Posted on 07/02/2013 8:17:08 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz
If Conservatives break away from the Republican party, the big winner are Republicans.
Hey, you saw Rubio fold like a cheap sombrero? It’s not hard shootin anymore.
Every RINO - to their demise [even RYAN!!] - has shown their cards and they will pay.
Baptism by fire.
Save America
NO
Our Constitution doesn't mention parties, so in other words, this party-dominated system is fundamentally extra-constitutional.
Our first reference point on this subject for years has been the strong warnings issued to posterity by our first, and best, President, in his Farewell Address:
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy. The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty. Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it. It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another. There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume." -- President George Washington, 1796 "There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution." -- President John Adams"I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.
Nope...But he was solidly pro America...I believe we as a Nation would be far better off without Nafta, the WTO and the NWO...
Not this time—this will be a movement beyond any one persons ego. It will bring sweeping change to the body politic. In the end the GOP will need to change of go the way of the Whigs.
A conservative third party would destroy the GOP within 2 election cycles. Without having to cater to conservatives, the GOP would lurch further left, until they reached a position midway between a true Conservative party and the Democrats. AT THAT POINT, the party will be shorn apart from both ends of the political spectrum.
The American Public would spew the lukewarm GOP out. You can’t straddle the fence and lead the charge at the same time.
The GOP would be dead within two elections cycles if Conservatives were willing to leave en masse.
The only thing left is a face of the new Conservative Party strong enough to bring along enough supporters to get the ball rolling. Palin and Levin followed shortly thereafter by the likes of Cruz and Gohmert would be enough.
The GOP will not survive the coming desertion of its base. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving group of plotters.
republicans pushing the same policies as democrats
0bamacare pushed thru.. no effort to repeal
republicans have controlled the house.. the spending... for two years... no cut in spending rate
now we’re going to get amnesty
if you vote republican, you might as well vote dem
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."That illustrates why Adams is my one of my two favorite Presidents (Coolidge is the other).
— President John Adams
And if the Republicans need us, they know where we are.
When, why, and how would that ever happen?
Bush the First (gave us Klinton)
Dole
Bush the Second (gave us the Obammunist)
Insane McCain
Mittens
Yeah buddy...the GOP establishment has a great track record the last few decades, don't they?
But go ahead, nominate Christie the Hutt or Jeb Bush, and see what that gets us...another Klinton in the WH.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Create that and the people will follow..
Thanks to Mitt Romney and his millions did that in 2012; Juan McCain, with the help of Rove, did that in 2008!
Many conservatives who watched that happen, stayed home on the first Tuesday in November, 2012, fewer did in '08 solely because of Sarah Palin!
If conservatives break away from the Republican Party, the big losers are Republicans, but the big winners are conservatives.
The Freedom Party will finally put the GOP to rest.
I have no problem at all to primary RINO’s. I do have a serious problem with replacing the RINO’s with loser candidate with result a democRAT wins and it is 10 times worst.
As an example I supported Cruz during the primaries because I liked his speaking ability. My hunch said he could win in the general. Please no more candidates like Akin and Hoffman.
“The only thing left is a face of the new Conservative Party strong enough to bring along enough supporters to get the ball rolling. Palin and Levin followed shortly thereafter by the likes of Cruz and Gohmert would be enough.”
I can’t see Levin ever leaving the Republican party. Hope I’m wrong. But even though he rants and yells and calls the RINO republicans he doesn’t like silly childish names, he is again going to be telling us he would vote for that orange juice can before he would vote for Hillary and exhorting us all to vote for Jeb Bush in 2016. He said Monday he doesn’t think 3rd party is the answer.
I am not so sure that we can just eliminate the idea, because it's almost a natural thing to want to be part of a group. Humans are pack animals....most of them anyway.
Some of us are lone wolves...I qualify for that as do you, as do most humans who lead rather than follow..but everyone can't lead so we have parties..
You could not be more wrong historically. The newspapers of the day were founded and funded by the political parties, not the other way around. The parties were a creation of the founding fathers themselves. If you are looking for the culprits, the three most responsible were Jefferson, Madison, and Hamilton, two who authored the Federalist Papers.
This is absurd. A third party will take votes away from Republicans. Period. End of Paragraph. End of Story. End of Book. Don’t delude yourself.
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