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Cyber women test what's real
BBC News Online ^ | Wednesday, 22 October, 2003 | By Jo Twist

Posted on 10/23/2003 8:01:01 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon

Cyber women test what's real

By Jo Twist


BBC News Online technology reporter


Software cyberbabes, created by powerful computers, sophisticated modelling packages and active imaginations are getting extremely human-like.

Rene Morel's 3D model
Rene Morel's 3D model has a very human face

Virtual cyberbabes are used in advertising campaigns, hit shoot-em-up games, and the pop industry, from Lara Croft to virtual pop idols, T-Babe and Diki or DK-96.

Some of the best 3D models around are currently on show at an exhibition which has just opened in London called Perfectly Real: Women in Bits and Bytes.

But they raise questions about what people might be able to do with the models if they get too realistic and we cannot tell the difference anymore.

Better processing power and 3D graphics programs mean creating your own, virtual human is much easier to do.

Hyper real

While the technology is maturing, many of the women created from the hard drives and fantasies of mostly male designers are not.

The beauty of many of the images in the exhibition is striking. But their impossibly perfect limbs, lips and looks, are still pretty far removed from what a "real" woman looks like.

Rene Morel, who worked on many of the main characters in the sci-fi film Final Fantasy, has created an incredibly beautiful and engaging figure.

Rene Morel's 3D model

What makes her really real?

She has a stunning, highly human-like face, but as soon as you pan down her body, it is obvious she has borrowed a few diet tips from Barbie.

They are the "hyper-reality" of women who only exist in a plastic surgeon's dream.

The exhibition's curator, Niki Gomez, says this is no different to the "hyper-reality" of manufactured pop bands and airbrushed celebrities which are so far removed from normal people anyway.

For years, women learned to deal with images of the "perfect woman", celebrities, super-skinny supermodels and slinky pop kittens.

Nonetheless, four in 10 women still worry about their body shape every day and more than one in three dream of losing at least two stones, says a recent survey.

"It is interesting that women are being made more than men. I think that is partly because it is men who are mainly making them," she says.

Imperfect present

Brazilian creation Kaya has what the artist describes as a large mouth and teeth, far-apart eyes and thick eyebrows, deliberately designed to represent "realistic woman with slight imperfections".

Kaya, created by Alceu Baptistao
Do far apart eyes and visible pores make Kaya more real?

You can even see her pores, and these touches supposedly make her more real.

Her makers intend to give her a strong character and let her live online, "so people can control what she says and her movements through the web," Ms Gomez explains.

She does look more "realistic" than many of the airbrushed creations which grace the pages of both men and women's magazines every day.

But perhaps some might ask why far-apart eyes, thick eyebrows, gaping pores should be seen as "imperfections".

"In this time of real perfection in terms of plastic surgery, when it comes to the digital, we only believe them if they are not 100% perfect and that is where the power lies," says Ms Gomez.

Manipulating reality

Some might argue advances in software and processing power should be used render images that break a few gender stereotypes.

But maybe the bigger issue is about the potential problems of creating women so realistic complete with imperfections, that we cannot tell the difference anymore.

Steven Stahlberg's Webbie Tookay

Webbie Tookay will never miss a modelling shoot

Take Webbie Tookay, who was signed up by modelling agency Elite when she was born, as an example.

"They can control her as much as they want, there are no personality clashes, she will never grow old or fat and can be in more than one place at any time," says Ms Gomez.

Such realistic-looking constructs could be put to use in a variety of "entertainment industries".

The ethical implications of their use when these 3D models finally do make it off the screen and try to pass off as real could be enormous.

"That is not really at this stage a concern because they still can't make a virtual woman seem real in real space and time," says Ms Gomez.

"If that happens, then that will be a problem. But it still quite a way off."





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1 posted on 10/23/2003 8:01:01 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
"They can control her as much as they want, there are no personality clashes, she will never grow old or fat and can be in more than one place at any time,"

Yeah but can they cuddle.

2 posted on 10/23/2003 8:03:46 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: CJ Wolf
Yeah but can they cuddle.

The robotic models being developed will be able to cuddle.

3 posted on 10/23/2003 8:08:19 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon (The mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work unless it's open.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
It is interesting that women are being made more than men. I think that is partly because it is men who are mainly making them," she says.

This is an interesting but not necessarily correct statement. consider:
What do men's magazines show? women.
What do women's magazines show? women.

It is part of human nature that women's bodies and movements are watched and admired. [before anyone says anything silly, this does not mean there is any latent lesbianism in women. so can that thought before you think it].

And, by the way, barbie was invented by a woman, and the almost-anorexic look for women is in women's magazines. Men like women with curves and breasts, not scarecrows with a balcony.

4 posted on 10/23/2003 8:09:26 AM PDT by fqued (The mainstream media wouldn't over-rate anyone, would they?)
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To: Lorianne; Catspaw; wimpycat
The big question is whether they can be blamed for any of the following:

-The downfall of Western Society;
-Sleeping with their mates best friend;
-Being greedy wastrel shrews;
-Ruining their mate's life;
-Being brood sows to create an ever larger welfare class

5 posted on 10/23/2003 8:14:25 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Momaw Nadon
Juxtapose this article with the articles on the higher and higher rates of obesity.

How convienient that when real people are becoming more overweight, advertisers and producers can create "realistic" people.

I can see a day when women on t.v. and in magazines are "model" thin (with large breasts) and when you go outside to the store or mall the women you see are "extra" large.

Funny?
6 posted on 10/23/2003 8:14:27 AM PDT by NotQuiteCricket (http://www.strangesolutions.com)
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To: Lorianne; Catspaw; wimpycat
Oh, I forgot another favorite FReeper gripe - being slutty with everybody but the complainer, to whom she is a cold, frigid witch.....
7 posted on 10/23/2003 8:15:28 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine

8 posted on 10/23/2003 8:16:04 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon (The mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work unless it's open.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within: Absolutely God-awful plot, but incredible CG.

9 posted on 10/23/2003 8:17:32 AM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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To: NotQuiteCricket
Not funny, but a very interesting observation.
10 posted on 10/23/2003 8:18:13 AM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: Momaw Nadon
The animation/CGI technology will break the liberal stranglehold in Hollywood. The cost and personal issues with actors/actresses, sets and etc, plus the studios tendency to be PC or refuses to do new materials due to the risk of failure versus the cost of producing a normal movie has prevented a variety of films from reaching production. Furthermore, there are individuals who have good creativity and acting skills, but are unable to be filmed due to their looks. CGI animation will allow that individual to control an animated image, manipulate its expressions, body movement and language in their own mannerism. Basicly they overcome the look barrier that has prevented talented people from acting because the studio do not think their looks are marketable, or they are the wrong ethnic/race to assume the character. Individual or small groups of writers, producers and animators can produce a full length film and bypass the studio system for approval. Low production costs, creative flexibility, and internet marketing/distribution can change the paradigms for making movies in this country and world. After viewing "Animatrix" I say give CGI another five years to reach the high degree of realism. I predict that conservative film makers will be the first to capitalize on this technology, because the liberal establishment and actors will attempt to demonize it and protect the status quo.
11 posted on 10/23/2003 8:19:00 AM PDT by Fee
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To: Momaw Nadon; Chad Fairbanks
Hands off the TARDshow's woman. He'll have to throw you into the pit in his basement for meddling in his affairs.
12 posted on 10/23/2003 8:22:27 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Momaw Nadon

Ananova still needs work.

13 posted on 10/23/2003 8:23:17 AM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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To: Fee

14 posted on 10/23/2003 8:25:00 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon (The mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work unless it's open.)
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To: Fee; harpseal; Willie Green
Furthermore, there are individuals who have good creativity and acting skills, but are unable to be filmed due to their looks. CGI animation will allow that individual to control an animated image, manipulate its expressions, body movement and language in their own mannerism. Basicly they overcome the look barrier that has prevented talented people from acting because the studio do not think their looks are marketable, or they are the wrong ethnic/race to assume the character. Individual or small groups of writers, producers and animators can produce a full length film and bypass the studio system for approval. Low production costs, creative flexibility, and internet marketing/distribution can change the paradigms for making movies in this country and world.

Bimbo outsourcing? I love it!

15 posted on 10/23/2003 8:31:56 AM PDT by irgbar-man (Get Well, Rush!)
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To: CJ Wolf
Yeah but can they cuddle.

No, that will be part of the 2.0 release, which will also include other features like complaining about the toilet seat being left up and talking during a TV show, then asking what just happened while she was talking to you.

16 posted on 10/23/2003 8:33:49 AM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: martin_fierro
She has a Sandra Bullock resemblence.
17 posted on 10/23/2003 8:36:48 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Orangedog
...talking during a TV show, then asking what just happened while she was talking to you.

A married man, no doubt. LOL.

18 posted on 10/23/2003 8:36:49 AM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs: 7-0 baby)
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To: martin_fierro; Chancellor Palpatine
Weirdly, martin_fierro, my eyes are about the same color as the cyberbabe in your post #9.

Creepy.

19 posted on 10/23/2003 8:38:40 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: martin_fierro
PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS IN 2019: VIRTUAL PHYSICALITY

* The all-enveloping tactile environment is now widely available and fully convincing. Its resolution equals or exceeds that of human touch and can simulate (and stimulate) all of the facets of the tactile sense, including the sensing of pressure, temperature, textures, and moistness.

* The "total touch" haptic environment requires entering a virtual-reality booth. These technologies are popular for medical examinations, as well as sensual and sexual interactions with other human partners or simulated partners. In fact, it is often the preferred mode of interaction, even when a human partner is nearby, due to its ability to enhance both experience and safety.

By Ray Kurzweil, author of The Age of Spiritual Machines

20 posted on 10/23/2003 8:41:42 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon (The mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work unless it's open.)
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To: Orangedog
"You weren't listening to me, were you? Whats more important - me or Stripperella on SpikeTV?"
21 posted on 10/23/2003 8:44:53 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Momaw Nadon

Which face has more synthetic content?

22 posted on 10/23/2003 8:49:46 AM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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To: martin_fierro
So...who's gonna be the first to develop an inflatable computer to take full advantage of all this new technology?
23 posted on 10/23/2003 8:49:47 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Credito Facil !)
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To: martin_fierro
Which face has more synthetic content?


I don't know, but I'll take the one with the greenish headband.

24 posted on 10/23/2003 8:55:45 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon (The mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work unless it's open.)
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To: martin_fierro
Barf.

Imperfection is the key to making CGI become fully realistic, but your example goes wayyyy too far :)
25 posted on 10/23/2003 8:56:25 AM PDT by Monty22
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To: ErnBatavia
So...who's gonna be the first to develop an inflatable computer to take full advantage of all this new technology?


Hans Moravec, please come to the white courtesy phone...

26 posted on 10/23/2003 8:58:29 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon (The mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work unless it's open.)
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To: ErnBatavia
So...who's gonna be the first to develop an inflatable computer to take full advantage of all this new technology?


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27 posted on 10/23/2003 9:10:55 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon (The mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work unless it's open.)
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To: martin_fierro
Yuck! Ananova reminds me of Katie Couric.
28 posted on 10/23/2003 9:15:31 AM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: Fee
I predict that conservative film makers will be the first to capitalize on this technology, because the liberal establishment and actors will attempt to demonize it and protect the status quo.

Personally, I bet that the porn industry will be the first to exploit this capability, just like they have been the leaders in so many other applications in the internet area.

29 posted on 10/23/2003 9:17:23 AM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: Momaw Nadon
I don't dare even click on that link here at work...therefore, bump for the home front!
30 posted on 10/23/2003 9:27:22 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Credito Facil !)
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To: sourcery; Victoria Delsoul; PatrickHenry; Quila; Rudder; donh; VadeRetro; RadioAstronomer; ...
Ping!
31 posted on 10/23/2003 9:27:29 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon (The mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work unless it's open.)
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To: martin_fierro
Looks like one of those cheap, pop-art paintings from the 70s, that were so popular, by I can't remember who.
32 posted on 10/23/2003 10:57:58 AM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: ErnBatavia
I clicked (via anonymous link). The FAQ is pretty funny, the questions basically revolved around how to get a life with your silicon rubber dummy. And the male dolls cost $1000 more than the females.
33 posted on 10/23/2003 11:08:31 AM PDT by palmer (They've reinserted my posting tube)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Male version...


34 posted on 10/23/2003 11:11:13 AM PDT by socal_parrot (My other carp is a koi.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Personally, I'm waiting for the holodeck ala Star Trek.
Once they perfect that, I'm going input my LoTR program where Aragorn and I kick orc butt, save Middle Earth, and he drops that elf-princess for me. Fade to us riding off in the sunset.

Yep, I'm just waiting for the holodeck...
35 posted on 10/23/2003 11:27:07 AM PDT by HanneyBean
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To: Momaw Nadon
I've seen this site, just don't have the $$$$$
36 posted on 10/23/2003 11:30:45 AM PDT by The Wizard (Saddamocrats are enemies of America, treasonous everytime they speak)
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To: HanneyBean
Yep, I'm just waiting for the holodeck...

Ensign: Captain, the sensors have just detected an anomalous energy surge.

Picard: Quick! Shut down the holodecks!

37 posted on 10/23/2003 11:33:13 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy.)
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To: Liberal Classic
Hey, as long as they don't delete my program, I can be patient for it to get back on line!
38 posted on 10/23/2003 11:47:48 AM PDT by HanneyBean
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
All I want to know is when I can order my Cherry 2000TM.

;o)

40 posted on 10/23/2003 2:28:13 PM PDT by malakhi (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
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To: Fee
I predict that conservative film makers will be the first to capitalize on this technology, because the liberal establishment and actors will attempt to demonize it and protect the status quo.

Or foreign filmmakers who can't break into Hollywood in the conventional manner.

41 posted on 10/23/2003 2:31:51 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: malakhi

Here was a nice pic of Cherry 2000 (Pam Gidley)

42 posted on 10/23/2003 2:51:41 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Luis Gonzalez
I was just thinking. If she's 12" tall and anatomically correct, we may not see a cut & paste for months!
43 posted on 10/23/2003 3:13:11 PM PDT by William Wallace (David Cassidy singing God Bless America? And Luis thought Jimmy Buffett was so over.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Rated-R, play with this virtual woman's happy fun bags:

http://mirrored.flabber.nl/play.with.my.boobs/
44 posted on 10/23/2003 3:44:54 PM PDT by Roarkdude (no tag line entered)
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To: martin_fierro
Which face has more synthetic content?

Nancy's mistake was in not telling her plastic surgeon that she wanted to be able to close her eyes too.

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

45 posted on 10/23/2003 3:49:44 PM PDT by mikeb704
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To: Roarkdude
Rated-R, play with this virtual woman's happy fun bags:

Dude, that is so cool!!!

46 posted on 10/23/2003 3:55:50 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon (The mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work unless it's open.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
It's good to see the Japanese pushing technological curves. Maybe the Americans will bring up the rear.
47 posted on 10/23/2003 4:08:15 PM PDT by Roarkdude (no tag line entered)
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To: CJ Wolf
Reminds me of the movie "cherry 2000". Personal relationships are so screwed up, people have resorted to human like robots for day to day company.
48 posted on 10/23/2003 4:57:07 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan
Patrick Nagel?
49 posted on 10/23/2003 5:07:10 PM PDT by stands2reason ("What you see at fight club is a generation of men raised by women." -- Chuck Palahniuk)
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To: stands2reason
Eureka.... you have it right. Are you him? ;)
50 posted on 10/23/2003 6:27:40 PM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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