of a stolen election, there is no investigation. There is only silence.
The Republican Party is dead or should be.
There is a report claiming that he Republican Party signed a legal agreement with the Democrat Party in 1982 not to pursue suspected vote fraud.
If there is no guarantee of election integrity, then elections become only window dressing for tyranny
(Excerpt) Read more at newyorkdailysun.com ...
Once that faith is gone, bad things will happen.
Whoa whoa whoa! Where the Hell did this come from? Can anyone substantiate this?
There are threads on FR about it.
I’ve heard about, though don’t know much. Supposedly Democrats had a lawsuit pending about disenfrachised blacks, or something, and after abitration with a judge they agreed to drop it if Pubs agreed not to file their own chalknowss in future. I’ve often wondered why Dems don’t sue more often for all the “intimidation” and “suppression” they screech about, so who knows?
This wouldn’t stop private citizens from filing suit, however, so I don’t see why a Pub or Dem couldn’t just file as John Q.
Surprise! The judge who denied the RNCs appeal to vacate the 1982 Consent Decree is an Obama appointee, Judge Joseph Greenaway, Jr., of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit.Judge Joseph Greenaway, Jr., U.S. Court of Appeals, 3rd Circuit.
New Voter Fraud website investigating swing state fraud that elected Obama:
Like having Satan’s only begotten son elected...
The judge would just tell them they don’t have standing. They’d probably run up against a judge like the one pictured below.
This country is doomed, and the Stupid Party doesn’t help.
The most important element in the USA is both maintaining the perception that our elections are honest, but more importantly making damn sure that votes go where intended and the vote counts can not be altered, corrupted or manipulated by electronic voting or other methods. It is why I strongly favor popular vote over the electoral college. It makes vote rigging more difficult.
Instead of electronic voting I’d favor using indelible purple ink on thumb and paper ballots that then are hand counted separately by three interest groups R/D/I and requiring that the counts be reconciled before the counters can leave the polling station. This electronic voting is a recipe for losing our democracy. The Ds ranted about this with Bush yet they did nothing to correct it when they had the chance, instead they ranted about voter ID.
The Ds/Rs are in collusion for power and to keep any challengers out, not serving the people of the USA. Read my long standing profile.
How does the popular vote make vote rigging harder than the electoral college method?
That's not true. The 1982 consent decree doesn't prevent the GOP from pursuing suspected vote fraud, it prohibits the GOP from doing doing a set of specific things in the name of "ballot security." Specifically, the GOP agreed to
(a) comply with all applicable state and federal laws protecting the rights of duly qualified citizens to vote for the candidate(s) of their choice;
(b) in the event that they produce or place any signs which are part of ballot security activities, cause such signs to disclose that they are authorized or sponsored by the party committees and any other committees participating with the party committees;
(c) refrain from giving any directions to or permitting their agents or employees to remove or deface any lawfully printed and placed campaign materials or signs;
(d) refrain from giving any directions to or permitting their employees to campaign within restricted polling areas or to interrogate prospective voters as to their qualifications to vote prior to their entry to a polling place;
(e) refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial or ethnic composition of such districts is a factor in the decision to conduct, or the actual conduct of, such activities there and where a purpose or significant effect of such activities is to deter qualified voters from voting; and the conduct of such activities disproportionately in or directed toward districts that have a substantial portion of racial or ethnic populations shall be considered relevant evidence of the existence of such a factor and purpose; and
(f) refrain from having private personnel deputized as law enforcement personnel in connection with ballot security activities.
Most recent example: Party Over Principle: Boehner Boots Conservatives off Budget Committee ... C.) were kicked off the Financial Services Committee.
Excerpt from Halt Voter Fraud:
Have our brilliant founding fathers provided us with a means to save our American Republic???
The electors of each state will meet on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December (December 17th 2012). A majority of 270 electoral votes is required to elect the President and Vice President. Four or five Governors of battleground states can save our American Republic. (Rick Scott, John Kasich, Tom Corbett, Bob McConnell and Scott Walker for example.) The total number of Electoral College votes in blue states with a Republican Governor is a combined 141 Electoral College votes.
If we target only five of these states (Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin) and have the local individual state activist groups submit resolutions in their states to withhold their Electoral College votes (BECAUSE OF MASSIVE FRAUD, etc ) there will be no winner in the Electoral College. We extend our chance to save our country and our LIBERTY.
We are pleading for four or five patriotic state activist groups to join our cause (HALT Voter Fraud NOW), organize efforts in their individual states and petition their Governors with a formal, widely supported resolution to recognize the massive voter fraud and the suppression of the military vote - and refuse to issue their states Certificates of Ascertainment in mid-December.
Left leaning Federal Judges, would certainly use those provisions to interdict official Republican efforts to control the very abuses that have been reported in the last few Federal elections. They are virtually all in precincts where the ethnic composition was a significant factor.
There are certainly ways to attack what has been going on; but the timidity of the RNC is bolstered by the very language that you quote.
How does the popular vote make vote rigging harder than the electoral college method?
Col Sellin is a prolific writer on these topics, and his articles are all over the net!
A retired USAR officer, fired by Petraeus a couple years back, etc.
There should be no question but that we must demand the fullest possible investigation, followed by the criminal prosecution of those involved in any of such antics.
How, frankly, can this point even be debated?!
I read that.
That works both ways, though. It also means that there are more opportunities to manipulate votes - there are plenty of big cities in blue states where additional votes could be manufactured if those states now matterd and if there was a nationwide voter fraud effort. NYC, LA, SF, Boston/Cambridge, Chicago, Seattle, Detroit, DC, the list goes on.
I am convinced the voter fraud argument is crap. It’s just an excuse for having an idiot candidate and being led by the likes of Karl Rove.
HOWEVER, I am VERY suspicious of election fraud, i.e. electronic voting machines. You want fair elections? Start there and demand that we go to paper ballots. No more E voting. It is absurd to me that we tolerate that.
Precisely why TERM LIMITS are absolutely necessary! Get 'em out before they can establish their criminal empires.
Yeah, that'll stop it. They won't be premarking hundreds of ballots in the back room of the union hall or RAT HQ (but, I repeat myself). They won't "find" boxes of paper ballots after they know how many are neded. Their minons won't vote in multiple locations under multiple identities. Is the < /sarc > tag really needed?
“Popular vote means every state counts”
No, almost the exact opposite. Popular vote means simple majority counts and states are irrelevant. A handful of big cities could choose the president. At least with the electoral college suburbs and elsewhere can duke it out with the Democrat centers of population.
But Roveians and their enablers aren’t the sort to employ this excuse. They’re more likely to blame the Tea Party. Voter fraud may be an excuse, just not for that.
Guess we’ll need to agree to disagree on this one.
My definition of a democracy is one vote, one person and ensuring that those who vote are eligible. Every vote must count, and that means that no one can shift votes even if for my candidate, that all votes can be audited and recounted, and that an elite few called “electors” are not used to consolidate our votes. We must have honest accurate voting and it must be overseen by all involved, and the desire of the media for prompt results needs nullified.
“My definition of a democracy...”
There’s the rub. We are not a democracy. The electoral college was designed deliberately to frustrate one man one vote, and we are, or were, the better for it.
So then if we aren’t a true democracy then why do politicians claim we have freedoms? Personally I believe I alone as a benevolent dictator could run this country much fairer and much better than the crop of corrupt beholden politicians of both Parties that are owned and will vote for laws that favor only their benefactors.
“if we aren’t a true democracy then why do politicians claim we have freedoms?”
Freedom is not dependent on democracy. It is endangered by it, rather, though not only by it.
“Personally I believe I alone as a benevolent dictator could run this country much fairer and much better...”
Perhaps, though power corrupts. More importantly, why present as alternatives democracy so far as we have it and dictatorship? Can’t you imagine anything else, perhaps more conducive to the freedoms you mention? Like for instance the US as laid out in the Constitution.