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Heinlein, Hugos, and Hogwash
Intercollgiate Review ^

Posted on 05/08/2014 7:29:55 PM PDT by Perdogg

Robert Heinlein could not win a Hugo Award today.

If you are a fan of science fiction, you know how shocking that statement is. If you are not a science fiction fan, I salute you for having better things to do with your time than read stories about space princesses being rescued from bug-eyed monsters by stalwart and clean-limbed fighting men of Virginia; but please let me explain why this is shocking.

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: hugoaward; robertheinlein
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To: Cicero

John C. Wright is really, really good. It should say who wrote the article because conservative people who dig sci-fi should know his name if they don’t.

Once a classically educated libertarian, now a conservative Catholic whose ‘golden age’ series is the best thing to come out since Dan Simmon’s Hyperion, at least that I have read. If there’s any justice he will be looked back at as being up there with Gene Wolfe, another conservative Catholic sci-fi writer, one who is actually pretty well regarded even among the lib elite, as he should be.

I haven’t read the Chaos series, but have read ‘count to a trillion’ and the golden age series. I thought it was tremendous, really a love letter to classic sci-fi series of the 60s using an argument about the dangers and benefits of where technology might be taking us, from a pretty conservative and Christian point of view. Anyone who digs really good sci-fi from say the late 50s-60s would dig it, but many let his politics turn them off, which doesn’t say too much for them as sci-fi fans, in my opinion.

The libs can’t stand this guy, his blog is full of everything between dissertations on natural law to classic sci-fi to modern politics. Usually with a heavy Catholic view, at least since his conversion, which he claims is miraculous and happened when he had a heart attack.

http://www.scifiwright.com/

Freegards


21 posted on 05/08/2014 8:19:55 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: GeronL

I was thinking more along the lines of anybody who has the stomach for hard work, service, and willingness to defend the country, as having a higher liklyhood of not abusing their vote. But, this is all dreaming, not even conservative utopias should be trusted, so you’re probably right in your objection. Vanity of vanities, all is vanity!


22 posted on 05/08/2014 8:21:58 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Say something negative about a liberal woman (esp. if it is true), and you are labelled a mysognist or whatever despite the fact that you are married to a woman.

I had the rather odd thought that American Men should marry Russian women, and American women should marry Russian men...

23 posted on 05/08/2014 8:22:18 PM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: tbw2

Should apply to state workers too.


24 posted on 05/08/2014 8:23:17 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
I'm half right. The book requires federal service, the movies *spit* require military service.
25 posted on 05/08/2014 8:26:15 PM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: tbw2; GeronL

To be honest, I think we need compulsory military service the way South Korea does. I believe that when they reach a certain age, they have to put in 2 years. I would like to make it “compulsory” if you want the right to vote. I also think we need better war preparations in this country, particularly by building the same type of shelters and giving the same kind of basic training and drills that the Russians put their people through. They’re preparing for a world war and a nuclear exchange. We’re likely to go down with a single EMP strike. But I also want a million dollars, and maybe a supermodel for a wife! So, I’m not too hopeful on the average American giving up their comfort and making sacrifices like that, willing to go out and make the constitutional changes this would require.


26 posted on 05/08/2014 8:26:35 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: cripplecreek

I just re-read the Pellucidar series, found ‘em in a used bookstore, all with the Frazetta covers.

I thought there was a lot of pretty conservative ideas I missed the first time around. Definitely would have got ERB vilified if he put it out today.

Freegards


27 posted on 05/08/2014 8:26:39 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Heinlein had other forms of qualifying volunteer national service for those who could not qualify for military service in “Starship Troopers.” His point was that full citizenship was a privilege to be earned in that society, not a birthright.
28 posted on 05/08/2014 8:29:00 PM PDT by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: GeronL

A perfect rebuttal to a longstanding proposal.


29 posted on 05/08/2014 8:29:30 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: SatinDoll

Heinlein definitely had a deviant side. Want proof? In “Time Enough for Love”, Lazarus Long has a romantic relationship with his mother. ‘Nuff said.


30 posted on 05/08/2014 8:31:21 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: VietVet

I need to reread his book, as it has been quite awhile. I do recall that there were indeed other ways to qualify. But, the premise, I most certainly embrace, that citizenship is not a birthright.


31 posted on 05/08/2014 8:31:46 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: USNBandit

critical component to voting should be paying taxes

I agree, this is why I favor a consumption tax, with no exemptions. When everyone has a stake in the game the game will change.


32 posted on 05/08/2014 8:31:55 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: null and void

At least Russian women can drive a tractor and harvest potatoes. Most American women can’t do that.

However, my wife can really cook potatoes and I taught my daughter to drive at tractor at age 12. We were never on a kibbutz, but we like farming so but I guess I’ll have to create a new saying:

You can take a Jew out of the kibbutz or shtetl, but you can’t take the kibbutz/shtetl out of the Jew.

Interestingly, none of my Russian or Austrian grandparents lived in them either. They were city folk. Some left because of the pogroms that were just starting in Russia. A few left Austria for a new life in America (still under the Hapsburgs). The rest stayed and were killed in the Holocaust.

I’m so regular American that I bleed Red, White and Blue. And proud of it. I really hate those PC fools. They make life bland, fearful and rigid, just the opposite of what freedom should be.

Just rambling. It is late and I’m going home to get some dinner.


33 posted on 05/08/2014 8:33:53 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Perdogg

Thanks Perdogg.


34 posted on 05/08/2014 8:37:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
To become a citizen you had to have served in the armed forces. Only citizens could vote - the thinking being that only someone who had fought could even contemplate the cost of freedom and the high price put on having a vote! “Under our system every voter and officeholder is a man who has demonstrated through voluntary and difficult service that he places the welfare of the group ahead of personal advantage.” ― Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers
35 posted on 05/08/2014 8:43:09 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
At least Russian women can drive a tractor and harvest potatoes. Most American women can’t do that.

Russian farm women can do that. And there probably isn't a single American farm woman who can't do it, too.

36 posted on 05/08/2014 8:47:32 PM PDT by okie01
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To: USNBandit

In the book everybody could serve in some form or another. They would find a job you were capable of doing. For example, even a paraplegic could be used to test new medicine.


37 posted on 05/08/2014 8:55:06 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: NYFriend
If only someone besides humans would take charge...

Ah, yes; great idea. Keith Laumer explored it...

The Monitors

38 posted on 05/08/2014 8:57:17 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: NYFriend
But, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Starship Troopers, Stranger in a Strange Land, etc, are awesome. Written by a man who loved humanity and loved in country. By the way, same can be said for Slaughterhouse Five, Breakfast of Champions, and Cat Cradle, different people, different perspectives, but the same love of mankind in general and the American way in particular, but very different.

You might want to try out some of John Ringo's books.  The first book in his Aldenata series is A Hymn Before Battle, and is available for free at Baen Publishing's website at the aforementioned link. The Last Centurian is not free, but you won't find a more conservative freeper-style book short of Matt Bracken.

39 posted on 05/08/2014 9:04:35 PM PDT by zeugma (Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss (I'll see you again someday Hope))
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To: Perdogg
Neither William F. Buckley nor even Winston Churchill could win a college debate by the rules used today.

College Wins US Debate Championship By Repeating the N-Word Over and Over, Speaking Incomprehensibly

40 posted on 05/08/2014 9:21:06 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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