Skip to comments.Physicist: There was no Fukushima nuclear disaster
Posted on 10/29/2013 9:11:15 AM PDT by Twotone
I have watched a TV programme called Fear Factor. In the series there are contestants who have to confront their worst fears to see who bails out and who can fight the fear and get through.
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My computer gives me a warning when I try to reach that site.
it was interesting. It will also be interesting to read this author’s opinion after reviewing cancer and birth defect data in the following decades.
I didn’t have any difficulty, & I have good anti-virus software.
Yes. Fukushima is similar to Two Mile Island. Hysteria all over the place, nuclear plants shut down, no more nuclear development, and all over maybe ONE casualty.
The Tsunami waves did terrible damage to Japan, and they wrecked that nuclear plant. But the amount of radiation released is negligible—although I’ve heard people say that you shouldn’t go swimming in the ocean off California if the currents are flowing the wrong way.
Nuclear power is far cleaner and safer than other kinds of power—and it’s basically renewable, if someone would just cancel the Jimmy Carter rules that say you have to take all the nuclear waste out and bury it. No, burial of most “nuclear waste” is not a requirement of nuclear power as such—it’s a Jimmy Carter regulation, and you can guess how much sense anything that he did makes.
It’s hard to know who to believe, but we do know that we get too much hysterical nonsense out of the environmentalists. We need to step back and make sure we’re looking at good, solid scientific facts. It’ll just take a while to get that.
There is no spoon.
In my town there is a “superfund” site a huge park like area surrounded by a fence. When some methane gas leaked about 30 years ago it caused a nearby upscale housing development to stop in its tracks, new homes were boarded up.
I called the EPA to get the facts. The ONLY risk is that its possible some tiny streams will develop metal levels above those permitted because wild waterfowl might frequent them. Even this has NEVER happened. The site remains fenced 30 years later.
On NPR (of all places) a guy who sounded like he had impressive experience in these matters, said all those tanks where they are storing the “radioactive” water are in fact holding water that is far below international radioactive limits. There is no rational reason not to dump that clean water into the ocean and the only reason they don’t is they know there will be OUTRAGE over POISONING the oceans.
The author is correct in many of his points, but I would caution everyone to not gloss over the potential for real danger at Fukushima, and I certainly wouldn’t title an article ‘There was no Fukushima nuclear disaster’.
The melted remnants of the cores are sitting on their respective containment floors. Thus two layers of safety have been breached, with only one layer remaining. No one knows how well containment integrity withstood the massive earthquake, nor does anyone know when the next massive earthquake might occur.
Furthermore, thousands have been displaced from their homes, out of good sense caution.
However, the author is very correct that the danger that has actually ocurred is way overblown.
Hiroshima is looking pretty good these days.........
I hear Hiroshima and Nagasaki are modern cities due to the rebuilding. Does anyone know what remaining effect the bombings had?
Anti-nuclear hysteria is just that. Eco-nuts panic over just about anything that doesn’t fit their organic/dream-like existence. ted kennedy killed more people in the US than any nuclear accidents.
Amen to that, Brother!
Years ago I worked at a nuclear power plant during a refueling (called an "outage"). We were doing routine maintenance while the reactor was shut down. Once the job was finished we had a container partially filled with "low level nuclear waste". We were required to weigh the container and certify that weight in triplicate. Three forms, three people verify & sign.
What was this "low level nuclear waste"? The power tools and hand tools used in the "hot" work areas are kept in the secure "hot tool storage" between "outages", stored in heavy polyethylene bags which are taped shut with duct tape. When we checked these out of "hot tool storage" at the beginning of the job we removed these plastic bags. These bags and duct tape were now "low level nuclear waste". Disposable booties and rubber gloves also made up a large part of the total.
If we came out of a hot area and a small piece of mildly radioactive dust or dirt on our protective clothing or booties set off the Geiger counter alarm, we used a strip of 2" wide masking tape, wrapped a sticky side out around a hand, to grab the offending particle. This now became "low level nuclear waste". The Geiger alarm was set to sound at a reading of 150 dpm. IF you go to a sporting goods store and check the replacement mantle for Coleman gas lanterns you will find they read 2000 dpm.
Thousands of homes were also destroyed by the tsunami........coincidence?
The effects were so widespread that Detroit has never recovered.......
I just read this article about Fukushima — methinks there hasn’t been near enough hysteria over this mess, which could indeed play out to be an “On the Beach” scenario - no mention of GE as one of the incompetents here, but they should also be included. If you are anti-nuke or pro-nuke, it doesn’t matter - we need the Facts - we deserve to know what is really going on and why the MSM blackout.
The Japanese company was to blame for building the reactor in a vulnerable place and not protecting it sufficiently from a tsunami. Apparently they are rare on that part of the coast, but even a slight chance should have been avoided.
As for the duplicity and silence of the MSM, that’s what they always do. It’s politically correct to hate nuclear power, so they hate nuclear power. They don’t want to know the truth, they just want to ensure that nuclear power continues to be blocked.
Tens of thousands of homes near the coast were damaged by the tsunami. Tens of thousands of homes were damaged by the earthquake. They will have to be repaired/rebuilt.
But because of Fukushima, thousands of intact homes have been evacuated until the danger has minimized. I believe that some of them may be re-occupied sometime this decade. Most will be ready for immediate re-occupancy.
Allow me to indulge a pet-peeve. If, as you write, the “area would be radiated,” that means that the land would be emitting some sort of radiation whereas, more properly, a target is irradiated. Look at it this way, the Sun radiates light and the Earth is irradiated by the light.
I thoroughly enjoyed a reporter commenting that the Fukushima accident radiated people. This statement means that people were flying through air with the Fukushima plant as the point of origin. The reporter meant to say that the Fukushima plant “irradiated” people.
Similarly, you meant to write “the area would be irradiated.”
Sorry for being the pedant.
External contamination and exposure are manageable occupational hazards. Time, distance, shielding, PPE, dosimetry. On the job we have all sorts of controls for safety.
The problem for the general public is internal contamination, primarily due to bioaccumulation of isotopes that are ingested (cesium, strontium) or inhaled (radioiodine, respirable dust). Particularly insidious are the alpha emitters, since those can be difficult to detect and from a radiation quality standpoint are about 20X worse than gamma photons. Much of what we accumulate in plant work or (especially) in NORM scenarios is alpha emmitting.
I am all for tight accounting for and segregation of radioactive waste. The point about the very slightly radioactive waster is valid, though I think it needs to be dumped out in very deep ocean, not near shore where it will bioaccumulate in seafood. The Japanese diet (small ‘d’) is VERY seafood-dependent. Its all about keeping those pesky Bequerels out of the human environment.
Funny how leftists keep insisting they are the bastion of freely available science and against the type of superstitions calling a gun evil.
Well blow me down! I would have thought it was the Japanese govt. that chose the location for the plant, not the company that built it.
And who woulda thought 45 years ago that a once in a millenium tsunami would come along and destroy it and that coastline.........
And while we're using your logic, how stupid were those multi-generational people in choosing to live on that coast anyway?
If you say so.....since I barely made it thru high school I'll have to take your word for it.
I would have to get someone who REALLY knows what he is talking about get all technical on me!
Just kidding. Thanks for the detailed, informative reply!
As you say, just be careful not to ingest alpha emitters and wash your outsides and that will take care of a lot of the problem.
Is the contaminated water mostly a problem with tritium? Decay releases beta radiation?
It is until it isn't. Then it's a real mess. The cost of failure is staggering. There's a major accident it seems like every 10 years. If you add up the total costs of nuclear it is far more expensive than coal and natural gas. It's in the cost range of wind power, which is why no nuclear plants are being built without a whole lot of government.
Post proof. I do not believe that.
Thank you for this report, it mirrors my own beliefs so far.
3 Mile Island was 24/7 with the Media as I recall. China Syndrome, the movie, came out shortly thereafter. Talk about Hype.
I look at Fukushima the same way I looked at the BP oil debacle. International help was needed & offered & rejected by our PINO until things got good and greasy. In Japan’s case, this mess will affect more than just the people who live in that area if some serious intervention doesn’t happen soon, IMHO.
Wind average estimate: $86.60/MWh
Advanced nuclear: $108.40/MWh
Suggested conservative Cato org article (convinced me): Nuclear Energy: Risky Business
There were stone markers hundreds of years old giving warnings of the hazards of tsunami in that location, as well as others. They built inside of the warned area.
Sometimes, no matter how “stupid” or “primitive” you think something is, it’s just plain worth listening to regardless...
Are you referring to the Brio site?
Recognize this — based on current radiological specifications as imposed on the nuclear power industry, commercial airlines would be restricted to 12,000 feet.
Tritium is a weak beta emitter. I think the good news is that it isn’t something the body grabs onto and doesn’t let go, like iodine or strontium. I don’t know if that is the main problem with this water. I haven’t seen any radiochemistry reports. It’s all about the picocuries/ml and the isotope/dose equivalence.
Stimulating discussion. Thanks!
I’m sure there were Indians wondering what the French thought they were doing in building New Orleans, and the French wondered what the English were doing when they laid out the 9th ward.
Indian #1 “What are the white guys doing down there. Don’t they know that floods?”
Indian #2 “I don’t think they do.”
Indian #1 “You gonna tell them?”
Indian #2 “They’ll figure it out.”
This was so played up by the media that we had people here literally afraid of a cloud of radiation coming over and killing everyone. In the grand scheme of things the nuke part of it was a non-event.
“Never let a crisis go to waste.”
I have a friend who’s still worried that the ocean is contaminated, & those waters will contaminate US beaches as currents move around the ocean. I’ve tried to explain things, but she just can’t seem to understand.
Dr Kemm’s opinion is very similar to that of a retired LRL physicist for whom I’ve done work from time to time.
But interestingly enough he has an elaborate fallout shelter in his back yard. (I know, different hazard)
>> “ In the grand scheme of things the nuke part of it was a non-event.” <<
Except for the expenditure of copious quantities of money to manage it.
I got through 25 minutes of the video. But when they claimed a million deaths from Chernobyl I couldn’t take it anymore. Here’s a short excerpt from Wikipedia:
“During mid-1986 the official Soviet death toll was raised from 2 to 31, a figure that has often been repeated. While some claim that deaths as a result of the immediate aftermath and the cleanup operation may number at least 6000, that exceeds the number of workers believed to have died from all causes by the National Committee for Radiation Protection of the Ukrainian Population.”
They don’t do themselves any favors when they make such extreme statements.
Seriously though, they are still trying to fabricate a "final" solution to Chernobyl.....and Fukushima is on the verge of becoming completely out of control.........these are facts, plain and simple........
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