Yes, They Are Coming For People's Guns in California

Reason ^ | May 2, 2013 | Brian Doherty

[Altariel]

In a state facing over $34 billion in debt, Gov. Jerry Brown signs a bill spending $24 million on literally going after guns bought legally by people who later entered a status that the government thinks should bar them from a key tool for the basic human right of self-defense.

The Los Angeles Times reports:

The state will send dozens of new agents into California neighborhoods this summer to confiscate nearly 40,000 handguns and assault rifles from people barred by law from owning firearms, officials said Wednesday.

The plan received the green light Wednesday, when Gov.Jerry Brown signed legislation providing $24 million to clear the backlog of weapons known to be in the hands of about 20,000 people who acquired them legally. They were later disqualified because of criminal convictions, restraining orders or serious mental illness.....

"This bipartisan bill makes our communities safer by giving law enforcement the resources they need to get guns out of the hands of potentially dangerous individuals," said Evan Westrup, a spokesman for the governor.

"Potentially dangerous." We are now confiscating property and denying core constitutional rights based on potential.

And why is it that gun owners shouldn't care about gun registries, again?

California is the only state in the nation to operate a database that cross-references gun owners with those who are subsequently disqualified from owning firearms. But budget cuts have prevented the state Department of Justice from keeping up with the list, which grows by 15 to 20 names every day, officials said.

The new funds will allow the department to hire 36 additional special agents and support staff, with the first officers expected to hit the streets in July....

The new agents will work primarily in cities including Los Angeles, San Francisco, Sacramento, Fresno and Riverside, which have requested additional help, Gledhill said. The effort is expected to take three years.

"Our reinvestment in this tracking program gives us the opportunity to confiscate" guns from those who should not have them, said state Sen. Mark Leno (D-San Francisco), author of the legislation.

Never let the "opportunity to confiscate" fade, Senator! Already existing programs for this purpose "investigated nearly 4,000 people and seized about that same number of weapons, including 300 assault weapons, during the last two years, officials said."

It needs to be said often: even these "common sense" measures overwhelmingly violate the rights of those who would never, ever use their weapons to harm anyone far more than they contribute to public safety.

[JimRed]

... we all agree that there needs to be some sort of criteria allowing the state to prevent some people from posessing a firearm.

Do not agree on that one. Even a felon who has served his time is entitled to self defense under our second amendment. Anyone who can not be trusted to be armed should not be running around loose.

The problem is that if the state gets too “agressive” they can find all sorts of reasons to prevent a person from owning a gun - thanks to the squishy mental illness caveat

“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”
Ayn Rand

[JimRed]

While there may be some agents shot at homes as they attempt to confiscate a gun, the more likely scenario is that action is taken against the confiscating conspirators at their homes, places of business, or work, or on errands.

Those who will be GIVING THE ORDERS have to be at the top of the target list. When the confiscations start, they must start having "accidents" or just disappearing. Cut off the head and the snake will die.

[SgtHooper]

What goes hand-in-hand with the gun confiscation, is that any resistance can result in further confiscation of assets, thereby helping CA coffers.

[cuban leaf]

See my post 60. We even agree on the reasoning. ;-)

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

I knew a man who was charged with an accidental felony (Left the scene of an accident he did not cause) back in 1939. He was later paroled from prison and walked across Europe carrying an M1-Garand for Patton.
He never had another run in with the Law. In 1968, when the 1968 Gun Control Law was passed, he was declared to be not fit to own a firearm because of the 1939 felony.

If he lived in Cali he would now be a possessor of an illegal gun.

[Las Vegas Ron]

In 1968, when the 1968 Gun Control Law was passed, he was declared to be not fit to own a firearm because of the 1939 felony.

Not Constitutional, Ex Post Facto law.

Actually the GCA is unconstitutional, congress cannot legislate your rights away period.

[Altariel]

They’re likely counting on that scenario to say “See? See? We are right to confiscate these!”

Hopefully the California Freepers (Neverdem, IIRC, runs the ping list) will become aware of this and make preparations.

[Altariel]

At least one, apparently.

Let’s not go through mental gymnastics to justify one head of the two-headed hydra.

[Yosemitest]

It doesn't matter to them whether we fight or we don't fight.
They're UNCONSTITUTIONALLY moving to confiscate our guns,

because they want to do things to us later on that they KNOW
we would be in our rights to defend ourselves and our property.

The United States Citizens KNOW that they're going to have to fight TYRANTS in their own government.
You cannot protect life, without the ability to take life.

While you are WAITING for the police to respond, someone could be losing their life.
All people of a responsible age should be armed.

As EternalVigilance reminded us:

The Second Amendment IS Pro-Life.

"Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these:
First, a right to life;
Secondly, to liberty;
Thirdly, to property;
together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can.
These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation,
commonly called the first law of nature...
In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society,
to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights;
when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights;
the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property.
If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation.
The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty,
it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift
and voluntarily become a slave."




-- Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists

Click here to read the 12 page pamphlet.

Let us NEVER FORGET THAT !

Let's subjugate them to OUR end game, DUST!
"COMPROMISE" is a DIRTY word!
People who study the Bible know that COMPROMISE almost always leads to destruction.


It's time to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.


The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today!
These laws are the ones we should shove into the "2nd Amendment Haters" faces.

" Today, military service for Swiss males is universal. At about age 20, every Swiss male goes through 118 consecutive days of recruit training in the Rekrutenschule. ...

Even before required training begins, young men and women may take optional courses with the Swiss army's M57 assault rifle.
They keep that gun at home for three months and receive six half-day training sessions.

From age 21 to 32, a Swiss man serves as a "frontline" troop in the Auszug, and devotes three weeks a year (in eight of the 12 years) to continued training.
From age 33 to 42, he serves in the Landwehr (like America's National Guard); every few years, he reports for two-week training periods.
Finally, from ages 43, to 50, he serves in the Landsturm; in this period, he only spends 13 days total in "home guard courses."

Over a soldier's career he also spends scattered days on mandatory equipment inspections and required target practice.
Thus, in a 30-year mandatory military career, a Swiss man only spends about one year in direct military service.
Following discharge from the regular army, men serve on reserve status until age 50 (55 for officers).

By the Federal Constitution of 1874, military servicemen are given their first equipment, clothing and arms.
After the first training period, conscripts must keep gun, ammunition and equipment an ihrem Wohnort ("in their homes") until the end of their term of service.

Today, enlisted men are issued M57 AUTOMATIC assault rifles and officers are given pistol.
Each reservist is issued 24 rounds of ammunition in sealed packs for emergency use.
(Contrary to Handgun Control's claim that "all ammunition must be accounted for," the emergency ammunition is the only ammo that requires accounting.)

After discharge from service, the man is given a bolt rifle free from registration or obligation.
Starting in the 1994, the government will GIVE ex-reservists assault rifles. Officers carry pistols rather than rifles and are given their pistols the end of their service.

When the government adopts a new infantry rifle, it sells the old ones to the public.

Reservists are encouraged to buy MILITARY ammunition
(7.5 and 5.6mm-5.56 mm in other countries-for rifles and 9 and 7.65 mm Luger for pistols)
which is sold AT COST by the government, for target practice .
Non-military ammunition for long-gun hunting and .22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo are not subsidised, but are subiect to NO sales controls.
Non-military non-hunting ammunition more powerful than .22 LR (such as .38 Spl.) is registered at the time of sale.

Swiss military ammo must be registered IF bought at a private store, BUT NEED NOT BE REGISTERED IF bought at a range.
The nation's 3,000 shooting ranges sell the overwhelming majority of ammunition.
Technically, ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range, but the rule is barely known and almost never obeyed.

The army SELLS a variety of machine guns, submachine guns, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and cannons.
Purchasers of these weapons require an EASILY OBTAINED cantonal license, and the weapons are registered.
In a nation of six million people, there are at least two million guns, including 600,000 FULLY AUTOMATIC assault rifles, half a million pistols, and numerous machine guns.
Virtually every home has a gun.

Besides SUBSIDIZED military surplus, the Swiss can buy other firearms easily too.
While long guns require NO special purchase procedures, handguns are sold only to those with a Waffenerwerbsschien (purchase certificate) issued by a cantonal authority.
A certificate is issued to every applicant over 18 who is not a criminal or mentally infirm.

There are NO restrictions on the carrying of long guns.
About half the cantons have strict permit procedures for carrying handguns, and the other half have NO rules at all.
There is NO discernible difference in the crime rate between the cantons as a result of the different policies.

Thanks to a lawsuit brought by the Swiss gun lobby, semi-automatic rifles require NO PURCHASE PERMIT and are NOT registered by the government.
Thus, the ONLY long guns registered by the government are FULL AUTOMATICS."

The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !

Remember:

The beauty of the Second Amendment is
that it will not be needed
until they TRY to take it.

So with that in mind, it's time to USE all that ammo we've been storing.
Send these gun-confiscating TYRANTS to HELL !

Read Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .

[Morpheus2009]

What I always find hillarious is how gun control advocates conveniently ignore children deaths due to drowning, WAY MORE PREVALENT than murder by a gun.

[Golden Gate]

To ALL: Post the message below to YOUR FR state message board! And, send as an email.

I just posted it to the California message board.

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Post 21 by bankwalker =>> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3015285/posts?page=21#21

This is causing quite a stir - making the gun control freaks heads explode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F1nPSNnaBo

only 2 minutes - pass it on after viewing. it is going viral ...

(128,928 views - Like = 2,395 || 30 = neg. - May 3, 2013)
http://www.MBStudioProductions.tv

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Post 42: / (excellent 2 min video.) // Yes , but it needs to be shortened to under 60 seconds to get televised air time. And yes ,.. there will be blow-back

- by Tilted Irish Kilt ("Political correctness is tyranny with manners." - Charlton Heston)

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