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How 'Star Wars' ruined sci-fi
CNN ^ | 5/2/2014 | CNN

Posted on 05/04/2014 2:13:54 PM PDT by Dallas59

Now that the cast of the seventh "Star Wars" movie has been announced, you can imagine the anticipation among the millions of fans of the film franchise. And why not? The six "Star Wars" films have been enormous successes: they have grossed over $2 billion domestically at the box office, spawned scores of books, comic books and merchandise (how many kids have their own light saber?) and made household names of characters like Darth Vader, Han Solo and Luke Skywalker.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Music/Entertainment; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: cinema; film; movies; sciencefiction; scifi; starwars
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1 posted on 05/04/2014 2:13:54 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59
“Moichandising . . . moichandising!”


2 posted on 05/04/2014 2:17:09 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Dallas59
thinking science fiction is some computer graphics-laden space opera/western filled with shootouts, territorial disputes, evil patriarchs and trusty mounts (like the Millennium Falcon).

Of course it is, among other timeless plots laced with sciency-things. "Star Wars" has a particularly aristocratic Space Western origin, since the writer of "The Empire Strikes Back," Leigh Brackett, also wrote a couple of classic John Wayne movies ("El Dorado," "Rio Bravo").

She was also a very successful science fiction author in the 1930s. The "science" is dated - nobody thinks humans could survive on Mercury anymore - but a good story is a good story, and a good story can be made into a successful movie.

3 posted on 05/04/2014 2:18:04 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Happy Star Wars Day! May the Fourth be with all y'all.)
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To: Aevery_Freeman; ShadowAce; Jack Hydrazine; Altariel; nuancey; Thorliveshere; skinkinthegrass; ...

ping


4 posted on 05/04/2014 2:20:57 PM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: Olog-hai

NEVER use this lever!

That’s my fav part - that and the movie where they fast-forward to where they were.


5 posted on 05/04/2014 2:21:47 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Dallas59

Star Wars is Science Fiction Fantasy. Star Trek is more Science Fiction as in “it could happen”.


6 posted on 05/04/2014 2:22:05 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be")
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To: Tax-chick
Gene Roddenberry pitched Star Trek to the networks as a "Wagon Train" in space.
7 posted on 05/04/2014 2:22:50 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Borges; DollyCali; Perdogg

ping


8 posted on 05/04/2014 2:25:04 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Dallas59
There are, for example, no light sabers, spaceships or Death Stars in the 1979 novel "Kindred," by Octavia Butler, who won the Hugo and Nebula, sci-fi's top awards, and was also awarded a MacArthur Foundation "Genius" Grant.

Just time travel, race and lots of kinky sex.

This somehow being more science-y then light sabers and space ships.

9 posted on 05/04/2014 2:27:40 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Dallas59

Time for something new! How about doing a movie of the great book “A Mote In God’s Eye?”


10 posted on 05/04/2014 2:27:45 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Bratch

All literature, and I consider movies as literature, is based in a handful of grand themes. “Wagon Train” is “Silk-Road Caravan,” if you want it to be, or “Star Trek.” Leadership vs. rebellion, order vs. chaos, how romantic relationships bollux everything up, etc.

Michael Hurst, “New Zealand’s most successful Shakespearean actor,” said of his co-star turn in “Hercules: The Legendary Journeys” that the themes were no different from the themes of Shakespeare, because people are always the same, only settings (and quality of writing ;-) change.


11 posted on 05/04/2014 2:28:05 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Happy Star Wars Day! May the Fourth be with all y'all.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

“Star Trek” did race, “Star Trek” did time travel, “Star Trek” implied kinky sex.


12 posted on 05/04/2014 2:28:56 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Happy Star Wars Day! May the Fourth be with all y'all.)
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To: Dallas59

Look at what we have today that was used in Star Trek, the original with James T. Kirk. The flip phone for one. Flat screen TV for another.


13 posted on 05/04/2014 2:29:08 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: Dallas59

Butler’s main themes are race and sex, and in “Kindred” she wrote about a modern black woman who travels back in time to the antebellum South, where she is enslaved. The novel is regularly taught in classrooms and has made at least one list of “Great Books By Women.”

But Hollywood has yet to adapt it for the screen.

“How many of those white people are evil movies are they going to make”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN9hy4YNIv0 [language]


14 posted on 05/04/2014 2:30:25 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Dallas59

Interesting article, though I disagree with the premise. As much as I loved the original Star Wars films, I never thought (even as a kid) they were the end all, be all for science fiction.

Consider some of the really great sci-fi made during or just after the original trilogy of Star Wars flicks: Alien, Blade Runner, John Carpenter’s version of The Thing, Starman, etc. Later on, we’d also have the likes of Dark City, Gattaca, and so on.

Now, I *do* think there is a trend towards on over-reliance on action in the sci-fi genre. But that’s what sells summer movie tickets these days, and I don’t think Star Wars is to blame or even that sci-fi is the only genre to have this trend.

As for the author’s assertion that The Matrix is the most original movie of the last 25 years, well, each to their own. The first film was visually impressive, but I’ve never found the films that deep or inspiring. Gattaca left a much bigger impression on me than Matrix. And in the vein of virtual/alternate reality, I like Dark City and the low-bugdet eXistenZ (a birthday IS a special occasion) just as much, if not more, than Matrix.


15 posted on 05/04/2014 2:31:05 PM PDT by DemforBush (A repo man is always intense.)
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To: Dallas59

Star Wars owes a lot to Jack Kirby, too. It’s not difficult to see the influence of The New Gods in the Star Wars mythology, and Dr Doom clearly influenced aspects of the Darth Vader character.

I don’t think Lucas ever owned up to that, but I confess I don’t know for sure


16 posted on 05/04/2014 2:31:15 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Tax-chick
Accurate.

But this article was a whine fest about Star Wars, which I submit, that the author has his panties in a wad over because there were "white" heroes in the story.

17 posted on 05/04/2014 2:32:10 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Dallas59
Butler's main themes are race and sex, and in "Kindred" she wrote about a modern black woman who travels back in time to the antebellum South, where she is enslaved. The novel is regularly taught in classrooms and has made at least one list of "Great Books By Women."

But Hollywood has yet to adapt it for the screen. Maybe if the lead character had a Wookie by her side...

Who knows, maybe Moochelle Obama is available?

Seriously though, that's his example of thought provoking science fiction? Sounds like Uncle Tom's Cabin with a time machine.

18 posted on 05/04/2014 2:36:17 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Tax-chick

Star Wars is a story about a farm boy, an old wizard and a pirate who rescue a princess from an evil sorcerer in an impregnable castle. The sci-fi part is just window dressing.


19 posted on 05/04/2014 2:41:46 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: SkyDancer

Flat screen for viewing monitors on decks but in the rooms they had bulky consoles.


20 posted on 05/04/2014 2:42:05 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conseravtives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
How about doing a movie of the great book “A Mote In God’s Eye?”

Or "Ringworld."

21 posted on 05/04/2014 2:42:07 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Dallas59
As much as I love the original Star Wars.... this is true. Merchandising is horrible. I mean.... photo Jar-Jar_zps246c838b.jpg

Really! Do we need this?
22 posted on 05/04/2014 2:42:33 PM PDT by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Ah, now I see! (John Wayne movies had white heroes, too ;-).

In addition to action, the science fiction genre in movies and television (and associated books) has produced a lot of thoughtful exploration of many themes. Even the current fad of comic-book based movies raises important questions that can generate interesting discussion.

Perhaps this article was generated because today is Star Wars Day. One has to agree that Star Wars is not the most sophisticated exemplar of the genre; aside from the visuals, the various movies stand or fall as “Westerns,” without much more to be said.


23 posted on 05/04/2014 2:42:53 PM PDT by Tax-chick (There is no Star Wars, there is only Zuul.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Lando was black. Chewbacca a thing. Droids don’t have a race. Lots of weird aliens in the alliance.

Don’t know what this guy was watching.


24 posted on 05/04/2014 2:43:58 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conseravtives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: Thorliveshere

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/algoof.wav


25 posted on 05/04/2014 2:43:59 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: ReignOfError

You almost exactly described “The Princess Bride”! (The “old wizard” part in that movie is distributed among several characters.)


26 posted on 05/04/2014 2:44:34 PM PDT by Tax-chick (There is no Star Wars, there is only Zuul.)
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To: Dallas59

‘How ‘Star Wars’ ruined sci-fi”

It certainly increased the % of people who first think of movies or TV shows when they hear the term ‘sci-fi.’ I think of books first for sci-fi, but I think of movies and TV shows when I hear the term ‘western,’ as opposed to Zane Grey or Louis L’amour. I still think of books for the term ‘mystery.’

Freegards


27 posted on 05/04/2014 2:46:08 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Tax-chick

Never cared for sci fi but I’m starting to feel a little embarrassed that I’ve never seen ‘Star Wars’ or any of it’s progeny.


28 posted on 05/04/2014 2:46:23 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

What color was Chewbacca?


29 posted on 05/04/2014 2:46:48 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Dallas59

30 posted on 05/04/2014 2:48:31 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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This is silly. Star Wars is classic pulp magazine SF,aka Space Opera, in concept, if lately clumsy in execution. Space Opera WAS SF, or most of it, in the 1930s-50s.
This stuff was aimed directly at geeky boys and still is.
Some of the boys never grow up of course.
And some of the Space Opera did approach actual literature, as with Dune. But SF never needed to be great literature to be authentic or appealing to its target audience.

Octavia Butlers stuff is come-lately chick-lit junk.


31 posted on 05/04/2014 2:48:47 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Footfall would make a great movie.

Also Oath of Fealty, but it's pro-corporate message would detonate minds throughout Hollywood.

32 posted on 05/04/2014 2:49:00 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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No prob but you need to see Lord of the Rings to be cool

/ sarc


33 posted on 05/04/2014 2:49:11 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Never got why no story by Niven ever got

made into a movie.

Ringworld would be a hoot to see on the

big screen.Always been fascinated by the protectors

Guess I`d rather see the Motie movie tho


34 posted on 05/04/2014 2:50:40 PM PDT by Harold Shea
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To: GeronL

Kind of a golden-retriever shade.


35 posted on 05/04/2014 2:51:09 PM PDT by Tax-chick (There is no Star Wars, there is only Zuul.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Now there’s a space western.


36 posted on 05/04/2014 2:51:11 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Tax-chick

Chewbacca is a ginger. :)


37 posted on 05/04/2014 2:52:26 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Modern "Peace Officer" motto-"We have to go home at night, we don't care if you do.")
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To: Sherman Logan; ClearCase_guy
Now there’s a space western.

Yes, it is.

38 posted on 05/04/2014 2:52:45 PM PDT by Tax-chick (There is no Star Wars, there is only Zuul.)
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To: Politicalmom

LOL!


39 posted on 05/04/2014 2:53:02 PM PDT by Tax-chick (There is no Star Wars, there is only Zuul.)
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To: ReignOfError

That WAS SF in the old days.
Burroughs Mars books for instance are just that, wild adventures in a more exotic setting. He could have set them as Caribbean pirate tales just as easily, or as Louis L’Amour westerns, or redone medieval fantasy in the setting of Orlando Furioso. Its just that in his time Mars, Aliens and super-science were cooler.


40 posted on 05/04/2014 2:54:48 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: TalBlack

I don’t know how old you are, but if you didn’t see the original, “Episode IV,” as a child, you might never get into the whole setup. If you like old John Wayne movies, you’d probably like the first couple of Star Wars movies.


41 posted on 05/04/2014 2:55:34 PM PDT by Tax-chick (There is no Star Wars, there is only Zuul.)
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To: GeronL
Nahh, you need to read LOTR.
42 posted on 05/04/2014 2:55:36 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Dallas59

The first Star Wars was epic, the sequel....trash.


43 posted on 05/04/2014 2:56:19 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Tax-chick

Green alien chicks....hmmmmmm.


44 posted on 05/04/2014 2:58:54 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Dallas59

what? no reference to babylon 5?


45 posted on 05/04/2014 3:00:55 PM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Regarding the “white heroes”, at the time I don’t think the audiences would be drawn in by non white heroes.

Today? No problem with men and women of color. The number of headlining African American actors and actresses would be widely accepted: Jamie Foxx, Denzel, and Samuel l Jackson come to mind.

We HAVE grown in our acceptance of a good story and good filmmaking. Think of the biggest summer hits in the past ten or twenty years. Lots of actors of color carrying movies.


46 posted on 05/04/2014 3:03:27 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Dallas59

Don’t agree that Star Wars ruined anything, but I ‘d get a lot of agreement that CNN ruined news reporting.


47 posted on 05/04/2014 3:03:32 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SkyDancer

The name of the space shuttle prototype too.


48 posted on 05/04/2014 3:04:06 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Dallas59

what? no reference to babylon 5?


49 posted on 05/04/2014 3:05:56 PM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Dallas59

50 posted on 05/04/2014 3:05:57 PM PDT by jimbo123
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