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Pedophiles: born that way?
Discover Magazine ^ | Razib Khan

Posted on 05/31/2014 5:36:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Gawker published a piece on the neurological problems which might result in pedophilia, and naturally a lot of shock and disgust was triggered. The piece is titled Born This Way: Sympathy and Science for Those Who Want to Have Sex with Children. This isn’t something you want to click through to lightly. So fair warning. The neurobiological material did pique my interest:

“There was nothing significant in the frontal lobes or temporal lobes,” says Cantor. “It turned out the differences weren’t in the grey matter. The differences were in the white matter.”

“The white matter” is the shorthand term for groupings of myelinated axons and glial cells that transmit signals throughout the gray matter that composes the cerebrum. Think of the gray matter like the houses on a specific electricity grid and the white matter like the cabling connecting those houses to the grid.

“There doesn’t seem to be a pedophilia center in the brain,” says Cantor. “Instead, there’s either not enough of this cabling, not the correct kind of cabling, or it’s wiring the wrong areas together, so instead of the brain evoking protective or parental instincts when these people see children, it’s instead evoking sexual instincts. There’s almost literally a crossed wiring.”

The good news, according to Cantor, is that it if they can figure out how the wiring gets crossed, they might be able to suggest ways pregnant mothers can help ensure their baby is unlikely to be born a pedophile. “It is quite possible that one or more components of the process are related to prenatal stresses like poor maternal nutrition, toxin exposure, ill health, or poor health care,” he says. “If so, then improving health and health care in general may reduce the numbers of people vulnerable to developing pedophilia, as well as other problems.”


Fair enough as far as that goes. I think it is important to look at controversial and explosive topics objectively. You don’t always need to be objective about the issue at hand, or lack opinions, but you need to step back and analyze in a value-free manner on occasion. For me the confusing thing is that to my knowledge Gawker today takes conventionally Leftish stances on “nature vs. nurture” type issues. Would they post something by Steven Pinker defending the concept of robust behavioral differences between the sexes? So why are they sticking their necks out here?

In any case, I think the problem with the Gawker piece is that it doesn’t really come off as a cold and rational assessment. Rather, there is genuine sympathy for people who are afflicted with the mental disease of pedophilia. The author finishes:

The old adage is that the true mark of a society is how it treats the weakest in its ranks. Blacks, women, Latinos, gays and lesbians, and others are still in no way on wholly equal footing in America. But they’re also not nearly as lowly and cursed as men attracted to children. One imagines that if Jesus ever came to Earth, he’d embrace the poor, the blind, the lepers, and, yes, the pedophiles. As a self-professed “progressive,” when I think of the world I’d like to live in, I like to imagine that one day I’d be OK with a man like Terry moving next door to me and my children. I like to think that I could welcome him in for dinner, break bread with him, and offer him the same blessings he’s offered me time and again. And what hurts to admit, even knowing all I know now, is that I’m not positive I could do that.

I’m not a professed “progressive.” I can see where the author is coming from probably (and so can Jonathan Haidt)…but can my progressive readers get into his mind here? Does being progressive mean you can not take into account probability to any extent? That you need to treat people as singular individuals in even the most extreme cases? For example, in the case of a pedophile who has never acted upon their instincts one presumes that they could find social acquaintances who were childless. Many biological dispositions aren’t deterministic, they’re probabilistic. That means controlling or channeling them in non-destructive ways entails changing the situations and contexts one is placed it. That’s not unjust, that’s just common sense. You aren’t a bad person to think it is prudent that someone with pedophile urges should avoid developing close friendships with people with young children.

Many of my liberal readers and friends have expressed the position that if a hereditarian position was true for a range of issue that that would result in a lot of unpleasant normative and political downstream consequences. I’m generally skeptical of this position. I have plenty of hereditarian ideas, and believe it or not I’m not a hateful Nazi. But the response above to the possibility that pedophilia has a biological basis does make me reconsider. I’m not a neo-Freudian, so I had always assumed that this behavior and tendency had neurobiological roots. That didn’t make me any more sympathetic to individuals who committed unmentionable acts. The world isn’t fair, unfortunately.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: culturewar; genetics; homosexualagenda; pedophileagenda; pedophilia; science; sexpositiveagenda; waronchildren
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1 posted on 05/31/2014 5:36:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Female pedophiles exist but there’s no scientific consensus...or is there?


2 posted on 05/31/2014 5:39:20 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

To this day, no scientific proof has emerged that all/some homosexuals were that way at birth.


3 posted on 05/31/2014 5:39:28 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: SeekAndFind

Mass murderers may be born that way too. No excuse. Hang ‘em high.


4 posted on 05/31/2014 5:42:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s obvious mass murders have less white matter in their head. So let’s excuse all of their actions etc. as well!


5 posted on 05/31/2014 5:42:46 PM PDT by struggle
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To: SeekAndFind
Its next up folks.

Almost all of the arguments against pedophilia went out the window with the conclusion of the gay marriage debate.

In less than five years the very same people with = stickers on their cars will be extolling the correctness of intimate adult/child relationships.

6 posted on 05/31/2014 5:43:46 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

>>”One imagines that if Jesus ever came to Earth, he’d embrace the poor, the blind, the lepers, and, yes, the pedophiles.”

Luke 17:1,2 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

That’s what Jesus said, bro.


7 posted on 05/31/2014 5:45:02 PM PDT by struggle
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To: nickcarraway

Not all homosexuals were born that way. Some got sucked into it...


8 posted on 05/31/2014 5:45:40 PM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: skeeter

Sad but true. The groundwork for the pedophiliazing of our culture has been laid.


9 posted on 05/31/2014 5:46:53 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: SeekAndFind

So to a liberal, it’s probable that a white person is racist, but not probable that a pedophile will target their kid.

And threatening the safety of white people and children is an acceptable risk to protect their beliefs.

And between pedophiles and children, it’s the pedophiles who are the victims.

I think I’ve had just about all I can take today.


10 posted on 05/31/2014 5:50:08 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: null and void

I hold that sexuality is very fluid in most people. Why do you think so many prisoners engage in homosexual relationships?


11 posted on 05/31/2014 5:56:59 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: LukeL

RE: Why do you think so many prisoners engage in homosexual relationships?

So, what happens after they leave prison?


12 posted on 05/31/2014 6:02:33 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: nickcarraway

“To this day, no scientific proof has emerged that all/some homosexuals were that way at birth.”

But it’s “accepted science.”

There’s also tons of evidence that blacks average 20 IQ points lower than whites, but it’s racist to consider genetics.


13 posted on 05/31/2014 6:05:01 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: struggle

The “little ones” Jesus is referring to are not children, but believers. It’s a common diminutive, a term of endearment.


14 posted on 05/31/2014 6:07:50 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: null and void

I see what you did there.


15 posted on 05/31/2014 6:09:54 PM PDT by Salamander (It's a cult and they worship blue oysters!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I am leading the charge for Chainsaw Justice in cases of pedophilia.

Who’s with me?


16 posted on 05/31/2014 6:11:33 PM PDT by Salamander (It's a cult and they worship blue oysters!)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is an inclination toward sin, but men choose to sin. Pedophilism is self inflicted. The same is true for sodomism. The downward course of the reprobate is described in Romans 1:18-32.


17 posted on 05/31/2014 6:14:43 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: nickcarraway

Look at the bright side if there is. The day that someone comes up with a pre-natal test that shows whether a baby will be born gay or not will be the same day that abortion on demand is outlawed in all 50 states.


18 posted on 05/31/2014 6:14:58 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Salamander

“I am leading the charge for Chainsaw Justice in cases of pedophilia.”

Oh just shoot them at dawn the day after the trial and be done with it. No need to make a production out of this.


19 posted on 05/31/2014 6:16:31 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: null and void
Some got sucked into it...

Others were simply over-analyzed.

20 posted on 05/31/2014 6:19:22 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey (A)
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To: Fightin Whitey

*ouch*


21 posted on 05/31/2014 6:20:30 PM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No one was born to sin. That’s like saying you were born to kite checks or be a murderer, etc. God didn’t make us that way.


22 posted on 05/31/2014 6:24:41 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: null and void

While others back into it.


23 posted on 05/31/2014 6:28:15 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

The short answer which we discovered from more studies, exams and interviews with psychiatrists when I was a Prosecutor than I care to count is ... yes.


24 posted on 05/31/2014 6:32:18 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: SeekAndFind

Here we go down the road to normalization of pedophilia.

The normalization of homosexuality assures us that we will have more pedophiles abusing more children, causing us to have more homosexuals and pedophiles in the future. Convoluted genetic explanations aren’t necessary.


25 posted on 05/31/2014 6:37:54 PM PDT by pallis
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To: RIghtwardHo

RE: The short answer which we discovered from more studies, exams and interviews with psychiatrists when I was a Prosecutor than I care to count is ... yes.

So, what is it? Is it genetic?

If so, have they identified the gene?


26 posted on 05/31/2014 6:40:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: LibWhacker

RE: No one was born to sin.

“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.” (Psalms 51:5)


27 posted on 05/31/2014 6:42:10 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Who could have saw this coming?
O yeah, every one of us that have taken a stand against the normalization of the homosexuals.....


28 posted on 05/31/2014 6:45:14 PM PDT by 48th SPS
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Tomorrow is June!

IT'S GO TIME!
Less than $4.9k to go!!

29 posted on 05/31/2014 6:51:19 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: equaviator

The whole idea that one is “born that way” which confers the idea that one has no choice or freewill in how they behave sexually ultimately leads to pedophiles, rapists, and all forms of sexual deviants and bad behavior being encompassed under the umbrella of an immutable trait that can not be helped. I’ve been warning that this is where this stupidity was leading. It is an attack on the basic concept on which all notions of liberty are founded which is self determination and freewill.

What we are seeing is an erosion of the foundation of a free society in the name of misguided equality. No longer are individuals assumed to be responsible for their behavior but instead a circus of excuses are presented many which are laughable. Human beings are not little dogs that can not pass fire hydrants without marking territory. That some think that civil society should set such a low bar for sexual behavior is like declaring open season for sexual criminals. They no longer evil or deviant but instead just following their God given nature.

The defect at the core of this is that human beings have proven with the advent of civilization that they can learn to control their behavior and modify their response through self reflection and consideration of right and wrong behavior. Human beings are born with the natural urge to defecate but they learn to control where and when they defecate. Human beings are born to desire to eat but they learn not to eat poison or inedible things. Human beings are born with natural tendency to get angry, to be scared but they learn to control reactions to these emotions.

The idea that sex is some how different is just ridiculous and is an expression of a desire for license to carry on sexually with disregard to any moral code or limit. Even primitive tribes don’t behave this way and for good reason because civilization becomes impossible without men and women who see self control and responsibility as cornerstones as a component of their lives. Learning to defer reactive desire or forgo it entirely is how one chooses not to murder, not to rape, not to steal, not to cheat, not to do all those things that abridge the rights of others.

One may be born with the ability to desire to sniff or eat glue but a person with free will can choose not to do those things. A person is born with the capacity for sexual desire but they can choose when and where and who and under what circumstances they will indulge that desire. Those who promote Pedophilia, Homosexuality, and Transexuality are like someone choosing to eat the glue proudly or crap their pants proudly. They know that sticking forks in electric sockets isn’t wise but they do it anyway and demand everyone clap for them approvingly. The worst part is they have built up this superiority complex as if this is “evolved” behavior as if mutilating ones sexual equipment is “evolved” when the evolved thing would be to change the way they think about their irrational desire to be something they were not born to be. The evolved behavior is to see you are male or female and make the best of it and stop trying to be what you weren’t born to be. As for those who have pedophile desires they should know that it is wrong and just not hurt children. A society that lessens the stigma for such behavior is not being enlightened but instead regressing to a level of the savage and setting the stage for even greater victimization of the innocent.


30 posted on 05/31/2014 6:53:05 PM PDT by Maelstorm
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To: nonsporting; struggle

RE: The “little ones” Jesus is referring to are not children, but believers. It’s a common diminutive, a term of endearment.

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That might be the case in Luke 17, but in Matthew 18, it is written:

At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them 3 and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

5 “Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me,

6 but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

The “little ones” there surely would include the child in verse 2.


31 posted on 05/31/2014 7:04:49 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
I've wondered that myself.If one can be *born* wanting bodily appendages placed where they don't belong why can't people be *born* wanting relations with five year olds...or animals?

The answer is simple....it's a choice.Same sex...kids...animals...it's a choice.

32 posted on 05/31/2014 7:26:31 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Fightin Whitey

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33 posted on 05/31/2014 7:28:10 PM PDT by Salamander (It's a cult and they worship blue oysters!)
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To: Maelstorm
The evolved behavior is to see you are male or female and make the best of it and stop trying to be what you weren’t born to be.

That's a gem.

34 posted on 05/31/2014 7:31:19 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Born This Way: Sympathy and Science for Those Who Want to Rape Children” .....fixed it


35 posted on 05/31/2014 7:51:30 PM PDT by Southern Partisan (In NYC you can be fined for spitting on the subway. You can, however, throw-up for free.)
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To: Salamander

Betcha the second one thinks twice, if applied correctly. They still won’t suffer as long as their victims, though.


36 posted on 05/31/2014 7:52:40 PM PDT by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: Maelstorm

Well said!!


37 posted on 05/31/2014 7:55:11 PM PDT by Shelayne
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To: SeekAndFind

The road to acceptance of homosexuality was its removal from the psychiatric diagnostic manual. When it no longer meant you were crazy, we could look for biological and not mental illness causes.
Once they could say you were born that way, it becomes an inherent trait and the demands for tolerance and civil rights in the racial minority tradition began.
To make pedophilia acceptable, first they have to remove it as a mental disorder. Finding a biological cause, AKA born that way, is a first step to normalizing and tolerating it.


38 posted on 05/31/2014 7:58:41 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: SeekAndFind
I hear large caliber rounds can permanently fix these "crossed wires."
39 posted on 05/31/2014 8:03:18 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: SeekAndFind
Here it comes folks. They are almost there.

Give it a year or two and you'll be a "bigot" for opposing pedophilia.

40 posted on 05/31/2014 8:04:15 PM PDT by Salman
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To: SeekAndFind

Birds grow feathers. Fish grow fins. It’s hardwired into their DNA. Murder and pedophilia aren’t hardwired into our DNA. Pedophilia is a choice.


41 posted on 05/31/2014 8:05:58 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: SeekAndFind

born that way... just like blacks

if you oppose their ‘life style’, you’re a racist


42 posted on 05/31/2014 8:25:43 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: KGeorge

No, they won’t suffer as much but it’s a good start.


43 posted on 05/31/2014 8:36:45 PM PDT by Salamander (It's a cult and they worship blue oysters!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m just waiting for the Pedo Pride parades.


44 posted on 05/31/2014 8:41:30 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Hoodat
The day that someone comes up with a pre-natal test that shows whether a baby will be born gay or not will be the same day that abortion on demand is outlawed in all 50 states.

See: Maine State Rep Brian Duprey (R-Hampden)..."gay gene" bill.

45 posted on 05/31/2014 8:46:43 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: nickcarraway

Some men are born more aggressive. Men in general a born programed to try to have sex with women.

We still criminalize assault. We still criminalize rape.

I personally try to hate the crime not the criminal though not always successfully. Societies have developed making criminal some ways were are born. That will probably continue.


46 posted on 05/31/2014 9:50:22 PM PDT by JLS
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To: LibWhacker

we are all born sinful and every one of us has certain sins that appeal to us more than others and in varying degree. not an excuse, just factual reality.

we have to fight against our sin nature every day. to keep it in check.


47 posted on 05/31/2014 10:56:09 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Men and women are ‘born that way’ because of how God wires them genetically.

Homosexuals and pedophiles are born men and women but have to act on their unnatural desires. They are not ‘born that way’, and no credible evidence has been found to suggest otherwise. They choose.


48 posted on 05/31/2014 11:04:49 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: skeeter
I wonder if rapists are born that way.


49 posted on 05/31/2014 11:10:16 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: Salamander
"I am leading the charge for Chainsaw Justice in cases of pedophilia"

I'm not quite so bloodthirsty--so messy!

Just shoot,hang and drown them before sending them to the 'lectric chair.

vaudine

50 posted on 05/31/2014 11:31:41 PM PDT by vaudine
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