Posted on 01/12/2013 5:04:17 PM PST by Kartographer
It goes without saying that food is a top priority for survival from any perspective. No matter what happens, food will be needed. If you get hit by a tsunami, you’ll need food (and potable water!!!) and it may be ruined and scattered all over the area with the rest of your belongings except for what you managed to keep in a Bug out Bag or other Survival/Emergency Kit. If you’re snowed in during a storm, you better have supplies. If inflation sends food prices up 25% each passing year (or each passing WEEK! yes, can happen) trust me on this one, you will wish you had put aside that food stash you never got around to prepare. And if nothing ever happens… yes, you still need to eat, don’t you?
1934. 1938. 1944. 1960.
Those smacked NY pretty hard, too.
True but it was more than just a bad storm hitting NY that made it unprecedented.
It was the conditions which allowed the storm to develop and track the way it did that were unprecedented.
And it was a BIG storm, winds and water aside. It covered a HUGE land area.
/johnny
“Food is still cheap and plentiful. That hasn’t always been the case. Don’t expect it to stay that way forever.”
One can say that just about anything these days - but it simply CANNOT last. We are borrowing way too much money, and once that gravy train stops (i.e., the Chinese start demanding we pay in real money for their stuff), the house of cards crumbles...virtually overnight.
I do, however want you to have real facts and history to put the situation into context with, and all I'm trying to do is provide those.
Yes, I'm an un-emotional, pedantic, son-of-a-b****, except I'm really not. The Atlantic has hated New York since before the Dutch owned it and it was New Amsterdam.
Watch the YouTube presentation about hurricanes in NY. It offers good historical perspective. Written BEFORE Sandy hit. This was predicted.
/johnny
The contention earlier on the thread is that Sandy was over blown and did not deserve the label of superstorm, something we heard a LOT of during and just after the storm hit.
A lot of people were poo-pooing it, saying it was just media hype, etc.
It was a big storm, both in actual physical size, and the large area of destruction and the magnitude of it. It was not media hype.
No, nobody is saying that there weren’t bigger storms or ones that may have cause similar damage, but Sandy sure ranked right up there with the worst of the worst and it was big enough in physical size to be labeled as a super storm
As for the predictions, the American computer models did not predict the storm track it took, although they should have. It was an European computer model which got it right.
Additionally, I watched the radar map during this whole scenario and the storm that came out of the midwest which sucked Sandy into it, actually backed up back out to the west, and THAT IS unprecedented. We are in the prevailing southwesterlies and storm systems ALWAYS head in an easterly direction. They just don’t go east to west. That was a very unusual scenario.
There were plenty on FR that voiced their willingness to see the whole northeast coast to be washed out to sea and its population with it if it would have ensure BAMA’s defeat. I wanted the man gone as much as the next guy, but not by the deaths of hundreds of thousands of fellow Americans.
There were also more than enough who declared that we NYers *deserved* it because *we* voted for liberal politicians.
There was NO sympathy for any of the victims of that storm. If NYers weren’t at fault for electing the politicians, we were at fault for living in the state, and hence, still deserved it for staying or *allowing* the government to become corrupt.
>> “ We are in the prevailing southwesterlies and storm systems ALWAYS head in an easterly direction. They just don’t go east to west. That was a very unusual scenario.” <<
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Most of the year, that is true, but in late October, East to West systems dominate. Depending on where you are, they are called ‘Chinooks,’ or ‘Santa Annas.’
They tend to be warm.
NY is vulnerable. During WWII to submarines, to the changes in the Atlantic conveyor creating hurricanes... Lots of folks in a tiny packed spot.
/johnny
That’s out west. We don’t get those.
Our weather either comes across from the midwest or up the coast as nor’easters or hurricanes, and the Atlantic feeding those storms can make them pretty formidable.
Well, we sure appreciate it.
Thank you.
What? I'm chopped liver? I had enough compassion to stay up that night and watch and pray.
Watch that Youtube. It's enlighting. They talk about how a cat 2 can cause 18 ft sea level rise along the Battery, without the high tide.
/johnny
I was referring to the *they deserved it* crowd whom I referred to in the previous paragraph in that post. Not you. I know that was not the prevalent attitude amongst FReepers. Most of them, like you, were praying for us.
And for me and our area in NY, CNY south of Syracuse, the storm was a real wash. Hardly any wind, almost no rain for most of it, and we even had some sunlight and moonlit nights, so the prayers WERE answered for a good chunk of the state.
I will watch the video. And I have seen other computer simulations of what would happen under the right conditions. Being a bit of a weatherhead (METmom), I have a nice selection of weather videos.
Speaking of shelf life...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2603220/posts History of canned foods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabia_(steamboat) Wikipedia article, which also mentions the still edible canned foods found aboard. She sank in 1856, 9 years previous to the sinking of the Bertrand. She was discovered 20 years later than the Bertrand, making her canned goods both earlier as far as processing; and older in terms of span between canning and discovery & testing...and tasting.
It was probably still good because of no expiration dates, so it didn’t know it was “supposed to” go bad.
I was also enlisted for years. Weather matters. It's always wrong. ;)
The video I pointed you to is a documentary supposing a Sandy type event, and how well NY was prepared.
Rather prophetic, in a way.
/johnny
About 50 IQ points and a heck of an insurance bill.
I was a spotter.
/johnny
I say that as a culinary professional.
/johnny
Pay no attention to those muffled sounds from the attic. It's just a squirrel...part of my Dynamic Emergency Food Storage System.
This time of year, after harvest? I’ve got enough to make it to spring. My grandmother would have understood, as she did it herself, and that’s where I learned to go into fall with a full larder.
That’s not really prepping. That’s just living life as it was lived for thousands of years before it changed after WWII.
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Amen to that. My granny and mother in law continued living this way long after WWII. Mother in law had 2 huge gardens every year till she turned 85, then she cut down to one. She finally had to quit in 2010 a couple of years before she died. She still had plenty of canned stuff and frozen stuff though from previous years
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