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John Deere Tractor vs. 1800s Steam Tractor
WIMP ^ | 5/17/14 | WIMP

Posted on 05/17/2014 11:31:00 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER

A modern John Deere tractor with 850 horsepower plays tug of war with an 1800s era steam tractor that has about 18 horsepower. While both are capable of getting an honest day's work done, there is only one that proves its dominance through sheer power.

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TOPICS: Agriculture; Chit/Chat; History
KEYWORDS: power; steam; tractor
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1 posted on 05/17/2014 11:31:00 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Weight advantage trumps horsepower.


2 posted on 05/17/2014 11:35:04 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort (If you have a Boehner lasting more than 23 years, seek immediate medical attention)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The upward angle of the pulling line puts the newer tractor at a bit of a disadvantage, but it would have probably lost even with a horizontal line.


3 posted on 05/17/2014 11:36:07 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

18 horsepower and about 1500 ft/lbs of torque. Also, the steam tractor was taller than the John Deere.


4 posted on 05/17/2014 11:40:07 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; All

So which is greener, the John Deere tractor or the steam tractor? At only 18 hp, I suspect the more powerful steam tractor is greener.


5 posted on 05/17/2014 11:42:16 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Wow — they just don’t make horses like they used to.


6 posted on 05/17/2014 11:42:46 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Together the team makes a great trencher.


7 posted on 05/17/2014 11:43:05 AM PDT by Average Al
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Torque may be at play here, too. Amazing drawbar power on that steam tractor.

Those farming innovations made industrial-scale farming possible and led to the 95% reduction of labor needed to feed the world. Of course, that led to obesity, heart disease and death, but it's much better to die well-nourished at 75 than under-nourished at 45.


8 posted on 05/17/2014 11:43:26 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: freeandfreezing

I also wondered if the huge wheels on the drive shaft of the steam engine contributed to its advantage. I am not an engineer but maybe one could comment on that?


9 posted on 05/17/2014 11:49:14 AM PDT by JLS
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To: Amendment10

Unfiltered coal smoke is nasty stuff.


10 posted on 05/17/2014 11:52:42 AM PDT by DManA
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Progress?

The steam engine may have put out a rather unimpressive 18 horse power but the torque from that steam engine is impressive


11 posted on 05/17/2014 11:53:43 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

That isn’t a JD engine, by color maybe a CAT.

Hitch is angled enough to lift the back wheels up reducing traction significantly for the JD.

The JDs 4 wheel drive wasn’t engaged.

Still entertaining.


12 posted on 05/17/2014 12:05:53 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Where was that picture taken?


13 posted on 05/17/2014 12:07:46 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

A stock John Deere 8130 is only 240 HP and weighs 25,000 pounds

This one has been modified for tractor pulling


14 posted on 05/17/2014 12:11:02 PM PDT by digger48
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To: JLS

Lots of things to consider that contributed. Speed times Force over 5252-if I remember right.

Weight is the advantage. The steam tractor has traction. The farm tractor does not in this case.


15 posted on 05/17/2014 12:16:05 PM PDT by crz
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To: digger48

Looks like he needed 850 actual horses.


16 posted on 05/17/2014 12:17:36 PM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: Sawdring

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Palouse_hills_northeast_of_Walla_Walla.jpg/800px-Palouse_hills_northeast_of_Walla_Walla.jpg


17 posted on 05/17/2014 12:20:30 PM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhgHrDbN4EU

Challenger pulling full stack train up Archer Hill.


18 posted on 05/17/2014 12:21:06 PM PDT by crz
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To: JLS
I also wondered if the huge wheels on the drive shaft of the steam engine contributed to its advantage. I am not an engineer but maybe one could comment on that?

Don't know the true dynamics, but the steam engine has 100% torque while sitting still - would have to break something to get it to back up. As long as it had traction, the newer tractor would have to drag it and probably had trouble with spinning tires.

19 posted on 05/17/2014 12:27:58 PM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Sawdring
That's The Palouse in eastern Washington and western Idaho...it is an incredibly beautiful land. It was hard to mechanize farming there because of the hilly terrain...early harvesters only worked on flat lands. Smaller combines were invented specifically to harvest wheat in The Palouse. Major crops today are wheat, lentils, peas and rapeseed (canola oil).



20 posted on 05/17/2014 12:34:34 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

A Chessie working HARD!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2BoMFZcnDI


21 posted on 05/17/2014 12:36:13 PM PDT by crz
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To: Balding_Eagle
Hitch is angled enough to lift the back wheels up reducing traction significantly for the JD.

At the end of the video the JD tires had dug in sufficiently enough to give it plenty of traction but the old tractor continued to pull it thru the deepening trench.......

22 posted on 05/17/2014 12:36:42 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Under Reagan spring always arrived on time.....)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

That looks like the Palouse.


23 posted on 05/17/2014 12:41:32 PM PDT by Disambiguator (#hashtagline)
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To: Disambiguator

Right you are! See #13.


24 posted on 05/17/2014 12:43:55 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: JLS
JLS said: "I also wondered ..."

Probably. As you watch the steam tractor pull the JD, you notice that the JD is digging into the soil much more than the steam tractor.

Since the combination of the two tractors isn't accelerating very much, one would conclude that the forces generated by each tractor are roughly equal.

In the case of the JD, the force is being generated over what looks like a smaller area and is sufficient to make the soil fail, which reduces the pulling force. If the JD was equipped with wheels identical to the steam tractor, one might expect that the greater horsepower would prevail, if the gear ratios were identical and the weight of the tractors was the same; which they probably aren't.

My smaller JD tractor has many plastic parts, to reduce manufacturing expense, and gets its weight from the frame of the tractor, the water-filled larger wheels, and some weights added to each wheel. It may be that the steam tractor is just inherently heavy because it's virtually all metal.

25 posted on 05/17/2014 12:53:45 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: rdcbn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWv5_QjLqcs


26 posted on 05/17/2014 12:55:02 PM PDT by crz
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Those farming innovations made industrial-scale farming possible and led to the 95% reduction of labor needed to feed the world.

Yet farmers still lead the way when it comes to whining and crying for illegal alien slave labor.

27 posted on 05/17/2014 12:58:17 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

hehe

Farmers who use that kind of tractor got no use for serfs. Californians, Floridians and Texans, by contrast...


28 posted on 05/17/2014 1:00:47 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: freeandfreezing

The steamer weighs probably double, if not triple what the hJohn Deere weighs, Then, with the steamer pulling UP on the drawbar at a 10-15 degree angle (depending on how deep the JD had gotten in), the Deere’s back wheels simply had NO weight on them. (As the JD was pulled up and out of the ditch, the JD back wheels were not even touching the ground!)

So, to run the JD. Get on. Turn key. Start work.
To run the steamer. Go to barn, begin warming the burner and set all boiler valves and feedwater. (Melt feedwater and boiler and feed pump and all valves and sightglasses if in winter.)
Start fire.
Grease and lubricate EVERYTHING!
Regulate fire, monitor steam pressure, temperature, boiler level, and boiler heat up rate.
Blow down all steam pipes as boiler and pipes keep heating up.
Maintain fire and temperature.
2 hours later.....
When at proper steam temperature, pressure, and feedrate, begin moving steamer tractor out of barn.
At each 1 hour of work, return to barn to load up and water and fuel.
Return to field to use more water and fuel.
Regrease and lubricate everything each hour stop period.


29 posted on 05/17/2014 1:02:32 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Everyone knows the first part f the saying, “Nothing runs like a Deere”. Few know the second part, Nothing smells like a John.” Thanks to the late Ed Johnson at the Ohio State Fair many years ago.


30 posted on 05/17/2014 1:03:45 PM PDT by Rannug ("all enemies, foreign and domestic")
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I am a just few miles south but use the handle ‘Palousex86’ on other forums. Interesting what you say about the terrain challenges...very hilly and irregular contours. I like Dayton area and just to the east and south in Blue Mountains.


31 posted on 05/17/2014 1:05:39 PM PDT by steve86
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
You forgot a few critical steps. So, to run the JD. Get on. Set Air Conditioner cab temperature. Select playlist on your iPhone for today's work. Lock on GPS for precise nag. Turn key. Start work.
32 posted on 05/17/2014 1:07:00 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Amendment10
So which is greener, the John Deere tractor or the steam tractor?

Well, duh. The John Deere. They all come painted that way.

33 posted on 05/17/2014 1:07:24 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: ProtectOurFreedom; Robert A. Cook, PE

“nav,” not “nag.”

Farmer’s wife is NOT in the cab.


34 posted on 05/17/2014 1:07:35 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Low end torque is worth something, especially for stump pulling.


35 posted on 05/17/2014 1:09:07 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: steve86

When I was a kid, we used to drive between Hayden, Moscow, and Ketchum all the time visiting relatives. Always enjoyed the all-day drive up and down Idaho and going through The Palouse. The highway departments have taken a lot of the fun out of the drives by building superhighways. We drove the old Lewiston Grade last summer for fun. It isn’t called the “Spiral Highway” for nothing!


36 posted on 05/17/2014 1:11:32 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"old Lewiston Grade"

Scared my wife.

37 posted on 05/17/2014 1:14:56 PM PDT by steve86
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"Well, duh. The John Deere. They all come painted that way."

LOL :^)

38 posted on 05/17/2014 1:29:14 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

It isn’t power that did it, it was weight. Note also that the John Deere was a four wheel drive equipped vehicle, but it was only running in two wheel drive (the front wheels weren’t spinning. The drivers intended the steam tractor to win.


39 posted on 05/17/2014 1:41:28 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age didn’t end because we ran out of stones)
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To: shove_it

Wow, what a picture!


40 posted on 05/17/2014 1:50:22 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: steve86

Mine, too. Didn’t like it at all. It was a huge thrill when I was 6.


41 posted on 05/17/2014 1:58:35 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: JLS

It isn’t a matter of horsepower or torque both of which are in favor of the newer tractor. It is simply a mater of traction. That is why the newer starts winning in most cases and then it reaches a point where it just starts digging itself into the ground like a power tiller. The steam tractor most likely outweighs the Deere by 2 or 3 times.


42 posted on 05/17/2014 2:01:53 PM PDT by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Weight advantage trumps horsepower...

Not as much as one might think. Power is the product of torque and speed. Note that the diesel gets smoked every time he tries to move from a standing start (Speed = Zero!) Ie no power. A steam engine develops maximum torque at zero RPM and thus has the advantage over the combustion engine from the get-go every time.

The "engineer" driving the steamer knew his equipment and how to maximize its strengths. The diesel jockey didn't stand a chance.

Regards,
GtG

43 posted on 05/17/2014 2:06:38 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: rdcbn

If those old engines could turn up RPM like the modern engines,I imagine the horsepower ratings would be phenomenal.


44 posted on 05/17/2014 3:11:05 PM PDT by oldtech
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Compression!

There is a weight advantage but it is compression that won the day. The huge piston in the steam tractor immediately gives almost full torque to the flywheel because of the larger compression force pushing on it, with no exhaust values. The JD horsepower was mostly lost in spinning wheels and exhaust. It was out torqued by the larger compression advantage of the steam tractor. A level draw bar hookup would not have changed the outcome nor would have weight added to the JD to match the syeam tractors weight.


45 posted on 05/17/2014 3:21:18 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The steam tractor’s hitch gives it a tremendous mechanical advantage because it is lifting the JD’s rear end upward. Therefore, the JD’s has very little ground pressure on it’s rear wheels.


46 posted on 05/17/2014 3:31:35 PM PDT by fso301 (uires that you believe)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Lewiston Grade”

Drove this from the west about 20 years ago, looked over the edge & way down there was an old truck “parked”. Apparently hadn’t made the turn. Probably still there.


47 posted on 05/17/2014 3:31:41 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: Moonman62

Only 3% of illegal aliens work in the ag industry.


48 posted on 05/17/2014 3:58:49 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Western Phil

10 HP would be enough with the style of wheel and weight of the tractor. the rope being on such an angle is enough to negate ANY differential in HP over the Green Machine!


49 posted on 05/17/2014 4:03:28 PM PDT by Michigan Bowhunter (Patriots needed!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ..

Nothin’ doesn’t run like having mass on your side. :’)


50 posted on 05/17/2014 4:09:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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