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Halifax woman felt 'disgusting' after martial arts class separated by gender
TORONTO SUN ^ | JANUARY 15, 2014 | KRIS SIMS, QMI AGENCY

Posted on 01/15/2014 3:59:48 PM PST by rickmichaels

HALIFAX -- Politicians are scrambling to put a brave face on an ugly situation at a Halifax recreation centre.

Sonja Power, 17, was on the cusp of earning her black belt in Aikido at a Halifax dojo when a new man joined the class. He refused to be in contact with women or to spar with any of the female students.

Power and the other women were told to stay on one side of the room and not to approach the Muslim man to respect his faith.

"I felt like a second class citizen, that I was so disgusting and unworthy that this man doesn't even want to interact with me," Power told QMI Agency. "It doesn't make any sense, why would something you choose, your religion, trump something I'm born with, my gender, we wouldn't let a religion trump someone's race."

The incident happened more than a year ago and Power's mother, Michele Walsh, said she has contacted every level of government but was ignored. She said the sensei told her to "get used to" the gender separation.

A similar situation at York University reignited the issue.

"I don't think anybody's rights should be trampled, so as a person of faith and as a woman I would be offended by this on both sides," said Candice Bergen, minister of state for Social Development speaking in Halifax. "We've seen organizations across the country for decades being able to (compromise) there's no reason this organization and this individual not to be able to do that."

Religion and gender are both protected human rights.

The City of Halifax, which owns the recreation centre, refused to comment citing privacy concerns, but said the city tries to work out human rights concerns between the parties.


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KEYWORDS: aikido; canada; dojo; halifax; halifaxdojo; islam; muslim; muslims; waronwomen; women
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1 posted on 01/15/2014 3:59:48 PM PST by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

I’d look at that particular religious quirk as more beneficial to the non-muslim.


2 posted on 01/15/2014 4:02:25 PM PST by skeeter
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To: rickmichaels

If he’s a muslim, I think the Government’s position will be “tough luck lady, his culture lets him discriminate against women.”


3 posted on 01/15/2014 4:02:33 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: rickmichaels

Learn to stand up to muslims while the cost is cheap or else get used to being ruled by them.


4 posted on 01/15/2014 4:02:35 PM PST by marron
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To: rickmichaels

She might be grateful for the distance.


5 posted on 01/15/2014 4:04:05 PM PST by lurk
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To: rickmichaels

I never had a problem with women in the classes (especially since they were usually *extremely* not guilty)... but they should definitely not be paired with men during sparing

as for the muslim, I don’t care. screw them.


6 posted on 01/15/2014 4:04:07 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: rickmichaels

He was just afraid he would get his ass kicked by a girl.


7 posted on 01/15/2014 4:04:20 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: rickmichaels

Why “respect” the Moslem faith? The Moslem respects no one else.


8 posted on 01/15/2014 4:05:22 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: rickmichaels

But “Curves” is totally OK to have no men.

I am not in any muzzie’s corner bit women can self-segregate based on sex (not gender), then why can’t they be segregated?

And of course, she has to throw in the usually, shrill, feminazi “I felt like a 2nd class citizen” instead of the more normal “God, what an a-hole! I don’t think I like this class anymore and will go to a different one.”

But it is funny to see worlds collide. I am not rooting for either of them but there can be only one winner.


9 posted on 01/15/2014 4:05:25 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: sten


The infidel and her mother.
10 posted on 01/15/2014 4:05:45 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: sten
...but they should definitely not be paired with men during sparing [sic]

Black belt candidate? In Aikido? You would be well-advised to reconsider your statement.

11 posted on 01/15/2014 4:07:33 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: rickmichaels

I think that if a martial arts teacher wants to separate the sexes, he has a perfect right to.

On the other hand, if a martial arts class has always mixed the sexes, with the agreement of the teacher and the students, and then a Muslim comes along and demands they be separated, that’s a whole other matter.

I’d tell the Muslim that if he doesn’t like the way classes are run, he can go somewhere else.


12 posted on 01/15/2014 4:08:05 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rickmichaels
It doesn't make any sense, why would something you choose, your religion, trump something I'm born with, my gender, we wouldn't let a religion trump someone's race.

Ah, the tragedies of conflict between the protected classes! I need a program to help identify the players, perhaps a laminated card with a flowchart of the Hierarchy Of Oppression so we know whose rights trump whose. I have a hunch I could guess who'd be at the bottom.

13 posted on 01/15/2014 4:08:35 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: rickmichaels
Ah...waiting for their value to be determined, eh?

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14 posted on 01/15/2014 4:08:41 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: rickmichaels

Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

Frontline ^ | Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 7:07:45 PM by engrpat..."Received this in a email today.///Thought I would pass it on for everyones information."
(from a soon to be released major work - see book credit at end)

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components.
The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization:
Occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called "religious rights."
When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to "the reasonable" Muslim demands for their "religious rights," they also get the other components under the table.

Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)). As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%

China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby
securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris -- car-burnings). Any non- Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide: Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" -- the Islamic House of Peace - there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%


Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons..."Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me
against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel."
-- Leon Uris, "The Haj"

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat..
www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm

Oh, I think Americans figured out what Islam "is", a long time ago...

"The Koran demands perpetual war against all who deny Mahomet as the prophet of God" - John Quincy Adams
"Treachery and violence are taught as principles of Mohamet's religion" - John Quincy Adams
"While the merciless dogmas of Muhammad remain there can never be peace upon earth" - John Quincy Adams

We've been warned.

15 posted on 01/15/2014 4:09:11 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: freedumb2003
But it is funny to see worlds collide.

I agree.

I see it as simply a financial consideration for the facility. If they have enough demand for single-sex classes, run them. If they don't have enough demand to make it worthwhile, tell both sexes that they're going to have to associate or go somewhere else.

16 posted on 01/15/2014 4:09:16 PM PST by Tax-chick (Tell the mad chameleon he's not welcome anymore.)
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To: Tax-chick

>>I see it as simply a financial consideration for the facility. <<

If I read the article correctly it is public facility so I don’t think financial concerns are at issue except for a lawsuit from one side or the other.


18 posted on 01/15/2014 4:11:11 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: Jewbacca

She has no business sparing with men to start with. Men have to take it easy on her to make her feel good or either beat the hell out of her and kicked out of the class. I don’t usually side with Muslims, but this gal needs a reality check. She’s not a man.


19 posted on 01/15/2014 4:11:56 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("Rather than love, than money, than fame, then give truth" ~ Henry David Thoreau)
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To: rickmichaels

Suck it up Power. Now you know what it’s like to be unfairly discriminated against in the name of political correctness.


20 posted on 01/15/2014 4:12:34 PM PST by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: rickmichaels

Settle it with trial by combat.


21 posted on 01/15/2014 4:13:36 PM PST by Ray76
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To: freedumb2003

Well, yeah.


22 posted on 01/15/2014 4:14:23 PM PST by Tax-chick (Tell the mad chameleon he's not welcome anymore.)
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To: rickmichaels

I knew exactly where this was headed when I read “a new man joined .” Muzzies don’t like to be around adult women. It goes against emulating their pedo messiah.


23 posted on 01/15/2014 4:14:48 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: rickmichaels

Speaking as a woman, I would consider it a pleasure and a relief to be separated from Muslim men. Insult and disgust can go both ways.


24 posted on 01/15/2014 4:14:54 PM PST by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: NKP_Vet

On the other hand, she just need to kick your ass to prove you’re wrong.


25 posted on 01/15/2014 4:15:09 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Irenic


It was a nice little sale until Elizabeth Warren came over and took all your food for free.
26 posted on 01/15/2014 4:15:14 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (“The only thing that can save us is if Kerry wins the Nobel prize and leaves us alone.”-Moshe Yaal)
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To: Steely Tom

Not only do Western Governments allow Muslims to discriminate against women, but it also lets them rape, marry off their minor children and allows them to perform genital mutilation on their daughters, all in the name of Diversity.

After all, Islam is the Left’s favorite religion.


27 posted on 01/15/2014 4:16:17 PM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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To: ottbmare

And the smell would be kept down.


28 posted on 01/15/2014 4:16:48 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: rickmichaels
Respect must earned, not (necessary) given...
this Muslim (goat rapist) must be shown the door.
this Sensei Guy mush be Hard-up for $$$$.

29 posted on 01/15/2014 4:17:32 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
I knew exactly where this was headed when I read “a new man joined .” Muzzies don’t like to be around adult women. It goes against emulating their pedo messiah.

Yeah, and their preferences have to be accommodated, while everyone else's preferences are used for toilet paper.

You know why? Simple. Because they'll kill you if you disagree with them. And liberals are just fine with that.

30 posted on 01/15/2014 4:17:32 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: rickmichaels

So it took a year for the whiny feminist crybaby liberal to gin up some sympathy? Awwww, she ran to mommy for solace too. Bless her heart...


31 posted on 01/15/2014 4:17:32 PM PST by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: rickmichaels

Makes me wonder what FAA-accredited flight school this Muslim is enrolled in.


32 posted on 01/15/2014 4:18:12 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Dr. Sivana

hahahaha!


33 posted on 01/15/2014 4:18:16 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: Ray76; All
"Settle it with trial by combat."

That would be the ticket.

34 posted on 01/15/2014 4:21:08 PM PST by 88keys ("work and purpose"...election 2014!)
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To: rickmichaels

She ought to go over and kick him in the nuts.


35 posted on 01/15/2014 4:21:36 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Ray76
Settle it with trial by combat.
Yeah, Let the Neophyte (pussy man :) fight the Black Belt (real woman)...
televise it, thoughtout the Muslim World..Who's the Wimp.

36 posted on 01/15/2014 4:22:27 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: Billthedrill

I am a Christian and my gut reaction is to favor the woman; however, religion is not something we faithful consider to be something we choose. Christians believe that their faith is a gift of God. You can’t choose faith.

The Muslim should either abide by the rules or find another class. What he is demanding is not “reasonable accommodation.”


37 posted on 01/15/2014 4:24:39 PM PST by NCLaw441
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To: Billthedrill

I am a Christian and my gut reaction is to favor the woman; however, religion is not something we faithful consider to be something we choose. Christians believe that their faith is a gift of God. You can’t choose faith.

The Muslim should either abide by the rules or find another class. What he is demanding is not “reasonable accommodation.”


38 posted on 01/15/2014 4:24:39 PM PST by NCLaw441
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To: Cicero
I’d tell the Muslim that if he doesn’t like the way classes are run, he can go somewhere else.

He would sue and problem win. Islam trumps all it seems..

39 posted on 01/15/2014 4:25:53 PM PST by cardinal4
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To: 88keys

Well the aggrieved is in a martial arts class.


40 posted on 01/15/2014 4:26:04 PM PST by Ray76
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To: rickmichaels

“I don’t think anybody’s rights should be trampled, so as a person of faith and as a woman I would be offended by this on both sides,”

Sorry, lady. Seems the rights of a muslim are slightly higher on the priority list than those of everyone else.


41 posted on 01/15/2014 4:30:32 PM PST by jughandle
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To: rickmichaels

touch or spar with a female is very very different than giving him his own half the dojo


42 posted on 01/15/2014 4:31:25 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: rickmichaels
"I felt like a second class citizen, that I was so disgusting and unworthy that this man doesn't even want to interact with me," Power

She doesn't like being dumped!!!

43 posted on 01/15/2014 4:32:05 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Jewbacca
"I don't think anybody's rights should be trampled, so as a person of faith and as a woman I would be offended by this on both sides," said Candice Bergen,

There is no right to make someone else fight you

44 posted on 01/15/2014 4:33:05 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: rickmichaels

“I don’t think anybody’s rights should be trampled, so as a person of faith and as a woman I would be offended by this on both sides,” said Candice Bergen, minister of state for Social Development speaking in Halifax.


So that’s what happened to “Murphy Brown”!


45 posted on 01/15/2014 4:33:58 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Cicero

he didn’t have to fight them or anything, but having his own section of the place seems out of bounds


46 posted on 01/15/2014 4:34:18 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Jewbacca

She’s got a bit of a “fivehead”, but I’d spar with her.


47 posted on 01/15/2014 4:35:48 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: rickmichaels

Muslims shouldn’t be taught martial arts.


48 posted on 01/15/2014 4:38:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: sten

I enjoying sparring with the women. I feel it is my responsibility (as an assistant instructor) to hone their skills. Fact is, if they are ever attacked, it will likely be by a male and they need to learn how to defend themselves in a controlled situation where no-one is going to get hurt so that if it every comes down to a street attack, they have some strategies to defend themselves.

You just pull the punches and kicks.

We had one woman at one of the school wide belt tests that only knew one way to spar and that was 100% effort. She had been chastised for hurting people. When we started picking partners, no-one could see her standing right there in the midst of everyone.

I sparred her several rounds just merely defending against her kicks and punches and I did not throw anything. That is very tiring on the attackers part. She learned something that day. The next folks that sparred her did not get hit nearly as hard.

In our program, one does not begin actual contact sparring until orange belt. Either way, there is not a problem with upper belts and lower belts sparring. One is learning and the other is teaching. Hopefully the upper belt is responsible enough to not just beat the lower belt to a pulp. That would be stopped immediately in or program.

That said, I am a blue belt (about half way to black) and my most favorite time is sparring people getting their black belts at the tests. The soreness wears off after a month or so. (^;


49 posted on 01/15/2014 4:58:29 PM PST by Clay Moore ("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ~Voltaire)
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To: TigersEye

I lived in Halifax for more than 10 years. It’s a small Canadian city with a total population of about 350,000, with a mix of urban, suburban and rural (mostly fishing villages and coastal properties). 15 years ago the muslim population was barely visible. Those muslims that did live in Halifax were quite secular in their dress and habits and they mingled quite freely with the local population (a mix of Scottish, Irish, English and French - with a smattering of immigrants and some descendants of freed American slaves). 15 years later, the muslim population has exploded and the newcomers are coming from hardcore middle eastern countries and bringing their strident islamic views with them. It is very common now in Halifax to see women with the Niqjab or full Burka, men with long beards and multiple “wives”.

Does anyone really think that several thousand hardcore muslims from hot, dry middle eastern countries chose to settle in a coastal Canadian city that is cold and damp in winter and which has nothing to offer them in terms of food markets, restaurants or mosques?

The powers that be in the middle east are colonizing western countries and they are doing so in a way that will ensure that muslims populate every town, village and city in North America, as they have in Europe. They want to make it politically impractical for politicians to criticize islam and they have no intention of blending into Canadian or American society. Although still relatively small in terms of the overall population of Halifax, they already have a couple of muslim private schools and have plans to build a mosque. The Trojan Horse of immigration has ensured that the enemy is already within the city gates.


50 posted on 01/15/2014 5:01:47 PM PST by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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