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Why ‘Game Of Thrones’ Is The Most Frustrating Show On TV
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Posted on 04/15/2014 7:09:01 PM PDT by Perdogg

Don’t think this is a burial of Game of Thrones; it really is one of the best shows on TV right now. But “the best” and “frustrating” aren’t mutually exclusive, and there’s a lot Game of Thrones does that it could stand to stop doing. Like, for example…

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Horrible writers. I am an engineer and I could do a better job than the current writers.
1 posted on 04/15/2014 7:09:01 PM PDT by Perdogg
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2 posted on 04/15/2014 7:12:05 PM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: Perdogg

I’ve never seen it, but then I don’t have HBO.


3 posted on 04/15/2014 7:16:21 PM PDT by EveningStar
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“It Won’t Stop Killing The Most Interesting Characters”

That means plenty of surprises for the viewers. So?

“It Won’t Kill Boring Characters Off, Or At Least Push Them Off-Screen”

Because those “boring” characters end up playing key roles here and there.

“It Needs More Focus”

Is the author of this piece an idiot?

“And yes, eventually she does actually get involved in what amounts to the main plot, but really, just either give her her own show, or have her show up out of nowhere riding a dragon.”

Oh, he IS AN IDIOT.

“It’s A Little Too Faithful To The Books”

No such thing when the books are really good.

“There’s Always Room For Improvement”

Sure. We could see it in an IMAX and the episodes could be 2 hours long. I would like that. Also, the show could be on year round and new episodes could appear EVERY DAY. All of that is unrealistic, however.


4 posted on 04/15/2014 7:16:52 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Perdogg

Here’s the problem: the original novels are extremely complex with multiple plots going on at the same time. It’s even kind of a miracle the writers of the TV series has been able to write episodes without totally confusing viewers for each season.


5 posted on 04/15/2014 7:17:07 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Perdogg

Have you read the books?


6 posted on 04/15/2014 7:17:45 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: vladimir998; RayChuang88
Did you guys have to learn how to read the books?

I mounted a frontal assault on them at first, and failed. But then, I found a strategy...

7 posted on 04/15/2014 7:20:39 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: vladimir998

The books are a ghastly bizarro-world imitation of the books of Tolkien—the writer of the semi-porn crap is just a dirty-minded loser. Yuck. Hate to see it take up space as anything resembling art on FR.


8 posted on 04/15/2014 7:23:45 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Perdogg

Yeah man, did you read the books?


9 posted on 04/15/2014 7:24:30 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: RayChuang88

I’ve not been confused by the complex multiple plots. I just don’t understand why that Tyrion guy is so short.


10 posted on 04/15/2014 7:25:01 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: Perdogg

No, you couldn’t.


11 posted on 04/15/2014 7:26:45 PM PDT by needmorePaine
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To: Mamzelle
The books are a ghastly bizarro-world imitation of the books of Tolkien—the writer of the semi-porn crap is just a dirty-minded loser. Yuck. Hate to see it take up space as anything resembling art on FR.

I might take issue with you on that.

12 posted on 04/15/2014 7:26:49 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Mamzelle

I find very little that imitates Tolkien, other than the exercise in world building. The books are more a subversion of fantasy tropes, and I find that refreshing. The stories are more about power struggles and political maneuvering than the hero’s journey.


13 posted on 04/15/2014 7:29:52 PM PDT by needmorePaine
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To: Perdogg
The screen writers have an obligation to follow the direction of the books, especially when considering that the books are still being written. If they hope to maintain the cooperation of George Martin, they must give him some leeway in the direction of the plots. I can attest that screenwriter David Benioff is an excellent writer. I would recommend A City of Theives to anyone interested in a story about the siege of Leningrad.

Obviously, they are doing something right considering the high popularity of the show. I will continue to tune in to see my favorite characters Arry, Sandor, Tyrion, Bronn, and the new Kingslayer Olenna Tyrell even if I have to endure Stannis, Theon, or any of the Freys.

14 posted on 04/15/2014 7:32:07 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Perdogg

That and it always shows boobie play time


15 posted on 04/15/2014 7:34:56 PM PDT by al baby (Hi MomÂ… I was refereeing to Obama)
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To: Perdogg

The same writers that put GWB’s severed head on a pike, and saw all the Leftists have little puppy-orgasms?


16 posted on 04/15/2014 7:35:51 PM PDT by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: kiryandil

I am reading Book 3 right now. I really like Martin’s style of writing. As you already know, each chapter is written from the viewpoint of a particular character.


17 posted on 04/15/2014 7:36:15 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Hoodat

I actually like Stannis, and I like the actor. He did a very good job as Thomas Jefferson in “John Adams.” His story does tend to drag though between Blackwater and his next move.


18 posted on 04/15/2014 7:37:43 PM PDT by needmorePaine
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To: Perdogg

I just finished marathoning the first 3 seasons On Demand. I had watched them previously, but it was so long between season that I forgot who was who.

I am now ready to start Season 4. I let a few episode air, as I will probably marathon them On Demand, too.


19 posted on 04/15/2014 7:38:19 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: EveningStar

It is soft porn with a plot


20 posted on 04/15/2014 7:42:33 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Mamzelle
The books are a ghastly bizarro-world imitation of the books of Tolkien

Actually I think of Martin as the anti-Tolkien - everything that is good and noble in Tolkien (and other High Fantasy books) is deliberately left out. Every character is deeply flawed, there is no good vs evil because everyone is evil, there is no romance, only tawdry sex. He can feel free to kill off anyone because there are no heroes. It's likely because Martin is a flaming leftist and thus only has evil in his heart. And yet the books are very good, though the last was less good - Martin is falling into the "stretch out the story to make an extra buck" trap that Robert Jordan also fell in. Martin is getting on in years - hope he doesn't die before he finishes the series llke Jordan did (though in Jordan's case it was finished by a technically better writer so it worked out fine).

21 posted on 04/15/2014 7:46:31 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Mamzelle

The books have very little overt sex in them.
The discussion of sex in the books is not a bit out of line with what is normal in literary works, particularly of the realist sort. Sex is implied, or baldly discussed, but rarely if ever shown, and then without prurience. It is a very adult sort of treatment of life.
Consider Flaubert, Balzac, Zola or Hugo.

As for what HBO did, that is their doing and not essential to the work. The series would be substantially better with some editing of HBOs extra features.


22 posted on 04/15/2014 7:49:35 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: needmorePaine
At the end of Season 3, Stannis is talking about this vision of fighting great battles in the snow. You figure he is on his way north to fight the Others. Yet when Season 4 starts, he is at Dragonstone burning his allies alive.

btw, his wife is certifiably insane.

23 posted on 04/15/2014 7:50:52 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Perdogg

Author of this article should stick to watching ‘Keeping Up with the Kardashians’!


24 posted on 04/15/2014 7:51:04 PM PDT by coldphoenix
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To: Hoodat

welllll I dont wanna spoil it for you.. just wait for a cpl of episodes


25 posted on 04/15/2014 7:52:07 PM PDT by coldphoenix
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To: TomGuy

Ah, so you haven’t seen the episode yet where Loras gets his sex change operation and then marries Sandor Clegane.


26 posted on 04/15/2014 7:53:05 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Perdogg

Frustrating maybe but the ending of the latest episode was a most satisfying character resolution.


27 posted on 04/15/2014 7:53:20 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: coldphoenix

Shall we offer opinions on who killed you-know-who?


28 posted on 04/15/2014 7:54:50 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Hoodat
No kidding. She is a loon. That scene was a weak point in the episode. Davos mentioned something about one of the burned men--Stannis's brother-in-law--bringing ships and men. I assume that Stannis is gathering forces for the trip north.

The best part about that scene was Melisandre's talk with Stannis's daughter. She said something like "there is only one hell, and we are in it." It is hard to argue with her.
29 posted on 04/15/2014 7:59:11 PM PDT by needmorePaine
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

It is a realist approach to fantasy, to make a sort of oxymoron. Martins people are real people, imperfect. And he has killed off some of the most upright.

Consider the Iliad. For all the gods and goddesses, magic and myths, it reads very much like a modern novel.
The best of literature is full of compelling but imperfect characters. In the Iliad the best man is killed and the most annoying man manages to eventually get over himself, at least a little.


30 posted on 04/15/2014 7:59:29 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: RayChuang88

Couldn’t agree more. Mammothly complex books wonderfully brought to the small screen. I am amazed at what they have done. Just one of the great shows.


31 posted on 04/15/2014 8:02:48 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.
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32 posted on 04/15/2014 8:02:50 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: Rebelbase

Wasn’t it just! ; )


33 posted on 04/15/2014 8:04:29 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Perdogg

To the positive, it’s a gorgeous series, from the locations to the costuming to the sets. It’s as close to perfect in casting as I’ve ever seen. The writing is first-rate, otherwise the very elaborate plot lines would devolve into gibberish.

To the negative, there is too much gratuitous sex that does not add a thing to the story. The most memorable, engaging characters all get killed off. It can be quite violent. It almost made me sick when Eddard Stark was beheaded, and not just because his was such an engaging, real character. It was also because the show lingered a little too long and lovingly on an incredibly upsetting and gory scene, one of many.

All that said, it’s the most awesome thing to hit tv that I’ve ever seen, I thought that with the first season and I still think so with the fourth having just begun. It’s beautiful and very affecting. Human weakness, greed, arrogance, scheming and murderous anger are on full display.

I watch it via On Demand with friends who have cable, I cut the cord years ago. I love the show, warts and all.


34 posted on 04/15/2014 8:04:47 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Perdogg

My kids call it: “Lord of the Rings without a plot.”


35 posted on 04/15/2014 8:06:41 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: needmorePaine
The best part about that scene was Melisandre's talk with Stannis's daughter. She said something like "there is only one hell, and we are in it." It is hard to argue with her.

That is aline straight out of the Tragical History of the Life and Death of Dr. Faustus" as spoken by Mephistopheles to Faustus.

Interesting

Best TV in a generation.

36 posted on 04/15/2014 8:08:16 PM PDT by corkoman
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To: Mamzelle

Not really. The story is sort of “The War of the Roses” in a fantasy setting. It’s the seriousness that the author puts into his writing that invites the Tolkein comparison.


37 posted on 04/15/2014 8:12:48 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Perdogg
Don’t think this is a burial of Game of Thrones; it really is one of the best shows on TV right now.

No, it isn't. The source material, at least for the first three books, is far better. The TV show is bad, and the worst moments are invariably when the TV story decides to strike off in it's own direction.

George Martin's books since the 3rd one have declined seriously in quality, to the point where I believe he doesn't know how to finish his story. But the first three books were outstanding entertainment, and the TV show has done them a real dis-service - and no, the fact that Martin has written some of the TV scripts doesn't change that, the man has obviously lost his ability to write just as completely as Jaime Lannister has.
38 posted on 04/15/2014 8:13:22 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Perdogg

Well, I’m only on season 3, but I know by know that it’s just one long soap opera. With multiple non-intersecting storylines no episode will ever end on with a satisfying conclusion.


39 posted on 04/15/2014 8:19:15 PM PDT by eclecticEel ("The petty man forsakes what lies within his power and longs for what lies with Heaven." - Xunzi)
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To: eclecticEel

Arya Stark gets one early in season four.


40 posted on 04/15/2014 8:21:31 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
George Martin's books since the 3rd one have declined seriously in quality, to the point where I believe he doesn't know how to finish his story.

I tend to agree generally. I did think that aspects of book 5 were very good (Wyman Manderly, the storyline at The Wall). I think Martin became tangled in the Mereen plot line much as Daenyres was tangled in Mereen itself....

He obviously struggled with extracting Dani and the plot line from Mereen...

41 posted on 04/15/2014 8:21:32 PM PDT by wolf24
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To: eclecticEel
no episode will ever end on with a satisfying conclusion.

I'm currently struggling through a novel just like that ('Atlas Shrugged'). You come to the end of a chapter and then it's like, What? You mean there's more? Frustrating, to say the least!

42 posted on 04/15/2014 8:27:26 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: kiryandil

I read the books.


43 posted on 04/15/2014 9:04:08 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: wolf24
I did think that aspects of book 5 were very good (Wyman Manderly, the storyline at The Wall).

Agree about Manderly, and I also thought the chapters on Reek were quite good. The rest of it struck me as the output of a writer struggling to connect where his story is now to where he wants it to end up, and mostly failing to do so after over a thousand pages. The biggest failing in my eyes was the Tyrion storyline - great character, spectacular exit back in 2000 and after all that time his chapters turned out to be a bore. I wouldn't have thought it possible.
44 posted on 04/15/2014 9:08:56 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: buwaya

Watched the first season, and several minutes actually went by between copulations. Found a lot that was pretty, the stunningly beautiful dogs, the theme music. That reminds me…most of the sex was doggy style. Never watched the second season.


45 posted on 04/15/2014 9:13:17 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: vladimir998

I understood that you read the books.

I was asking if you had to do anything different to actually get through them.

I had to use a different reading strategy than I normally use.


46 posted on 04/15/2014 9:19:33 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

“I was asking if you had to do anything different to actually get through them.”

No.

“I had to use a different reading strategy than I normally use.”

What did you do? I know some people read them by character sections rather than by sequential chapters.


47 posted on 04/15/2014 9:22:18 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Perdogg

IMO, George R.R. Martin writes his GoT novels like he’s writing a script for TV. You get to the end of a chapter and BAM! cliffhanger! Then off to the next character’s chapter.


48 posted on 04/15/2014 9:53:21 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: vladimir998; Perdogg

Agree with you about the author.

I also read the comments after the end of the article, which showed me the real “problem” with GoT.

It is not the show, but the lazy, single-dimensional viewers, who have never read complex (normal for the times, but complex and “boring” by current popular standards) works like most of the classics of English and American literature.

“Detailed “world building” began with Tolkien?!? Bwaaahahahaha!


49 posted on 04/15/2014 9:58:17 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Perdogg

If you haven’t read the books then all is lost, the book had chapter titles so at least you knew where you were going next.


50 posted on 04/15/2014 10:17:10 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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