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Two Basic Human Groups?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1061681219#post1061681219 ^

Posted on 08/19/2013 7:19:55 AM PDT by varmintman

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21 posted on 08/19/2013 11:30:59 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Gosh that is a funny show. Interesting too. They generally give me some new dig to look up but when that guy comes on it is just pure popcorn fun. Aliens everywhere.
22 posted on 08/19/2013 11:44:26 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: varmintman; SunkenCiv; Slings and Arrows

Left out other telling features: our skeletons are meant for lower gravity; hence, flat feet, weak knees, and chronic backaches. Oh, and bunions! Can’t forget bunions; a fantastic clue to our other-world origins.

Good thing they came to a planet with compatible proteins, and that they had all those other hominids with them to confuse modern researchers regarding similarities of DNA.

Too bad, back in 1947, we killed the rescue mission that was sent to find & succor the survivors. No; we are not related to the Greys; they are artificial constructs—androids—used for routine ‘grunt work’.

Our ancestors didn’t have any with them; and being rich white conservative playboys, just had to muddle along as best they could, with the raw materials and at hand, having lost all advanced tech when their ship crashed...or the Intergalactic Prisons Commission kicked them out, naked and tooless.


23 posted on 08/19/2013 12:07:57 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Slings and Arrows

LOL, that kitty is perfect, right down to the squinty eyes!


24 posted on 08/19/2013 12:29:11 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (Ephesians 6:12 becomes more real to me with each news cycle.)
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To: To Hell With Poverty

It looks amazingly like one of my kitties, although mine doesn’t have the UFO obsession.


25 posted on 08/19/2013 1:12:37 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
although mine doesn’t have the UFO obsession.

Ours do. They are always hunting UFOs: unseen furry objects, AKA invisible mice. Especially when nipped. Catnip seems too open their dimensional eyes, allowing them to see into the unseen realm, and keep its denizens at bay.

Or, then again, it may just cause them to hallucinate.

26 posted on 08/19/2013 1:27:46 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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*chuckle* OK, maybe they are Giorgio’s cats.


27 posted on 08/19/2013 1:30:50 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows; NicknamedBob

Nicknamedbob and I have kicked about some story ideas that shade rather close to the premise that humans were created here, as well as came here.
The idea hasn’t been fleshed out real well, we haven’t put much into adding to the rough bones of it.


28 posted on 08/19/2013 1:56:57 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: ApplegateRanch; Lazamataz; GraceG; Wurlitzer
What was going on in 1947 was mainly people still tooling around in piston-engined aircraft, seeing jets for the first time. What was going on several thousand years ago was a small star system (centered around a dwarf star) being captured by a larger system which included a main sequence star.

Cosmos in Collision seems to start with the idea that our solar system was originally in two parts and the logic seems compelling:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt

If our solar system had arisen in any sort of an organized way, particularly if the planets had formed up from swirling masses of solar material as per the usual claim, you'd expect the axes of the planets to be roughly perpendicular to the plane of the system. The sun, Jupiter, and Mercury do in fact show that. Uranus and Venus are special cases of sorts, but Neptune, Saturn, Earth, and Mars with their roughly 26-degree axis tilts pretty much have to be an original system of some sort which was captured, by our sun, as a group. At least that's the simplest explanation for it.

There's also a question as to why anybody ever worshiped Jupiter and/or Saturn. Primitives looking for something in the sky to worship today would end up worshiping the sun and the moon, but the two chieftain gods of every one of those old religions were Jupiter and Saturn, and particularly Saturn. The main Roman religious festival was "Saturnalia" and our sabbath is still called "Saturn's Day".

Plato consistently referred to antediluvians as "Nurselings of Kronos (Saturn),and Hesiod and Ovid both refer to the pre-flood era as an age "when Saturn/Kronos was "King of Heaven". In the same language, our sun is the "King of Heaven" now.

29 posted on 08/19/2013 2:09:14 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: RedHeeler; ApplegateRanch

Uh, no. Thank you though, RH and AR for the additional ping.


30 posted on 08/19/2013 3:10:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Darksheare

This one was the last ‘new’ fiction I’d read in 20+ years, had to track it down through the interlibrary loan system at that time, anyway, recommended to me by a FReeper in open thread. The author later wrote “Kicking the Sacred Cow” which favorably (and pretty accurately) reviews Velikovsky’s body of work, among other things, and bitch-slaps the global warming hoax. Alas, late in his life he got nutty and embraced 9/11 truthism and Holocaust denial.

http://www.amazon.com/Inherit-Stars-The-Giants-Book/dp/1470843897

http://www.mangareader.net/inherit-the-stars

http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2010/07/free_fiction_inherit_the_stars_by_james_p_hogan/


31 posted on 08/19/2013 3:33:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Darksheare; Slings and Arrows

James P. Hogan did the humans-are-from-elsewhere story up very nicely, thank you. Although he did have them coming from elsewhere in this same solar system.

It was complicated, in the Worlds in Collision, When Worlds Collide sense of the term.

I’m still working on the physics of moving planets from one orbit to another, so I’m not too sure about these contentions. When your history depends more on accident than on intentions, it doesn’t seem too convincing.

Our species has less genetic variety than is prudent, outward appearances notwithstanding, but the conventional explanations seem to handle that pretty well; Toba and that sort of thing. We also have DNA from other hominid groups including Neanderthal, (redheads, pay attention!)

I’d argue that we are not particularly well adapted for survival anywhere, much less a completely alien world with unknown fauna. Hogan had it right when he dubbed this planet the nightmare world. But we wouldn’t be better off anywhere else, and having to face anything more advanced than mushrooms.

What worked for us from the beginning, just as it permits our survival today, is our ability to cooperate, and to pass knowledge on to others. That is the change that came about, and allowed a loser species in the realm of nature red with fang and claw to not only survive, but to thrive.


32 posted on 08/19/2013 3:43:12 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Modesty compels me to brag only about my modesty, at which I excel.)
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To: SunkenCiv; NicknamedBob; Slings and Arrows

Part of the story I’ve been pecking away at writing involves humans as genetically modified and spliced offspring of some other being.
And, of course, humans then themselves turn around later on and genetically splice and dice their own created “offspring.”
{Yes NNB, these would be the large twitch eared guys with carrot addiction.}


33 posted on 08/19/2013 3:53:47 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Wurlitzer

I’ve said for years that humankind is an evolutionary dead end because we are intelligent enough to interfere with natural selection.


34 posted on 08/19/2013 3:54:47 PM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (The average American voter is an idiot. Which is how the Dems want it.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Sure, “no, thank you;” yet here you are.

Knew you wouldn’t want it for any lists; but figured you’d be interested in reading it.


35 posted on 08/19/2013 4:48:52 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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;’) It’s been posted before.


36 posted on 08/19/2013 7:26:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Darksheare

large ears... carrot addiction... Allen Sherman flashback...


37 posted on 08/19/2013 8:10:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ahhh; it recognize, not did I.


38 posted on 08/19/2013 9:26:11 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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;’)


39 posted on 08/20/2013 4:42:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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