Watch Your Guns Around Obamacare

Townhall.com ^ | 10/21/2013 | Rachel Alexander

[rktman]

What does gun control have to do with health care? As odd as it seems, Obamacare contains provisions that jeopardize gun ownership, especially for veterans. Anti-gun provisions were added to initial drafts of Obamacare legislation under the pretext of prohibiting people with mental illness – which can include PTSD - from owning guns. Fortunately, the NRA stepped in and got some of the worst language revised last December. Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c. prohibits the creation of a firearms database and stops doctors from disclosing or collecting information relating to a patient’s firearms. Ironically, this provision was probably the only positive result of most members of Congress not bothering to read the bill before voting on it.

[Dracomeister]

Gee Doc, what part of “NONE OF YOUR (Expletive Deleted) BUSINESS” did you not understand?

[MrB]

Guns are effective in resisting tyranny.
That’s why the left despises them.

[Resolute Conservative]

Bingo. They already know. Being ambiguous does no good. All you can do is be prepared to fight.

[Jonty30]

What guns?

I don’t know what you’re talking about, doctor?

[Gaffer]

Mine all have baseball cards.

[KeyLargo]

Thank Goodness for Obamacare: Hidden Amendment Prevents Gun and Ammo Registry

Kyle Becker | On 09, Jan 2013

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/29003-thank-goodness-for-obamacare-hidden-amendment-prevents-gun-and-ammo-registry/

[Cyber Liberty]

“NO!” also means “I’m unarmed! Please send a thug or three to kill and rob me!” “Nunya Bidness” is the answer I will give.

[Lazamataz]

Do I have guns? NO! Guns are scary and dangerous! And they smell like oil!

So I've heard, anyways.

[Lazamataz]

NO!” also means “I’m unarmed! Please send a thug or three to kill and rob me!”

Oh, gosh, that would be awful. I bet all the thugs would just walk away with all my belongings and me in plastic cuffs, heading for a FEMA camp!

;^)

[JeanLM]

So I had a hip replaced and got home health care, which I didn’t really need but the nurse showed up anyway. She quizzed me on dressing and drugs taking, I guess to make sure I was mentally ok...this was a bit offensive. But she was nice so I cooperated. Then she asked how many guns I had in the house. I asked her why my hip replacement required that I answer that question. She said she had to ask but I didn’t have to answer, so I didn’t.

This was before Obamacare rules so it is there still I’m sure.

[a fool in paradise]

Obama himself is supplying guns to narcoterrorists in Mexico and to Islamic jihadists in Syria.

FUBO

[BuffaloJack]

> I did not go in for my “welcome to Medicare” free interview.

What interview?
I signed up for “A” only about 2 years ago.

[VerySadAmerican]

I’m depressed. I have been since Obama made his first speech and relatives started slobbering all over themselves. So I went out and bought a gun right after he was elected. I sold it through a newspaper ad and I have no idea what the buyer’s name was. Guns scare me.

(Did you get all that, NSA?)

[rktman]

LOL! Gun control is peon control. We used to have nut houses all over the country but the libs had them emptied to gain voters and because they didn’t want the inmates to “feel bad” about themselves. Some people just need locking up for our own good. I mean their own good. Ooopppps!

[grania]

You did not get a letter for a free medical checkup? The one with all of the nosey questions?

[Travis T. OJustice]

I lost ‘em all in a terrible boating accident years ago.

;)

[Kaslin]

It's not necessary to excerpt the article

Watch Your Guns Around Obamacare

Rachel Alexander | Oct 21, 2013

>What does gun control have to do with health care? As odd as it seems, Obamacare contains provisions that jeopardize gun ownership, especially for veterans. Anti-gun provisions were added to initial drafts of Obamacare legislation under the pretext of prohibiting people with mental illness – which can include PTSD - from owning guns. Fortunately, the NRA stepped in and got some of the worst language revised last December. Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c. prohibits the creation of a firearms database and stops doctors from disclosing or collecting information relating to a patient’s firearms. Ironically, this provision was probably the only positive result of most members of Congress not bothering to read the bill before voting on it.

However, the provision does not go as far as prohibiting doctors from asking their patients if there are any firearms in their home. In January, Obama issued 23 executive actions and orders regarding firearms. Order 16 stressed that Obamacare does not prohibit doctors from asking patients about their firearms, and the fact sheet includes, “Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence.” What constitutes a “threat of violence” could be very arbitrary. This puts doctors in a difficult position by suggesting they act as pseudo-law enforcement agents. It is damaging to doctor-patient privilege. If doctors have a patient with PTSD or mental illness, and they fail to ask the patient about their firearms, or report them to law enforcement, they could be on the hook later. It encourages them to err on the side of snooping into their patients’ guns. This is especially troubling considered the definition of mental illness keeps expanding.

The state of Florida implemented legislation that would have severely restricted a doctor’s ability to ask a patient about guns at home, but a federal court struck it down as unconstitutional. After the NRA got that provision added, the organization backed off on pressing for further changes, no doubt because trying to get more changes done at that time would have been impossible with the Democratic-controlled Senate and presidency. But there are still areas within our healthcare laws that could prohibit Americans from owning firearms – specifically our veterans.

In the 1990s, the Clinton administration ordered the Department of Veteran Affairs to share information about 90,000 veterans considered “mentally defective” by the VA to the FBI, so they could be added to the national instant check system (NICS) as prohibited possessors. To be declared “mentally defective” by the VA does not require an adjudication; it could be a doctor merely finding that a veteran has a mental illness and “lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs.” That could easily be held to apply to a veteran with PTSD who is simply in a wheelchair. The definition of “mental defective” by Veteran Affairs expanded under Clinton in 1999. The number of Americans now in the prohibited possessors database has increased to over 550,000 and 11 percent of them are veterans. Nearly 40 percent of veterans are believed to have PTSD.

Under Obamacare, federal agencies like the ATF can still pore over health records and determine who has mental issues or PTSD. There is nothing in Obamacare that prohibits another federal agency from compiling a database of gun owners.

Gun Owners of America warns that the next step will be linking insurance with gun ownership. Some private insurers, including State Farm and Prudential, drop homeowners from their policies for owning certain types of guns or not using trigger locks. It’s not difficult to see how this could be adopted as a requirement of Obamacare in the vague name of “health.”

The problem with linking gun control with health care is that everyone knows gun crimes are almost always caused by criminals who illegally obtained the weapons, not law-abiding gun owners. Painting all veterans who have PTSD as potential criminals isn’t going to stop the real criminals. There are hundreds of shooting and hunting excursions available for veterans today to specifically help them cope with PTSD. To arbitrarily exclude all of these patriots from rehabilitation with proven results is political manipulation at its worst. Taya Kyle, the widow of the American Sniper who was shot by a mentally ill veteran while helping him shoot for rehabilitation, now speaks out against restricting Second Amendment rights. It wasn’t the killer's PTSD that caused the murder, he had a much more troubled history than just PTSD.

Organizations like the NRA and Gun Owners of America continue to expose these sneaky backdoor attempts at gun control. There are plenty of health-care groups clamoring to have Obamacare limit gun ownership, like the American Academy of Pediatrics. They’re not going to stop, as revisions can still be added to Obamacare to tweak it. David Satcher, a surgeon general under President Bill Clinton, who headed the Centers for Disease Control in the 1990s, is blatantly open that the goal is to create a national database of gun owners through Obamacare. “Privacy needs to be protected, but it’s important that this kind of data be gathered,” he said. These feel-good measures actually endanger safety, not promote it. As the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre says, “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

[KeyLargo]

New EPA Regs Force Last Lead Smelter in USA to Close
By Nick Leghorn on October 21, 2013

According to TFB, the final source for lead in the United States will be forced to shut down thanks to the new EPA standards that the Obama administration is mandating. Apparently the facility would cost $100 million to bring up to code, and the company that runs it would rather strip the site and sell it than spend the money to refurbish it. From STL Today . . .

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/

[rktman]

Hey Kas. I didn’t want to take up too much space and left it up to the FReepers to decide if they wanted to read the whole thing. Sometimes I just read the excerpt and it’s enough to make blood squirt from my eyes. LOL!

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

“When asked about my hearing loss and if it is firearm related, I simply tell them too many years of LOUD guitars.”

I simply tell them, “Too many years on small stages, with the drummer’s cymbals in one ear or the other. I played sitting down. Pedal steel. Terrible tinnitis from the ride cymbals.