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ART CASHIN: We Are Witnessing The Tulip Bubble In Real-Time
Business Insider ^ | 04/03/2013 | Sam Ro

Posted on 04/03/2013 9:36:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The price of Bitcoin, the bizarre digital currency, has been skyrocketing. And everyone's calling it a bubble. But it's not like most other bubbles.

Art Cashin, UBS' man on the New York Stock Exchange trading floor, contrasts the Bitcoin bubble to the Dutch tulip mania of the 17th century. Here's Cashin: Trading Tulips In Real Time – It is rare that we get to see a bubble-like phenomenon trade tick for tick in real time. Usually it's kind of regional aggregate pricing like real estate reports. But, all that may be changing – before our very eyes – quite literally. The bubble du jour may be something called a "bitcoin."

Business Insider's Joe Weisenthal made this same point earlier today.

"You can go here and watch Bitcoin trade tick-by-tick, which is not something you could ever do with these other unconventional micro-bubbles."

Everyone's trying to figure out what's going on with Bitcoin.

Without explicitly arguing for causation, Cashin points to a correlation.

The bidding for Bitcoins has turned a bit more aggressive since the Cyprus "bailin" and the seizure of a portion of bank deposits. The Bitcoin recently traded at an amazing $100 (it had been $50 just two weeks ago).

We have yet to see Bitcoin make a major down move.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; History; Society
KEYWORDS: artcashin; bitcoin; tulipbubble

1 posted on 04/03/2013 9:36:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

For those who want to know what BitCoin is, see the presentation here:

http://www.businessinsider.com/presentation-what-is-bitcoin-2013-3?op=1


2 posted on 04/03/2013 9:38:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
From ZERO HEDGE

In the last 48 hours, the price of the virtual currency has surged by 50% from $94 to $141 as the rate of expansion goes more than parabolic. This leaves us with the question, which line item on the Fed's Balance Sheet is 'Virtual Currency Transactions'... what better way to destroy an up and coming currency competitor than to blow a bubble in it and explode it?

That is a 14x rise since the start of the year...

 

Source: BitCoinCharts


3 posted on 04/03/2013 9:41:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Tulips back then, carbon credits, our currently overprinted dollar, now bitcoins. All backed by what real asset?


4 posted on 04/03/2013 9:43:25 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: SeekAndFind
the bizarre digital currency,

I think his tendentious use of the word bizarre is unprofessional.

5 posted on 04/03/2013 9:43:53 AM PDT by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind
Interesting.

5.56mm

6 posted on 04/03/2013 9:50:21 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: DManA

Art is Art - drinks good scotch, knows his stuff, has his own style....


7 posted on 04/03/2013 9:53:21 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: SeekAndFind

Even digital fiat money isn’t immune from the pump & dump syndrome.

Beware of the bitcoin moneychangers.

if you don’t understand the concept of intrinsic wealth, you will die poor, cold, and hungry in a government sponsored ghetto.


8 posted on 04/03/2013 9:56:34 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: RJS1950
Bitcoins, like gold coins, are rare and it currently takes an immense amount of effort to create new coins. Unlike gold coins, bitcoins cannot be held in your hands but they can be used for electronic transactions.

Because of this, statists hate bitcoins. They cannot easily control the supply as does the Federal Reserve with the U.S. dollar (enriching their friends and impoverishing their enemies). Expect to read lots of FUD articles about Bitcoins until the statists implement a way to control Bitcoins.

FUD = fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

9 posted on 04/03/2013 10:01:28 AM PDT by Prolixus (Summum ius summa inuria.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bitcoins always struck me as bordering on a scam. The funny part is how it is embraced by people who complain about fiat currency when bitcoins are fiat on steroids and have the disadvantage of limited acceptance.


10 posted on 04/03/2013 10:09:27 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Prolixus

So what asset backs bitcoins?


11 posted on 04/03/2013 10:10:20 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: SeekAndFind; a fool in paradise

Art recommends Cashin’ in!


12 posted on 04/03/2013 10:10:23 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Prolixus

the dollar for what it is worth (literally) is backed by the full faith and crdith of the U. S. A., article IV section 1 US Constitution. What is a Bitbite backed by?


13 posted on 04/03/2013 10:20:36 AM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: mnehring

Their rarity is what makes them valuable and the fact that they can easily be used for electronic transactions.

It takes extremely powerful computers and a significant amount of electricity to create a Bitcoin but anyone, who is capable and willing to make the effort to do so, can create a new Bitcoin. This makes Bitcoins difficult for the statists who want total control over currency and total control over all financial transactions.


14 posted on 04/03/2013 10:21:28 AM PDT by Prolixus (Summum ius summa inuria.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Everyone's trying to figure out what's going on with Bitcoin.

P.T. Barnum could have explained it to them.

15 posted on 04/03/2013 10:42:33 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Yeah I love Art on CNBC, he’s got that same ruddy complexion I do.
I bet he’d be a great guy to have dinner with.


16 posted on 04/03/2013 10:45:06 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Prolixus

Ie, they are only backed by faith. A lot of things are rare, it doesn’t make them currency. At least though, most rare things are tangible. Bitcoins aren’t. Heck, even if you strip the monetary value of a dollar, it has some value as paper. Bitcoins are just blips of data in the ether.


17 posted on 04/03/2013 10:45:13 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

While we would be much better off with a currency whose supply only expanded gradually (if at all), bitcoin is a ponzi scheme, through and through. If bitcoins are holding their value, and the dollar isn’t, why in the world would anyone spend a bitcoin? The only way bitcoin takes off is the official currencies become worthless, in which case sellers would simply refuse transactions outside of bitcoin. However, in such a scenario, the government would shut down bitcoin, even if it meant inspecting every packet that traverses the internet.

Bitcoin is an interesting idea, but it has no path in which it becomes anything other than a niche currency (possibly for things like micro-payments). I hate saying this, because embracing a currency scheme not built around perpetual inflation would be such an enormous benefit. But bitcoin isn’t the answer, unless the question is “what is the latest ponzi scheme?”.


18 posted on 04/03/2013 11:12:39 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: mnehring
Bitcoins are just blips of data in the ether.

So are Treasury Certificates. The Fed quit printing them years ago.

19 posted on 04/03/2013 11:16:34 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: mnehring
So what asset backs bitcoins?

encryption chains and math resulting in uniqueness and non-dilutability

like gold, only digital.. very similar to bonds, tho unable to be counterfeited

20 posted on 04/03/2013 12:02:16 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: SeekAndFind
MEMOIRS OF EXTRAORDINARY POPULAR DELUSIONS AND THE Madness of Crowds.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24518/24518-h/24518-h.htm

CONTENTS.

Volume I.
Contents.
List of Engravings.
Preface.
The Mississippi Scheme.
The South-Sea Bubble.
The Tulipomania.
The Alchymists.
Modern Prophecies.
Fortune-Telling.
The Magnetisers.
Influence of Politics and Religion on the Hair and Beard.

Volume II.
Contents.
List of Engravings.
The Crusades.
The Witch Mania.
The Slow Poisoners.
Haunted Houses.
Popular Follies of Great Cities.
Popular Admiration of Great Thieves.
Duels and Ordeals.
Relics.

21 posted on 04/03/2013 12:03:56 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: mnehring

RE: So what asset backs bitcoins?

From Wikipedia:

Unlike fiat currency, Bitcoin has no centralized issuing authority.

The network used for this digital currency is programmed to increase the money supply as a geometric series until the total number of bitcoins reaches 21 million BTC, by issuing them to nodes that verify transaction records through intense brute force hashing with computing power.

Currently, 25 bitcoins are generated every 10 minutes. This will be halved to 12.5 BTC within the year 2017 and halved continuously every 4 years after until a hard-limit of 21 million bitcoins is reached within the year 2140.

As of March 2013 over 10.5 million of the total 21 million BTC had been created; the current total number created is available online.[49] In November 2012, half of the total supply was generated, and by end of 2016, three-quarters will have been generated. By 2140, all bitcoins will have been generated with the last one consisting of fractional parts. To ensure this granularity of the money supply, clients can divide each BTC unit down to eight decimal places (a total of 2.1 × 1015 or 2.1 quadrillion units).


22 posted on 04/03/2013 12:30:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: nascarnation
For those who want to know how the heck Art Cashin looks like...


23 posted on 04/03/2013 12:32:14 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Excellent!


24 posted on 04/03/2013 12:33:34 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation
I bet he’d be a great guy to have dinner with.

No doubt, though I'm sure it would require "marinating a few ice cubes" first...as Art likes to say.

25 posted on 04/03/2013 2:47:54 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: mnehring

Bitcoins are blips of data but so is most of our money. At least Bitcoins are less easily manipulated than “electronic” U.S. dollars are.


26 posted on 04/15/2013 6:24:32 PM PDT by Prolixus (Summum ius summa inuria.)
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