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The film that makes Private Ryan look like kids' stuff: The Russians are coming...
UK Daily Mail ^ | February 27, 2014 | Max Hastings

Posted on 02/27/2014 6:38:27 AM PST by C19fan

A handful of soldiers, beleaguered by a Nazi host in a wrecked city apartment building, prepare to sell their lives dearly on celluloid. Does the scenario sound familiar? It should. For 70 years, the British and Americans have been making heroic movies about World War II, some of which are etched in our culture. But now for something different: Russian film-makers have got in on the act. They have created a 3D epic set for the film Stalingrad, about the most famous battle in their history, and the movie has become one of the biggest domestic box office hits of all time. Now, British audiences can see for themselves this amazingly noisy, bloody, cliche-laden, rubble-making version of the war.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: stalingrad; war
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To: C19fan

What pisses me off are the infiltrator cold war relic type of trolls who have hit forums making Russians look bad.

Its a different Russia now a days.

Russia has....been there..done that. They dumped socialism

Americans are not acting hard enough to refuse socialism AND Islamic invasion.

Russians are earning respect, America has lost it.
I loved the Sochii games, all I saw for two weeks was complaints and whiners on many forums. Russians did dam good, all around, period. They did not cheat, nor did they whine.


21 posted on 02/27/2014 8:12:21 AM PST by Spartan302
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To: BenLurkin

“Who is going to see a movie about Nazis versus Communists?”

Teachable moment.

The takeaway from Stalingrad and every great battle is one of humanity rather than politics. The only thing those two ideologies were good for at Stalingrad was heightening the intensity of battle, its duration and its cost while assuring their soldiers they’d be shot if they retreated. Somewhere in there is a strong lesson about the treatment of humanity in the hands of socialist ideologies.


22 posted on 02/27/2014 8:22:57 AM PST by Justa
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To: C19fan

‘7 hours masterpiece “War and Peace”.’

Yeah, I didn’t see the movie, but I did go and see the off-Broadway production of, ‘War, What Is It Good For?’.


23 posted on 02/27/2014 8:27:05 AM PST by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: wbill
Now, I judge war movies by how cold (or hot), wet, hungry, dirty, and in overall general misery the actors look. "Band of Brothers" did the best that I've seen. "Ryan" was close, but it also was done by a lot of the same people.

I agree, Band of Brothers did a fine job of showing realistic conditions. There's a German-made file about Stalingrad (early 1990s, IIRC) that is also exceptional in terms of gritty realism. Talvisota, the 1989 foreign film about the Winter War in Finland does well in that regard, too.

24 posted on 02/27/2014 9:07:18 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: wbill

***I watched “Battle of the Bulge” (that awful 60s movie with Henry Fonda)***

I saw that back in the 1960s. A good FICTIONAL film, with parts cut out, definitely not the real BATTLE OF THE BULGE. In the end titles they even say they “synthesized” events for that film.

The movie version I saw was chopped up with important parts missing. It took me 50 years to see the uncut version on TCM which was better and could have used a different title.

You would be surprised how many good films we saw were cut down before showing to the great “Unwashed”, only to be re released to DVD in their full versions.


25 posted on 02/27/2014 9:10:34 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I liked the movie but what drove me nuts was no German tanks. They could have thrown plywood or thick card stock over the sides and turret to kind of look like tigers or panthers. It bugged me as a kid and it still bugs me today.


26 posted on 02/27/2014 11:05:50 AM PST by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: Slump Tester

They ended up wasting that Nazi in the end when he was recaptured. He was executed by the kid that watched his friend lose a knife fight to him, was too scared to do anything about it. The Nazi left the coward behind and went back to the battle.

The coward recognized him at the end, went up to him, and shot him.

It took me a couple of times before I understood that the guy he shot was the same Nazi they captured and let go.

Not sure what Spielberg was advocating there, but . . .


27 posted on 02/27/2014 11:25:10 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: C19fan

Cornelius Ryan wrote 3 WW2 books. The one about Berlin describe some of the brutality.

The Longest Day: 6 June 1944 D-Day
The Last Battle <— Battle for Berlin
A Bridge Too Far


28 posted on 02/27/2014 11:54:08 AM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: minnesota_bound

Buy all 3 books.
http://www.amazon.com/Last-Battle-Classic-History-Berlin/dp/0684803291


29 posted on 02/27/2014 12:34:26 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: Charles Martel
There's a German-made file about Stalingrad (early 1990s, IIRC) that is also exceptional in terms of gritty realism. Talvisota, the 1989 foreign film about the Winter War in Finland does well in that regard, too.

I have both of those and the recent Japanese production, 'Yamato' and the Russian film 'Ninth Company'.

30 posted on 02/27/2014 4:52:39 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: prof.h.mandingo
I liked the movie but what drove me nuts was no German tanks. They could have thrown plywood or thick card stock over the sides and turret to kind of look like tigers or panthers. It bugged me as a kid and it still bugs me today.

You'll appreciate a movie coming out this year, then. 'Fury' with Brad Pitt. The villain is Bovington's Tiger 131, the only running Tiger I left, to my knowledge.

31 posted on 02/27/2014 4:57:28 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: skeeter

“It lost me when I saw Ted Danson the paratrooper.”

Whatever you think of him, and I don’t have much use for him, he played the part straight.


32 posted on 02/27/2014 5:17:28 PM PST by PLMerite
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To: Riley
I recently noticed some clips of Yamato on YouTube, but haven't yet given it a serious look. At first glance, it does appear to be well-crafted.
33 posted on 02/27/2014 6:06:03 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: PLMerite
Agreed he's a pretty good actor.

But he was a tad old for the part. I didn't much care for the scene he first appeared in either - more like a scene from Die Hard than anything else.

34 posted on 02/27/2014 6:36:11 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Charles Martel
Anotehr recent war movie Eternal Zero, seems to have impressed some of my Japanese friends. The trailers don't look too bad special effects-wise, either.
35 posted on 02/27/2014 6:38:38 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Charles Martel
I recently noticed some clips of Yamato on YouTube, but haven't yet given it a serious look. At first glance, it does appear to be well-crafted.

Watching it is a strange experience, both empathizing with the characters and rooting for the 'bad guys' at the same time.

36 posted on 02/28/2014 3:26:03 AM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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