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Vanity - Don't own a gun - need advice
1/13/2013 | Aria

Posted on 01/13/2013 8:21:40 PM PST by Aria

I live in what is considered a safe neighborhood and stay in "safe" areas, never had a problem YET.

Not familiar with guns although my husband used to have quite a collection and I had a Baretta shotgun. I'm not so much afraid of home invasions or robberies at this point - but times are changing. What I'm more afraid of is our government setting off a stampede of marauding hoards.

I have NO clue what might be useful for me - need advice.


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Almost went to a gun show this weekend but don't know what might be a good choice for me - feminine, suburban dwelling, interior designer, who nevertheless would have NO qualms about defending myself and loved ones as needed.
1 posted on 01/13/2013 8:21:55 PM PST by Aria
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To: Aria

Perhaps you should try out different types of firearms at a shooting range.


2 posted on 01/13/2013 8:24:12 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Never have been to a firing range - they have different types of arms to try?


3 posted on 01/13/2013 8:26:33 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Aria

I agree with Paleo...and yep, the ranges I’ve been at do have ones you “rent” for the night. I’d also get yourself a private instructor...it goes faster.

You’ll be SOOOOOOOOO hooked on going to the range it’ll be unreal.

Well, that’s what I’ve heard and all. ;) :) :)


4 posted on 01/13/2013 8:29:23 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Aria

The NRA Basic pistol course will have different pistols. Find someone who teaches it in your local area.


5 posted on 01/13/2013 8:29:25 PM PST by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: Aria

I went to the local gun club for a basic skills class, and joined. We could try all types of fire arms.

The club has an active membership and offer events almost every day of the week. Members train, teach, mentor, etc.

I found that trying out the different guns is important to determining what you can hold, aim and use.

Check the NRA for Basic skills or other courses in your area as well as gun clubs.


6 posted on 01/13/2013 8:32:01 PM PST by freeagle
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To: Aria

Ping


7 posted on 01/13/2013 8:33:34 PM PST by Badabing Badablonde (New to the internet? CLICK HERE)
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To: Aria; All

Whatever you decide to buy, the key is *HOW* you use it.

Here is a video with some helpful hints -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iDnEkFSMRik#


8 posted on 01/13/2013 8:33:49 PM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Aria

Most will have a selection of arms to rent. Being that you’re female, expect the male chauvanist pig attitude from a lot of gun shop employees.

Depending on what area you’re in, you can find some good folks that can help you out. Might want to also talk to some of the ladies at the Second Amendment Sisters group.

If you’re near the eastern panhandle of West Virginia, look us up at the link in my sig line. My wife can take you to the range and help you pick a gun.

I hesitate to give advice leaning one way or another for various reasons. You need to find what feels good in your hand and what you can handle live fire. Also, men will usually try to steer you to cutsy little pink POS pistols in .22 or .380. Avoid that. Look at the full spectrum and don’t go cheap.

Remember, what you put into a gun is the exact amount you value your family and yourself. Look for good quality and ask lots of questions. Don’t just go with the gun of the week on the internet.


9 posted on 01/13/2013 8:34:22 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Aria

There are introductory classes taught almost everywhere. Don’t buy a firearm until you have an idea of how to handle it safely. IF you can find a local gun range, or gun shop, they can help you find someone; maybe they will have time to get you started with the basics.

Some firing ranges have guns available for rent.

Lots of things enter into the question about what is the right firearm for you. Hand size, recoil tolerance, whether or not you plan to carry it or keep it in your nightstand at night, etc., etc. Another thing to consider is how you are going to keep it separated from any children in your life. Guns and kids don’t mix well.


10 posted on 01/13/2013 8:35:52 PM PST by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: shibumi

Oh my gosh. LOL!!!


11 posted on 01/13/2013 8:36:39 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Aria

Were you familiar and comfortable with your Beretta?


12 posted on 01/13/2013 8:40:12 PM PST by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

I’ll be 65 in a couple of months. I’m a veteran.

Imagine my surprise when I found I’d been doing it all wrong all these years.


13 posted on 01/13/2013 8:42:02 PM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi
Imagine my surprise when I found I’d been doing it all wrong all these years.

Didja get all embarrassed and all? LOL!!!

14 posted on 01/13/2013 8:43:05 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: All

Thank you so much everyone - great ideas. I will make contacts with the local NRA and go from there. Glad I didn’t jump into something without asking Freepers first.

Freepers are the BEST!


15 posted on 01/13/2013 8:44:06 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: SgtBob

We went skeet shooting and I was ok with it but that was all. I didn’t miss it when my husband got rid of our collection.


16 posted on 01/13/2013 8:46:57 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Aria

If I were in the market at this moment and had nothing at all, I would look at the SKS. I believe it’s likely to survive the ban when the Rino’s cave in and it’s still a fighting weapon. Especially three or four of them together.


17 posted on 01/13/2013 8:48:08 PM PST by The Toll
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To: Aria

Any one know anything about NJ law on buying guns. Can I buy out of state without a permit if I am a Jersey resident? I am told it may take 3 months to get cleared.


18 posted on 01/13/2013 8:49:08 PM PST by Blacksheep (There are no coincidences......)
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To: Aria
A shotgun is more than fine. Going to a range to try different things out is a great idea.

There are two critical issues you really need to address.

First, attempting to bluff with a firearm is a potential disaster. If you bring a firearm to a deadly force confrontation, you must be able to kill with it. If you can't get rid of it.

Second, you absolutely must learn the use of deadly force laws where you live. When and when not to use a firearm to defend yourself and/or property is not governed by common sense or what you have read in books or seen on TV or the movies. The use of deadly force is governed by technical laws and past legal discussions. It has nothing to do with justice or fair play.

You are doing the right thing, you just need to be prepared for the obvious worst case outcome. While you are at it look into a concealed carry license along with a course on using you selected firearm. Good Luck.

19 posted on 01/13/2013 8:50:27 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Aria
I wouldn't buy anything in the semiautomatic rifle category right now. We've been through this multiple time in the past 20 years. Prices will come down. They are out of sight right now.

Pump shotguns are still available and have not increased in price. Yet. I would suggest getting a $200 12 gauge shotgun and some 00 buck shells if you want something for home defense.

If you want a good shotgun, get a Remington 870. Can't go wrong. More expensive, but something to be proud of.

20 posted on 01/13/2013 8:51:38 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Aria

Thanks for asking the question. I think I will take the same advice!


21 posted on 01/13/2013 8:52:17 PM PST by 3D-JOY (If there were no United States Armed Forces there would be no United States of America)
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To: Aria

Go to an indoor range and bet advice. You’ll also get a chance to fire some items that pique your interest.

Get some good knives as well.

Have a plan for “what if?” And practice it. Plan for your plan to fail and have a backup and yet another backup.

Stuff happens and the best laid plains fail.


22 posted on 01/13/2013 8:55:01 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Aria

Better safe than sorry.


23 posted on 01/13/2013 8:55:10 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Better safe than sorry.)
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To: Aria

If you’re talking about home defense, then I think it makes sense to have a shotgun and a pistol. The pistol if you get woken up at night and need it quickly, the shotgun if you have someone trying to break into the house and you have enough time to prepare a reception.


24 posted on 01/13/2013 8:58:35 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Paleo Conservative

If you can handle it, get a 12 ga...Mossburg or Remington. Does not have to be expensive. 00 and slugs for ammo.

Otherwise, get a 20 ga...

Then get a hand gun...
9 mm, 40 or 45 acp...If you want one to carry, consider a Springfield XDs...45 acp in a small, concealable package...packs a punch, ok for the ladies...


25 posted on 01/13/2013 9:02:05 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: shibumi

26 posted on 01/13/2013 9:02:47 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Aria

After getting some classes... go buy...

357 revolver with 4 inch barrel - simple, reliable, effective, fires good variety of common ammo. Get it in stainless and you are even better off.

Other choice is a Remington 870 shotgun, common, reliable, lots of accessories, inexpensive, used by Police and has large following.

Both, even in today’s hysteria should cost a fairly low relative price. $600 for the revolver, and $320 for the shotgun.

Happy shooting. Don’t forget to get plenty of ammo.


27 posted on 01/13/2013 9:04:09 PM PST by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com -- OpenCarry.org)
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To: Aria

my advice, go buy a shotgun because they’re easy, very effective, highly useful, and currently one of the few firearms easily obtained and reasonably priced.


28 posted on 01/13/2013 9:08:21 PM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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mark


29 posted on 01/13/2013 9:08:39 PM PST by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: shibumi
Whassup Now Foo? LOL ☺
30 posted on 01/13/2013 9:11:48 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: The Toll

The problem with the SKS is that is has a ten-round clip that cannot be detached. And it’s also cheap, Russian-made junk. Stick with quality American-made firearms like Ruger, Winchester and Remington.


31 posted on 01/13/2013 9:13:29 PM PST by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: King_Corey

I completely agree with the .357 revolver and 12ga pump to start. After that, add to the starting lineup: a semi-auto rifle (self-defense) and a scoped bolt-action .308 or some such (hunting). Then, add a .22 of some sort for small game and inexpensive practice. Anything after that is gettng redundant.


32 posted on 01/13/2013 9:13:46 PM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: Aria

Step one: Take a gun safety course. Start from the very basics. You will get some exposure to a variety of firearms in most courses, and that may shape your purchase decision.

Decide if the weapon is primarily for home defense, or if is one you wish to carry concealed. This makes a big difference in terms of what weapon you will choose, since a shotgun is a little hard to conceal. :)

If home defense is your primary concern, you should probably look at shotguns as a good choice. There are many models that will do the trick ... Mossberg 500, Winchester Defender, etc. Try to shoot both 12 and 20 gauge version and decide which you like best, and can handle best. Avoid pistol grip versions. Even tho they are more compact, as a beginner, you will want to spend time as much time as possible shooting the weapon and pistol grip 12 gauge shotguns (and even 20s) are not fun to shoot repeatedly unless you have a bionic thumb.

Handgun models work for home defense as well as concealed carry. There are so many choices, the best bet is to go to a range and rent and shoot as many different types as you can until you find the most comfortable one for you. And your comfort and familiarity with the gun are the most important factor starting out. Whether revolver or semi-auto, it is your comfort level that matters most because you will be shooting this weapon hundreds of times to build proficiency.

Don’t get too hung up on caliber, although it is best to avoid anything smaller than .380 unless you have tiny hands, and even then there are plenty of compact models in larger calibers, though they may rough to start out with. Get the best quality gun from a name manufacturer you can afford, and spend as much time as you can getting all the basics of marksmanship covered.

Talk to plenty of people, and read the no doubt hundreds of replies to your post that will show up here ... ;) It is ultimately your confort level and proficiency that matter most of all.

Good luck.


33 posted on 01/13/2013 9:14:03 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Aria

Some good information here: http://www.corneredcat.com/contents/


34 posted on 01/13/2013 9:14:26 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Cicero

“’If you’re talking about home defense, then I think it makes sense to have a shotgun and a pistol. The pistol if you get woken up at night and need it quickly, the shotgun if you have someone trying to break into the house and you have enough time to prepare a reception.”

That covers it nicely. You read my mind.


35 posted on 01/13/2013 9:14:53 PM PST by selfdefense
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To: Aria; All

Thanks for this post. My wife and I will be looking into concealed-carry permits when we move to FL. I do have a little experience, but they say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, so taking the NRA courses is absolutely a great idea!


36 posted on 01/13/2013 9:15:44 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: JoeProBono

That dude is really throwing some bullets!


37 posted on 01/13/2013 9:19:47 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Robert357; Aria

“First, attempting to bluff with a firearm is a potential disaster. If you bring a firearm to a deadly force confrontation, you must be able to kill with it. If you can’t get rid of it.”

Translation: It’s better to be found raped and strangled to death with your pantyhose than to be found explaining how you bluffed your way out of a situation.


38 posted on 01/13/2013 9:21:12 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Impala64ssa

When you take the CHL course you will get excellent instruction.


39 posted on 01/13/2013 9:24:15 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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Aria,

Everyone has given you some great things to consider already, but I just wanted to put my two cents in because my wife and I just recently purchased a firearm. The primary reason for the purchase was to have something that she could operate in an emergency without a lot of things to think about.

A gun dealer friend of mine recommended a 38 special revolver for women - particular for women without a lot of experience with guns.

He said this because, in an emergency, you probably won’t have time to think about all the steps you are supposed to use in operating a pistol with a clip (pulling back the bolt, making sure the safety is off, making sure the clip is in correctly, etc.) - all this takes precious time.

When you are nervous and in an emergency mistakes can be made. Of course which ever firearm you purchase you will need to practice, practice and practice again until you can do it without having to think about the steps.

What is so great about a revolver is, all you have to do is make sure it is loaded, point and fire. There is no safety, you don’t have to pull back the bolt and no clips are involved. Just learn how to load it and get used to the recoil through practice. Ammunition is plentiful for 38 specials as well.

Some will say that the problem with a revolver is that it only holds 5 or 6 bullets. True, but most confrontations in the home, which is what is the likely scenario, will probably be within 20 feet or so of the target. If you can’t hit them with at least two to four shots at that range then having a gun isn’t going to help you anyway.

Reloading a revolver isn’t that hard, especially if you’ve hit your target a couple of times already, which should give you time to quickly reload (with practice of course).

Just my thoughts. I’m sure you’ll get something that will work just fine.


40 posted on 01/13/2013 9:26:15 PM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: KrisKrinkle

No. The translation is never reveal a gun unless you intend to use it.

Bluffing and brandishing is how you end up getting killed with your own gun.


41 posted on 01/13/2013 9:27:35 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Robert357

Shotguns are not appropriate for many women. They’re cumbersome, and if you’re petite the recoil can knock you off your feet. In my opinion, the best long gun for a woman is the Ruger mini-14. It’s a powerful .223 that can hold a large-capacity clip, but it’s lightweight, easy to handle, and has almost no recoil at all. A perfect lady’s rifle for home defense.


42 posted on 01/13/2013 9:28:18 PM PST by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: Aria

A lot of the polymer framed pistols have grip inserts that allow the gun to better fit your hand. A good place to start is with a firearm that feels comfortable to hold and shoot, one that feels right for you.


43 posted on 01/13/2013 9:37:04 PM PST by pallis
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To: Aria

There are people recommending rifles and this can be a good choice. BUT ... if you live in an apartment complex, condo, or a neighborhood where the houses are really close together, a rifle is not the best choice since most rifle rounds will go through a wall and out ... to where? A shotgun and most pistol calibers will not penetrate the walls in most homes or apartments, and even if they do it will be with very little energy left.

Also, do not ever under any circumstances refer to magazines as clips. :) There is a difference, even though they seem to be interchangeable terms now.


44 posted on 01/13/2013 9:37:43 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: BCR #226; Aria

Yeah, don’t let some jerk steer the diminutive little lady....

It’s arrogant, mysoginistic and very dangerous.

A woman can easily handle .40 and .45 handguns. You just need an empathetic ear and someone knowledgeable and competent.

I’m a guy, grew up around guns...all of them but, a few years back I wanted to get back into shooting for sport and realizing there exists among us those who mean to disarm me and enable the guy who comes after him to become a tyrant.

I went to a range and had my mind set on a particular arm. Well, I ran into a LEO who convinced me to look at Kimber.

He had done some things to test the Kimber TacII for reliability and dependability such as shoot every manufactuerer and junk surplus ammo through it before cleaning it.

He shot over 4,000 rounds through it before he cleaned it. That was three months of weekends and then he set it aside for another month, as he had acquired another weapon and found himself interested in it.

A month later he picked the Kimber up and realized how filthy it was. He did not want spend a lot of time cleaning it so he took it to the range and cold fired it cleaning the bore and scraping off the goo from the slide. Still, he dissambled the gun afterwards and dropped the parts, save grips into a pan of Break Free, an extremely strong solvent.

He reassembled the gun with full confidence that no matter what he could count on his arm performing should his depend on it and under any circumstance including dropping a gun into mud and depending on it to fire despite being fouled, as most other guns would be.

I bought one and replicated the test. Hated to do that to a gun but, had know.

I had one failure in 3,000. It squibed and was easily solved.

I have two Kimbers in .45. Their mags carry .45 Jacketed Hollow Points, 230 grain by Hornady and I have 19 mags to back them up.

You won’t know how many bullets will be required to save your life or that of your loved ones untill it’s over.

I would feel stupid if I needed to fire 100 rounds but, I’d feel stupid because I would be alive.


45 posted on 01/13/2013 9:42:04 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Aria
There's much good advice on the thread (particularly about going to local gun-ranges.) But, I'd like to add a bit more...

It takes lots of time and practice to be good with any gun, and paying to go to local indoor ranges can add up quickly. Find some targets, several boxes of ammo, and head for the hills.

It's fun and in many ways a more pleasant way to sharpen your skill. Ask around for tips on where to go. Take some friends, food and drinks, and have a ball!!

46 posted on 01/13/2013 9:42:10 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: rusty schucklefurd
There is no safety, you don’t have to pull back the bolt and no clips are involved.

Bolt? Clip? On a pistol?

Shoot much?

47 posted on 01/13/2013 9:44:42 PM PST by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution!)
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To: mylife

“...never reveal a gun unless you intend to use it.”

Meaning it’s better to not reveal your gun and be found raped and strangled to death with your pantyhose than to be found explaining how you bluffed your way out of a situation by brandishing it.


48 posted on 01/13/2013 9:45:29 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Aria

Shotgun, preferrably a pump or at least a double barrel.
Work out your muscles with it.


49 posted on 01/13/2013 9:45:43 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: jespasinthru

You can get detachable magazine kits for them.


50 posted on 01/13/2013 9:46:10 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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