DEAR PRESIDENT BUSH (FROM A POOR MAN WHO WANTS IRAQIS TO QUIT KILLING OUR SOLDIERS)

23 November 2003

[cavtrooper21]

This is all well and good, and sounds great.
Do you want to trigger Jihad?????
and I'm not talking about some drivel spouted by some Wahbbist crackpot. I'm talking about the little guy selling his veggies in the market saying "Holy C**p, The MULLAH was right!!! they are the great SATAN!!!" and him and 20 thousand of his closest buddies wipe our forces off the map in 2 days of suicide wave attacks.
The folks that are doing most of the damage are not Islamofacists.. Its Ba'athists, and the reason is simple. Once the US leaves, there will be 2 groups vieing for power.
Saddam and whats left of his party (with some help from Syria) and everybody else. Shi'ites, Kurds and people in favor of a Democratic style of goverment. The sooner we leave the better Saddam's chances are of returning to power.
He knows that the US will either get tired of paying the price and leave, or commit atrocities. The Iraqi's might tolerate torture and genocide from Saddam, but from US!!!
Never.
So the longer we stay the course, the weaker Saddam gets and the better the chances of a "reasonable" regime emerging from our occupation. If we start wiping out villages down to the last cat and rat, the radical Muslims will have all the ammo they need to declare Jihad, and Saddam will look like the patron saint of Iraq..
and all our dead will have truely died for nothing.

[DefCon]

If you support or defend the posting of this kind of crap,
then I say the same holds true for you.

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

Mene is not insane. A little frustrated, a tad weird, but not insane.

You comment is right on target. However, you don't have a dog in this fight and it might be better to not be splattered in the process. Thanks anyway.

Bring it on, gents.

[Poohbah]

All of you are entitled to your opinions, but you do not understand Islam or the culture we are dealing with.

Neither do you, apparently.

I am not going to get into a long debate this evening, but absolutely stand on the proposal and am willing to take the heat for it.

We are either going to have to enforce a horrible solution to the killing of our soldiers or pull them all out.

Actually, we won't.

No middle ground remains. They are killing 2-3 of our people EVERY day and morale will collapse in a very short period of time.

Gosh, I'm in touch daily with troops deployed in Iraq, walking patrols in various cities. They don't agree with you. Morale is not in any danger of collapsing.

It is time to do something rather unpleasant, but such is the nature of war. We had to do the same thing in Japan in World War II. Are you going to condemn Truman? Almost every man, woman, child and animal perished in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

You, sir, are an ignorant fool. The death figures weren't even close to that.

It ended the war because they knew we meant business.

It convinced the Emperor to surrender, and the population followed his orders.

The situation on the ground is different. Saddam Hussein honestly doesn't care if a million of his people are killed, if it gets them to kill Americans at a faster rate than 2-3 per day. He would welcome your plan.

No, I am not insane.

I would like a second opinion.

Rather, I am a very determined individual.

Determined to do what? Convince the entire Iraqi population that we're going to kill them anyway, so they might as well die fighting?

In case you didn't know this, we're outnumbered something like 200-1.

General Patton accurately stated,

"The purpose of war is not to die for your country. The purpose of war is to make the other poor bastard die for his."

Actually, the purpose of war is to impose your nation's will upon another nation. We are succeeding at this.

Not a pretty philosophy...but the Axis were extremely afraid of Patton.

Because of his operational skill, not because of

They knew he meant business.

And if you proposed such behavior to him, he'd haul out one of his ivory-handled revolvers and shoot you right there.

If we are going to go to war, we need to put generals in charge who can win the fight and back them up.

We are winning.

Or, we need to surrender or bring our troops home.

You, sir, are a moral coward.

Trying to apply liberal philosophy to war will eventually cause drastic losses.

Let me know when we actually experience drastic losses, girly-man.

[tet68]

Are you Ok? This isn't like you.
This sort of action doesn't work.

Now I will agree that it's time our President made it clear to the House of Saud, that THEY had better get their house in order or see Mecca destroyed. And it should be put to them in that simple term. We CAN do it, and they must be convinced we WILL do it.

[Bobibutu]

"Get a grip. Toughen up. Pray for the troops and stand by the military, which is doing a great job under trying circumstances."

Ms M

You have much more tolerance than I for this kind of thinking. If you can save a soul good on ya. I think this ones long gone and out of touch with reality. Insane is kind and polite.

[txhurl]

or we are going to see worldwide killings of U.S. citizens by radical Muslims.

Already are. Don't worry, soon there will be a few big 'booms' and the radicals will will lose their will to fight, in fact will beg for the 'booms' to stop.

[M Kehoe]

If you support or defend the posting of this kind of crap, then I say the same holds true for you.

No, I don't support this vanity, nor defend it. Or the poster. Nothing in my post suggested that I did. So chill out.

5.56mm

[isthisnickcool]

I have an equally sound idea. We build large scale meat slicers. You know, the kind in the meat market that has the round spinning blade? As the Moslems come out of their Mosques we strap them one by one on to the big slicers and set them to "extra thin".

Oh, to make the idea even "better" we inject a mixture of drugs in to them that takes most the pain away and also keeps their blood coagulated.

Here is the device, let's get this "Moslum Slicer" idea to the president ASAP:

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

The folks that are doing most of the damage are not Islamofacists.. Its Ba'athists, and the reason is simple. Once the US leaves, there will be 2 groups vieing for power. Saddam and whats left of his party (with some help from Syria) and everybody else. Shi'ites, Kurds and people in favor of a Democratic style of goverment. The sooner we leave the better Saddam's chances are of returning to power.

He knows that the US will either get tired of paying the price and leave, or commit atrocities. The Iraqi's might tolerate torture and genocide from Saddam, but from US!!!

Very good points. Will take them under consideration. The killing has to stop. Those who perpetrate these killings must be hunted for the rest of their lives until caught, tried and executed.

[Dane]

I think your title is misleading. It isn't ordinary Iraqis targeting our troops, it is left over baathists and other terrorists.

[Cacophonous]

It would not only delight the terrorists, it would aid them in recruiting to their numbers those innocents that had family and friends killed and/or property destroyed.

[DefCon]

hurt dog hollers

[Miss Marple]

Some people are too young to remember the sacrifices from other wars, and they are easily swayed by the media. I think this is what we are seeeing here.

I encourage everyone to do what they can to support the troops, whether through private donations, USO, the Relief Fund, or whatever they can find. I do NOT support Nazi-like retaliation, which is both wrong and unproductive.

[Poohbah]

Some people are too young to remember the sacrifices from other wars, and they are easily swayed by the media. I think this is what we are seeeing here.

I talked to a WW2 vet yesterday.

He explained to me that 2-3 soldiers getting killed or wounded in Occupied Germany was a slow day for the first year after the war officially ended.

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

Are you Ok? This isn't like you.

Not really at this time, but that is not the point of discussion. And yes, it is NOT like me...but sometimes you can't take it any more. I was reading an article in the latest National Geographic about how the Saudi men (in particular) live off of oil wealth and a huge number of foreigners are imported to do most of the work. The Saudi men basically study Wahabist-style Islam and sit around doing very little but seeking pleasure.

Most of the foreign labor live like dogs and most are from other Muslim nations (many of them somewhat radical). Perhaps this is the key source of a lot of the discontent and radicalism in the Middle East. However, it has been allowed to go on for years fueled by OUR dollars and I don't see a solution in sight. Perhaps you have one?

[Arpege92]

"We had to do the same thing in Japan in World WarII."

True...but don't think that Truman didn't ponder this before dropping the bombs. The people who are attacking our soldiers are the minority and the answer to these attacks is not to kill innocent people. We are better than that.

Killing innocent people could never be justified as collateral damage.

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

I talked to a WW2 vet yesterday.

He explained to me that 2-3 soldiers getting killed or wounded in Occupied Germany was a slow day for the first year after the war officially ended.

Thanks for the input. A reasoned response.

[Miss Marple]

What in the world does the Saudi lifestyle have to do with your suggestion for reprisals in Iraq?

[Rebelbase]

"2. If a suspect is not delivered in the allotted time, wipe out the neighborhood…everyone man, woman, child and animal living there. "

You're insane.