Skip to comments.Scientists claim that homosexuality is not geneticóbut it arises in the womb
Posted on 12/11/2012 5:42:41 PM PST by Olog-hai
A team of international researchers has completed a study that suggests we will probably never find a gay gene. Sexual orientation is not about genetics, say the researchers; its about epigenetics. This is the process where DNA expression is influenced by any number of external factors in the environment. And in the case of homosexuality, the researchers argue, the environment is the womb itself.
Specifically, the researchers discovered sex-specific epi-marks which, unlike most genetic switches, get passed down from father to daughter or mother to son. Most epi-marks dont normally pass between generations and are essentially erased. Rice and Friberg say this explains why homosexuality appears to run in families, yet has no real genetic underpinning.
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More likely in the coach’s private office than the womb...
That influence is the pervert down the street or at sport camp who grabs a young kid and screws up his life forever. It’s a predatory thing.
Yes, and it runs in families because predators have greater access to family members.
Sounds like they are trying to add some dogma to their new religion.
.....and how long before there are claims of similar epi-marks in the DNA of pedophiles?
They don’t see that?? What a joke...
Scientists claim, studies suggest....well, that clinches it, fellas. Close the books ‘cause now we know.
It’s a choice, like any other behavior.
Faggotry is little different from alcoholism. And I’ll pi** away a nickle on AIDS research just as soon as I flush one for researching why an alcoholic’s liver does poorly.
As Ann Coulter said “then guess who gets a aborted”
Er, you guys are not quite getting this.
1. The theory is interesting, and more importantly, as stated, its easily testable. That means that this can clearly be discarded if it doesn’t test out, unlike other vague explanations that hang on because they are untestable. This thing either is true, shortly to be determined, or its gone and everyone can go back to their favorite theories.
2. If it does test out, then potentially not only can this be tested for, it can also potentially be prevented or even cured. Gene therapy perhaps.
3. At least a simple early pregnancy genetic test probably can be produced. That would make an interesting sort of leverage on abortion policy, for one thing.
“Scientists” should stick to science instead of making things up
My BS meter keeps pegging out.
If it does test out, then potentially not only can this be tested for, it can also potentially be prevented or even cured. Gene therapy perhaps
Wouldn’t it be Homophobic to cure it.
What would the queers say if you said there wouldn’t be any more of them?
This needs rethinking I am sure homosexuals would be against this.
Really? Try soy baby food products.
If there is a test or a cure I predict it will be in wide use very quickly outside the US. Most of the world is NOT PC.
The populations of China and India find this sort of thing quite useful. To begin with they will start aborting all the gay babies.
Then the test/cure will be available in the US. Then the fireworks begin. What to choose ? Choice ? Abortion ? Gays ?
This theory explains the children that come out different. It might not be the only answer to sexual orientation nd imprinting (molestation) may also play a role, but no doubt something is hard wired as well. There are many children who play differently than their gender. They were not molested. They are good people, beloved children of Gd, but they act like the opposite gender, not their own. This does demand study. Epigenetics helps to explain these discrepancies because there is no gay “gene,” just gay behavior and sometimes looks as well.
I believe they are onto something. Knuckle dragging freepers love to think that molestation creates all homosexuality, but they would be very wrong. Ask the good decent men who are very straight but their lives have been greatly damaged by mole station by a man in their childhoods. It definitely doesn’t turn all boys gay.
I hope it will be testable too either way, and if its true that people will not abort babies who have it just as I wish they didnt abort babies with down.
Looking on the bright side, this may be the first step towards a cure.
Not too far down the road, what with weirdos like Dan Savage saying that it is time to “acknowledge the existence of good pedophiles” (actual quote).
Several years ago a homosexual-oriented group tried to push the idea that homosexuality was a genetic trait because they found that very frequently a homosexual had an uncle on the mother’s side (the mother’s brother) who was also a homosexual. They missed the obvious, that the mother stupidly trusted her brother who was secretly molesting her sons.
It is THE sort of think Hillary C is FOR. Genetic testing to “decide” where a child can be placed in society. In this case— gays can be “aborted” with ease if known in advance.
So, depending on your “preference” as a parent, and in line with the Planned Parenthood nazism, this would be ultimate eugenics. For the purity of the child and all.
The gays don’t want this. Anymore than the study long ago about male babies born during the London Blitz— percentage homo quite high vs. control population which was not in the blitz. Mothers had high adrenalin from fear all the time— and the male babies were “feminized” (in all basic embryology texts, or at least it was at one point) by the high adrenalin blood levels in the mother.
“Its a choice, like any other behavior.”
Acting on the inclination is indeed a choice.
But I think being so inclined is a mental disorder, not a choice.
We should treat that inclination as such and not try to pass it off as “another normal” like the agenda promoters are trying to do.
Nobody has ever said that being molested turns all boys gay just just as being beaten as a child does not mean that you will grow up to beat your kids.
It does however result in a statistically significant higher chance of those things happening and for similar reasons.
The victim does not want to be a victim, they want to be strong. The abuser is strong. The way to be strong is to be an abuser and have your own victims.
And the cycle continues.
Epigenetics is a relatively new science ~ but this is not about a ‘gaijin’ or ‘gay gene’ either!
Everybody has the genes to metabolize alcohol except some people don’t. There’s your answer. The metabolic pathways have been long known.
“At least a simple early pregnancy genetic test probably can be produced. That would make an interesting sort of leverage on abortion policy, for one thing.”
At least one circumstance for abortion will be made illegal.
I believe that homosexuality is congenital. There are also many birth defects that are also congenital as well. Why would it be genetic when it ends the genetic line? What possible purpose would that serve the gene pool as it won’t continue the line and therefore not add any more variance?
How do you explain bisexuality?
I cannot remember the scientist, but it was someone talking about how horrible AIDS was for medical research. It was politically popular and pulled in money that could save far more lives by studying malaria, tuberculosis and diseases that kill more per year than AIDS had at that time.
I’ve always thought of heterosexuality and homosexuality as on a kind of spectrum with bi-sexuality in the middle but maybe that’s too simplistic. What’s your take on it?
Someone brought up a really good point earlier. If this is a genetic defect they found via testing, now they can start testing for it. And many parents would choose to abort. How could liberals then disagree, if parents can abort for any other genetic defect and even for their convenience?
Yet you’d see the left and especially LBGT become pro-life in a hurry.
This news arrives on the same day a report came in about a young girl whose cancer was cured with a modified HIV virus ~ see: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2246312/Girl-7-beats-leukaemia-revolutionary-treatment-using-HIV-virus-wire-immune-system.html . There are a number of other ways to rewrite your cell nucleus ~ glipizide and glucophage do it ~ then there’s this thing about using polymer nano particles to carry all sorts of stuff into the cell nucleus ~ so it’s pretty clear people might even make an attempt to CURE homosexuality ~ probably within weeks!
PC = Pro Cweer?
>>Everybody has the genes to metabolize alcohol except some people dont.
Not sure I see what you’re getting at. To metabolize is to process through the body. To extract energy and new materials, and to remove undesired materials. Everyone’s body metabolizes alcohol. I’m an alcoholic, and I make a conscious choice every day to be sober, because it’s the right thing to do.
That creates a serious social problem ~
I suppose there are other causes of alcoholism ~ perhaps various sorts of liver damage.
The only part of it under the control of the victim is to make sure alcohol consumption is within the ability of the body to metabolize it in a relatively short time.
>>The only part of it under the control of the victim is to...
I cringe at the use of that word (victim) in this context. As if someone did something to someone, and someone else owes sympathy and restitution. The victim isn’t the alcoholic... it’s their family members and others who suffer from the effects of the alcoholics poor decisions. The alcoholic is the victimizer of their own family and friends. Once he can look at it in that context he is free to own and fix the problem.
Then, there are folks with liver damage from non-alcohol related causes and they could become alcoholics as well because of the damage.
Best bet is that if you have a Sa'ami ancestor you know about, or a Sioux/Lakota Indian ancestor, who was an alcoholic, you should not consume alcohol under any circumstances ~ EVER!
>>I identified three causes or you, two of them genetic.
I’m not convinced that there’s any genetic component to alcoholism.
Oh, you are very right. Many abusers were abused, and the cycle keeps going. Imprinting is a fact. Especially about the power and the violence. But orientation doesn’t always imprint. Many SNAP (victims of sex abuse bu any kind of authority as a child - clergy, teachers, etc) members are hetero male adults that are still hetero and their homo rapes as kids have devastated their lives.
Yes, I think so too. It is the equivalent of many conditions at birth and the children affected deserve as much love, no matter what is different about the way they were born.
I think you are confounding genetic alcoholism with alcohol abuse. Two different things ~ many people ~ the majority actually, who are unable to metabolize alcohol do not use it and so do not develop any of the pathologies associated with the condition ~ that is, they do not develop alcohol abuse problems.
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Sounds like they are trying to add some dogma to their new religion.
Yes indeed. They will squirm and twitch and writhe just to avoid the truth - homosexuals are made, not born; and the main method is by being molested when young by an older homosexual.
>> lj: and the main method is by being molested when young by an older homosexual.
>> article: And in the case of homosexuality, the researchers argue, the environment is the womb itself.
Ergo, don’t have sex with your pregnant wife... /g
this is frigging stupid, homosexuals have some severe mental issues, they get turned on by the same sex and then carry out their sex which is unhealthy as medical facts will back up like where is the colon, where is the prostate, are they supposed to be hit with a penis, yuck I;ll stop there.
They re not born like that and for these fools , probably the same fools which said we would have 10 katrina’s every year after katrina and the earth will warm so much we’ll die in a few months.
You should let them know down at Alcoholics Anonymous then, because they call themselves alcoholics instead of alcohol abusers.