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Sheriff rips apart 'Stand Your Ground' defence of ex-cop ....
The Daily Mail Online ^ | January 17, 2014 | WILL PAYNE IN LAKE O' LAKES, FLORIDA

Posted on 01/17/2014 6:15:54 AM PST by Uncle Chip

'Why didn't he just sit somewhere else?'

The Sheriff leading the investigation into the cinema shooting which happened after a row over texting has told MailOnline there is no chance of a Stand Your Ground defence, saying, ‘It was an empty movie theatre. If he was scared why didn’t he move seats?’.

Sheriff Chris Nocco has completely dismissed shooter Curtis Reeves’ claims that he gunned down Chad Oulson because he feared for his safety and said there is no way he can use Florida’s controversial self-defence law.

He is convinced the retired cop, 71, simply lost his temper after married father-of-one Oulson refused to stop texting and then threw a bag of popcorn at his killer’s face.

Reeves’ attorney Richard Escobar suggested on Wednesday that his client was not hit with popcorn and was actually attacked with another more dangerous object.

However Sheriff Nocco has completely dismissed that idea, saying nothing else was thrown and that Monday’s shooting is an open and shut case....

One of the key elements is that the theater was not packed so there was ample opportunity for anybody to move their seat if they wanted to....

Today Richard Escobar was quoted as saying something more than popcorn was thrown.

He told The Tampa Bay Times: ‘If it was popcorn, don't you think the detective would have written popcorn? It's an unknown object, dark in color. Those facts will come out.’

But Nocco hit back: ‘There is absolutely nothing to prove anything else was thrown.’....

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Local News; UFO's
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To: Wolfie

Whoppers malted milk balls?


21 posted on 01/17/2014 6:59:20 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: Uncle Chip

If he was peeved by someone texting in a movie theater, imagine how peeved he’ll be in his prison pod, eating spam with a plastic spoon and listening to 19 year old red haired pimple face Johnny Meth-Head ramble on endlessly about how bad ass he used to be. (tee hee!)


22 posted on 01/17/2014 7:01:37 AM PST by LittleBillyInfidel (This tagline has been formatted to fit the screen. Some content has been edited.)
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To: Uncle Chip
I hate to be laughing when a man is dead . . . but the ludicrous nature of the defense just invites laughter.

If this is the best this guy can do for a defense, I hope the jury laughs out loud . . . and then convicts him of everything in sight.

It is a heart-warming feeling for a lawyer when his opponent is arguing and you see one of the jurors in the box fold her arms and snort. That happened to me once, and it was a happy day (the jury was out only 20 minutes and returned a verdict in our favor. It took them that long to elect a foreman and send out for coffee.)

I hope something similar happens here.

23 posted on 01/17/2014 7:03:01 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: ratzoe

JuJuBees tend to bounce off their target —

Milk Duds and even Junior Mints have far superior sticking power and fly better than Raisinettes.

But I don’t want to give anybody any ideas.


24 posted on 01/17/2014 7:03:43 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
The Sheriff should rip it apart. Stand your ground is about life and death situations. It's not an excuse to shoot people who piss you off and it's certainly not an excuse to escalate a situation because you've got a gun in your pocket. This idiot ex-cop went and confirmed every opponent's fears about SYG who warned us the law would be an excuse for hot-heads to go and do exactly what he went and did.

And this is why the SYG defense needs to be shot down and this guy needs to go to prison --where he can join that other idiot from Jacksonville who murdered that kid for playing his rap music too loud.

25 posted on 01/17/2014 7:07:01 AM PST by Drew68
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To: AnAmericanMother

I too hate to laugh too — but you either laugh or you cry at this.

Initially his defenders here and elsewhere were postulating the popcorn defense but abandoned that rather quickly.

With the UFO defense his attorney is somehow alleging that the victim had three hands — one for his cell phone, one for the bag of popcorn that he threw, and a third arm for that UFO that he threw.

Perhaps he is going to allege that the victim himself was an three-armed Alien — just before he files the insanity defense.


26 posted on 01/17/2014 7:13:52 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: MrB

I’m a major proponent of stand your ground, CCW, open carry etc but I can tell you I would never even think to shoot somebody for throwing popcorn on me if thats what happened. Thats just not cause for fear for your life. I don’t see a jury looking at it that way either.

If the guy threw popcorn on you and said I’m going to eff you up and came at you then maybe you have a defense.


27 posted on 01/17/2014 7:14:21 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Uncle Chip
I wonder if all the freeper defenders of this crazy ex cop will be out again today or are they embarrassed by their comments from yesterday.
28 posted on 01/17/2014 7:20:01 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter
I wonder if all the freeper defenders of this crazy ex cop will be out again today or are they embarrassed by their comments from yesterday.

One would hope. People like this defendant not only weaken the "Stand Your Ground" laws by trying to use them without justification, they also feed into the liberal viewpoint that people with CCW permits are all gun-crazy nutjobs. For the benefit of both the law and the ability to carry, this guy needs to face the consequences for his actions.

29 posted on 01/17/2014 7:28:15 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Ditter
I wonder if all the freeper defenders of this crazy ex cop will be out again today or are they embarrassed by their comments from yesterday.

One would hope. People like this defendant not only weaken the "Stand Your Ground" laws by trying to use them without justification, they also feed into the liberal viewpoint that people with CCW permits are all gun-crazy nutjobs. For the benefit of both the law and the ability to carry, this guy needs to face the consequences for his actions.

30 posted on 01/17/2014 7:28:19 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Uncle Chip
Former Tampa Bay police captain Reeves was in the Wesley Chapel theater with his wife Vivian watching ‘Lone Survivor’ when he asked Oulson to stop using his phone.

OK, now I get it. The officer got all worked up by the movie "Lone Survivor". Sick.

31 posted on 01/17/2014 7:29:29 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Uncle Chip
He retired in 1993 as captain. Tampa police told CNN that he was instrumental in establishing the department's first Tactical Response Team - also known as SWAT.

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There we have it, an X Police officer who wanted to play Rambo, watching "Lone Survivor". Yes, we have a detachment from reality. And a great argument for not militarizing the Police Departments.

32 posted on 01/17/2014 7:39:29 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

The movie hadn’t started yet

The only thing on the screen was Previews of Coming Attractions.


33 posted on 01/17/2014 7:41:09 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I missed that.

The part about the SWAT team still stands.


34 posted on 01/17/2014 7:43:15 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Uncle Chip

If you have to shoot the guy thru the hand of his wife who is restraining him, you can’t really claim you were in imminent danger. It just kinda shoots your whole argument, pun intended. And popcorn is not a lethal and dangerous weapon.


35 posted on 01/17/2014 7:43:17 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: LittleBillyInfidel
imagine how peeved he’ll be in his prison pod, eating spam with a plastic spoon and listening to 19 year old red haired pimple face Johnny Meth-Head ramble on endlessly about how bad ass he used to be. (tee hee!)

With any luck, some of his new "friends" will recognize him as the guy who helped put them there.

People think child molesters have it hard in prison? Nobody has it harder than ex-cops.

36 posted on 01/17/2014 7:46:28 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Ditter

You can bet the farm that they are not embarrasses.


37 posted on 01/17/2014 7:46:30 AM PST by sport
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To: Drew68

It could not happen to a nicer guy.


38 posted on 01/17/2014 7:48:43 AM PST by sport
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To: Uncle Chip

If this guy has half a brain, he’ll plead out.


39 posted on 01/17/2014 7:51:15 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: Ditter

I think they might be busy trying to figure out how to get the Kelly Thomas jury to Florida and Andy Lopez’s killer on the list of expert witnesses.


40 posted on 01/17/2014 7:59:03 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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