DEAR PRESIDENT BUSH (FROM A POOR MAN WHO WANTS IRAQIS TO QUIT KILLING OUR SOLDIERS)

23 November 2003

[Right_in_Virginia]

From the article: ~~"If a suspect is not delivered in the allotted time, wipe out the neighborhood…everyone man, woman, child and animal living there."

Bad, bad, stupid idea.

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

You are, most certainly, insane.

Scary, isn't it? And if not, so what? I certainly don't believe in threatening anyone.

[FormerlyAnotherLurker]

Poohbah,
You're correct that he's a coward.
Recall his 1st comment;
"Please...somebody show this to the President. Please."

Well, here's the contact information from fedgate.org:

The White House

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N. W.
Washington, D. C. 20500
Telephone: (202) 465-1111
Tours - (202) 465-7041
Email: Feedback@whitehouse.gov

Any wager whether he does anything?

[Littlejon]

In all fairness, this idea was mine, originally posted on another thread and this person agreed with the sentiments and posted this portion of it on a new thread. If anyone is insane, I guess it is me. I am fully aware of the ramifications of potentially turning the Islamic world against us, but, IIRC, this is what was said when we went to Iraq in the first place. To my knowledge, they are yet to enact a "jihad" on us. What this does, not that it has a snowball's chance in Cuba of ever happening, is show the people we are serious about getting tough on these terrorists, while also making them aware that they must also do their part. Giving them 2 hours to turn in attackers is more than enough time because a lot of these people already know who they are.

What was left out was that I also called for a bounty on the heads of those attacking us of $1000.00, dead or alive. This also gives the residents incentive. Add some cash on top of that & I imagine more than a few will be singing like canaries.

Look, I make no bones about this "idea" having flaws. There are many. This is born out of frustration at an ignorant, silent people sitting by and letting the same people who repressed them for decades try to come back into power to repress them again. I don't know what the answers are, but sitting by and doing nothing will only get more soldiers killed. Osama has already acknowledged that Bill Clinton pulling out of Somalia was motivation for him to scale up his attacks and Saddam assumed we would tuck tail and run after a few dead American soldiers showed up on Dan Blather's nightly rant, so pulling out now would bring down a world of crap like we have never seen before. IMHO, the ONLY way to deal with these terrorists is to strike back with more force than before. If they kill one of ours, we kill 10 of theirs. WE are the big dogs on the block & I want us to start acting like it, not announcing that we are going to hit a building 6 hours before we plan to hit it.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I am just a little frustrated by all of this. Add to that that the limp-wristed liberal panty-wastes on NBCCBSABCMSNBCCNN can't find a positive story to report on in the whole intercoursing country, yet they can find a dozen bad ones in a two block area of some camel dung village out in the desert somewhere.

[Poohbah]

Any wager whether he does anything?

Notice he didn't bother to show it to the President himself? He wanted someone else to take the heat.

[Poohbah]

This is born out of frustration at an ignorant, silent people sitting by and letting the same people who repressed them for decades try to come back into power to repress them again.

How do you know that's actually happening?

Because the liberal media told you so?

Good grief, get a grip, and grow a spine and a sac!

[Bobibutu]

"We had to do the same thing in Japan in World WarII."

Incorrect - the A-Bombs were before "occupation" they were to stop a war not end the assasination of our troops after the fact.

I am not saying that it was right. Truman had more intel on this than we will ever know. He did what he thot was best.

[Billthedrill]

I'm angry when American troops are killed too, but please get a grip on yourself - this really is insanity. We are not making war on the Iraqi people and the vast majority of them are not making war on us. There are innocents and there are the guilty here, never forget that. We came to overthrow Saddam Hussein, not replace him.

I think you're just upset. I understand that. But this won't do at all. The troops won't stand for it, their commanders won't stand for it, their president won't stand for it, and their people won't stand for it. Bad idea - no worse than that, evil idea.

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

That's okay Littlejon. I take full responsibility for posting your idea. By the way, interesting how all of the individuals calling for restraint on this thread are so quick to make rash statments about even posting the idea. So funny. We are more willing to fight with each other than with the enemy. And, by posting this item, the White House staff WILL read it...at least the Secret Service will (already have). No need to e-mail the White House directly. It's already there.

A very small minority of individuals posted some reasoned responses which I do appreciate. However, the "in-your-face" comments have no effect whatsoever on me and only strengthen my resolve. This is a forum for posting and commenting on news and sometimes posting an opinion. When it ceases to be that type of forum, then perhaps I must leave. And, maybe that would be for the best. I get almost ALL of my news from the internet and specifically from here as we do not watch outside broadcast in this house and haven't for 12 years. So, I have NOT been inflamed by the media, only by what I read right here.

[semaj]

The Pentagon is waging the war in Iraq as they should. They have, in very short order, overwhelmed and overrun the entire countryside of Iraq, securing the capital city and major economic and production facilities. At this time they are ratcheting up the pressure in rooting out the remaining resistance forces while at the same time entrenching their presence within the hearts and minds of the cooperative iraqi people./P>

Rome was not built in a day and Iraq will not be re-built without time and sacrifice. The lives of American soldiers is a terrible but necessary price to pay in order to secure not only the future of the Iraqi people but to ensure that Americans won't have to live through a repeat 9/11 .

[Bobibutu]

So we offer $$$ for the culprits - not kill those who may/may not know.

Worked for the Sons.

[Littlejon]

Oh yeah, let me add that I AM NOT in favor of wantingly destroying neighborhoods with women, children, dogs, rats or whatever being wiped out without regard. Quite the contrary. By letting them know they have two hours to get out, they have more than enough time to leave. When they see tanks rolling up with turrets pointed at their building, give them another few minutes to leave.

Look, this is a suggestion born out of frustration. Maybe I am tired, maybe I am just not thinking clearly. I support our troops 1000%. I despise the talking heads on TV who refuse to show their successes. I know this is an incident that is not indicative of the situation over there. I know because I, too, know people over there. I hear what they are saying. What I am talking about is in the cities where these attacks are taking place, stepping up the effort. Of course this isn't going to happen. Politically, we'd get hit from every nation on the globe, save a few close allies.

Like I said, I don't know what the answer is, but I want to make sure that we, as Americans, don't make this into another media-driven lie about what is going on and I think the best way is to deal with these terrorists with an even heavier hand.

[temijin]

hire the north korean army to do the final mop up establish central athority. They would be much more ruthless than we ever could be and it would give them a way to earn the money we will give them eventually anyway

[Quix]

SOME RESOLVE

and actions along SOME AWESOME LINES

needs to be taken.

I don't know precisely what to suggest.

But this is not THAT off the wall, all things considered.

It does seem that the only thing evil ever understands is awesome force.

I balk about the women and children. But the radical Islamics don't. Perhaps we have to speak their 'language' more.

Certainly, I think we have to be much more decisively awesome in our actions.

And quicker and more thorough, whatever it takes.

[BlessedBeGod]

I am not going to get into a long debate this evening...

Translation: I see that I've posted something incredibly stupid and that everyone disagrees with me, so...

[Bobibutu]

"I certainly don't believe in threatening anyone."

Then what is your original request/suggestion?

If they dont turn over within 2 hours - death.

Uhhhhhh sounds like a threat to me.

Check your thinking .... missmatches.

[Poohbah]

I am not going to get into a long debate this evening...

Translation: I see that I've posted something incredibly stupid and that everyone disagrees with me, so...

Brilliant post.

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

The Pentagon is waging the war in Iraq as they should. They have, in very short order, overwhelmed and overrun the entire countryside of Iraq, securing the capital city and major economic and production facilities. At this time they are ratcheting up the pressure in rooting out the remaining resistance forces while at the same time entrenching their presence within the hearts and minds of the cooperative Iraqi people.

Rome was not built in a day and Iraq will not be re-built without time and sacrifice. The lives of American soldiers is a terrible but necessary price to pay in order to secure not only the future of the Iraqi people but to ensure that Americans won't have to live through a repeat 9/11 .

Thanks for your response. Very well said. Perhaps I overreacted a bit. In the Bible, the Israelites were commanded on one occasion to kill EVERYONE in a given city. Also, on another occasion, they killed all of the men and all of the women who had had sexual relations with a man. Interesting order...

Time to go back to the drawing table. Those who have hurled ugly insults at me, trust me, you don't know me at all. And, you will never know me from this one post. Your accusations are false and many who know me would tell you that you are mistaken. However, you have my permission to continue believing what you wrote.

Good night.

[Littlejon]

Look, I don't know you and you don't know me. If you think I am some linguini spined moron hiding behind a keyboard, that is fine by me. I would think you could state your opinion, like I have stated mine, without insults, but maybe I am assuming too much.

I have a spine and a sac that both work just fine. How do I know the locals are sitting back & letting our boys get killed in the few attacks that take place? You are right, I don't absolutely know for sure and I am sure they do have some people willing to come forward. Likewise, you don't know that they are not and cannot say for sure that many more ARE willing to sit back and let the old regime come back. Of course, it would appear that you are the 100% authority on what is going on over there, so maybe I should just take in YOUR ideas on how to solve this little problem and attack them like you chose to attack mine.

[deport]

What in the world does the Saudi lifestyle have to do with your suggestion for reprisals in Iraq?

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Sounds like one of those General Interest threads that the Lead Moderator was talking about last night.... were is he when you need him.....