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Joe Wilson Details His Affair with CIA Wife
NewsMax ^ | 12/16/03 | Limbacher

Posted on 01/02/2004 9:50:35 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

He says the Bush administration violated his wife's privacy by revealing that she worked for the CIA.

But now Spygate accuser Joseph Wilson is sharing with reporters intimate details about his relationship with the allegedly secretive Valerie Plame, offering an account of the couple's "heavy make-out" session just before she told him she worked for the CIA.

Wilson, who said recently he would have sacrificed anything to guard his wife's privacy, offers the steamy details in the Jan. 2004 issue of Vanity Fair magazine.

The move has even supporters wondering if he's blown his credibility as a White House whistleblower just as the Justice Department rachets up the investigation into his claims.

Based on Wilson's recollections, Vanity Fair reports:

"Meeting in Paris, London and Brussels, [the relationship between Plame and Wilson] got very serious, very quickly. On the third or fourth date, he says, they were in the middle of a 'heavy make-out' session when she said she had something to tell him."

Wilson said that at that point his date interrupted their steamy tryst and decided to come clean. "She was, she explained, undercover in the CIA."

"It did nothing to dampen my ardour," he told VF. "My only question was: Is your name really Valerie?"

Wilson's decision to go public with details from his wife's sex life prompted dismay at the Washington Post, where editors have been trying to sell his complaint that the Bush White House blew his wife's cover as a serious national security scandal.

"Capitol Hill aides in both parties said Wilson had badly hurt his credibility with his apparently enthusiastic participation in a spread in the January issue of Vanity Fair," the Post complained last month.

"The article includes Wilson's steamy account of his early romance with Plame," the paper noted. "Congressional aides said the article bolstered the contention of Wilson's critics that no one had done more than him to draw attention to Plame, and that the couple had eagerly contributed to their celebrity."

Mr. Wilson himself seemed unfazed by the apparent conflict, telling the Post that his only complaint was that his wife "had to be clothed as generic blonde" in Vanity Fair photos to protect her identify.

Despite volunteering his wife for a new round of publicity, Wilson's allegation that her privacy had been violated is still being taken seriously at the Justice Department, which appointed a special prosecutor to review the case last week.



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1 posted on 01/02/2004 9:50:35 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Boy, three dates and this lady starts spewing national secrets.
2 posted on 01/02/2004 9:52:39 AM PST by Azzurri
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
HA-HA. What are these people, in high school?
3 posted on 01/02/2004 9:55:49 AM PST by BeerSwillr (Profanity free since 2003-12-17 20:41:45)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"The move has even supporters wondering if he's blown his credibility as a White House whistleblower just as the Justice Department rachets up the investigation into his claims."

I'm sure he blew something.

4 posted on 01/02/2004 9:55:59 AM PST by G.Mason ( Oh Hillary? ....... GWB is waiting.)
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To: Azzurri
Yeah, that's what I noticed. Pretty early in a relationship to be telling it, I would think.
5 posted on 01/02/2004 9:56:03 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Those who preach tolerance seem to have the least for my views.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I've used some slight poetic license to "spice up" the story:

On the third or fourth date, he says, they were in the middle of a 'heavy make-out' session when she said she had something to tell him.

Wilson said that at that point his date interrupted their steamy tryst and decided to come clean. "She was, she explained, actually a man."

"It did nothing to dampen my ardour," he told VF. "My only question was: Is your name really Valerie?"

"No", she answered, "actually, it's Larry."

6 posted on 01/02/2004 9:56:35 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Azzurri
Makes me sick that the JD has to waste time and money on this garbage.
8 posted on 01/02/2004 10:04:35 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: Baynative
"...Boy, three dates and this lady starts spewing national secrets."

...are we to assume he was the first?

Or the last? He says she is a leaker with high-mileage.

9 posted on 01/02/2004 10:09:14 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: Diogenesis
Any adult that would use the expression "heavy make-out session" lacks any credibility, IMHO.

So, what was it? Just "necking", or "heavy petting"?!

Or was she "the spy that shagged him"?!

BwahahahahaHA!!

(this is a joke, and a complete waste of the Fed's time...unless they're undercover, and the Wilson-Plame "investigation story" is just that... a "cover story"...hmmmm...)

11 posted on 01/02/2004 10:15:26 AM PST by 88keys (I'm trying to be "new"-fashioned, but it's not working...)
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To: Baynative
My comment, exactly, in the second, later thread on this topic.
12 posted on 01/02/2004 10:15:32 AM PST by SubMareener
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To: beaversmom
I have two members of my family that I am positive work for the CIA: getting them to admit it is not possible......and you know I have tried!
13 posted on 01/02/2004 10:17:15 AM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Howlin
I had a cousin who was covered by the state department for years. He had to come out of the cold when his son wanted to work there (anti-nepotism law).
14 posted on 01/02/2004 10:20:26 AM PST by tort_feasor
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To: Baynative
However, that Wilson could not see the potential damage involved with a comment like this, speaks volumes about him.
15 posted on 01/02/2004 10:23:56 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
When are we going to get the Valerie Plame centerfold?
16 posted on 01/02/2004 10:24:30 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Azzurri
"Boy, three dates and this lady starts spewing national secrets."

It would not surprise me if there wasn't a requirement for agents to report relationships of this type to the agency so that a security check could be run on the other party before the agent's identity could be revealed. If so, there might be a record of this (or lack thereof) in Plame's personnel file.
17 posted on 01/02/2004 10:25:07 AM PST by Ben Hecks
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Sheesh. First, she tells a guy she scarcely knows that she's working "undercover" for the CIA. Then, the jerk she's told, tells the world in Vanity Fair. She's not much of a spy, and he's certainly no gentleman. I hope she gets fired, and that he's proven to be the fraud I suspect he is.
18 posted on 01/02/2004 10:25:27 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

"Thats right Chief.....She broke on the fourth date".


19 posted on 01/02/2004 10:26:30 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: hillaryspantyhose
with a shovel.

Make that a front-end loader.

21 posted on 01/02/2004 10:30:04 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: Ben Hecks
Boy, three dates and this lady starts spewing national secrets.

She perceived that it was going to be a long-term relationship and out of consideration gave him a chance to end it if he couldn't be down with her plan to be long-term undercover.

It is interesting in a sort of Oprah kind of way.

22 posted on 01/02/2004 10:32:35 AM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: tort_feasor
Exactly. They just don't "tell" like this blabbermouth did; this couple is a fraud.
23 posted on 01/02/2004 10:33:34 AM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"Meeting in Paris, London and Brussels, [the relationship between Plame and Wilson] got very serious, very quickly. On the third or fourth date, he says, they were in the middle of a 'heavy make-out' session when she said she had something to tell him."

[excuse me while I'm wiping off my screen] Worse than a trashy novel.

24 posted on 01/02/2004 10:33:54 AM PST by paws_and_whiskers
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To: Howlin
I am glad I spotted your reply. Here is my question to you and to all other Freepers. I have heard from the media that it is against the law to knowingly tell anyone that someone is a CIA agent. Now, that seems to cover second and third parties. But what about the agent themselves? Are they allowed to tell that they are a agent? Does that break the law.

True story:

I was at a grandsons soccer game when one of the parents of a kid on his team informs not only me, but my wife, that he works for the CIA and has done work in Afghanistan. Not only that, but the grandsons parents knew he was CIA before we did. For all I knew at the time, every parent from the team knew this. Now, this guy is either blowing smoke or is telling the truth. If telling the truth, where does this fall into regarding the law?

25 posted on 01/02/2004 10:34:37 AM PST by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a 100 pounds.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Howls of despair are heard at The Washington Compost.
26 posted on 01/02/2004 10:35:59 AM PST by Ciexyz
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To: NutCrackerBoy
She perceived that it was going to be a long-term relationship and out of consideration gave him a chance to end it if he couldn't be down with her plan to be long-term undercover.

After three dates? Puh-leeze.

27 posted on 01/02/2004 10:38:13 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: MizSterious
First, she tells a guy she scarcely knows that she's working "undercover" for the CIA.

During this make-out session Wilson was married to "Jacqueline" who as far as I can figure out in the Vanity Fair article, is or was a French diplomat.

28 posted on 01/02/2004 10:39:49 AM PST by Shermy
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To: 7thson
I have no idea what the exact laws are and/or who can say they work at the CIA and who can't.

It's just been my experience in the last two years that I have tried everything, up to and including asking point blank, and I never get a response. I'm not dumb enough to keep pushing it to put them into an awkward situation.

It's one of those situations where they know I'm pretty knowledgeable about who does what in the government, so we kind of dance around it. I do, however, get the impression that people who work in classified areas of the CIA don't go around telling it -- especially at places like soccer games. I'm positive that if they were in a position to tell me and were allowed to tell me, they would.
29 posted on 01/02/2004 10:40:58 AM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Ciexyz

Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame continue to angle for the TV documentary of their life.

30 posted on 01/02/2004 10:47:18 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Ciexyz

Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame continue to angle for the TV documentary of their life.

31 posted on 01/02/2004 10:47:23 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Okay, I've asked this question on other threads but haven't gotten an answer. Why is the JD not bringing charges against the wife? I've had security clearances from CONFIDENTIAL to TS and DOE "Q" my entire career. Even if Wilson had a TS clearance as he claimed, he still had no need to know about her position. She likewise had no requirement or responsibility to tell him. Especially while horizontal on the third date. I can't imagine she was not bound by some type of non-disclosure agreement that she blantantly ignored. Is it just me or does it seem that they both have some sort of "Alias" fantasy going here? If they were married and she told him I would have less of a problem than telling a complete stranger that the CIA did not have time to do a background check on. My take.
32 posted on 01/02/2004 10:47:54 AM PST by chief911
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I picked up a Dec. copy of Vanity Fair while in a check-out line and thumbed through, looking for the photo spread. Now, I'll have to look at the Jan. issue, too? Blech. That magazine is certainly not something I want in my house.

Wilson was on the National Security staff and had clearance at the time Ms. Plame revealed herself, so to speak. I just don't get this Wilson dude, however. He put his wife and years of contacts of hers in jeopardy by going public with his political agenda. Is he so stupid that he would think no one would go after him and his family when he went to the NY Times with his criticism? I mean, he has been in DC for over 20 years. We just got over the Clinton impeachment for lying under oath about a sexual relationship, and this Wilson dude thinks reporters will not question who he is and what the heck he was doing going to Niger????? His wife had to warn him about going public. (hopefully) And yet he went public anyway. I wonder if the reason he is being so public now is because he thinks he is protecting her, shining light on her existence in order that she not undergo Arkancide. Anybody else think this is possible? For instance, I have pondered whether Monica was spared because of all the evidence that Linda Tripp had on tape. Regardless, Wilson is a creep.
33 posted on 01/02/2004 10:47:54 AM PST by petitfour
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To: Azzurri
Boy, three dates and this lady starts spewing national secrets.

No kidding. They want to crucify a leaker?

What should be done to her for her loose lips? No pun intended.....but there could be several in that question.

34 posted on 01/02/2004 10:50:53 AM PST by b4its2late (Pinging FReepers {except Arthur McGowan} Since May 16, 1999.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Bump to that.
35 posted on 01/02/2004 10:50:55 AM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Wow... after three dates, she tells him she's undercover with the CIA. What a stupid ***** - he could have been an enemy agent, and who knows how many lives she could have compromised by her ummm slip of the tongue.

She blew her own cover - no one else did it for her. Fire her ass...
36 posted on 01/02/2004 10:53:03 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (What am I rebelling against? Well, what do ya got?)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
But now Spygate accuser Joseph Wilson is sharing with reporters intimate details about his relationship with the allegedly secretive Valerie Plame, offering an account of the couple's "heavy make-out" session just before she told him she worked for the CIA.

Tongues? Hey, if he's sharing this stuff with us, we need to know ALL.

37 posted on 01/02/2004 10:53:08 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: beaversmom
Makes me sick that the JD has to waste time and money on this garbage.

Not me. The more Wilson opens his mouth, the worse he looks, and the more discredit he heaps on his own sorry head.

You'll no doubt recall that the "big story" of his peace mission was quickly deep-sixed once it became clear he was a moron on a fool's errand -- something to the effect of, "I drank sweet tea all day and talked to people in my hotel room. They promised that there was no yellow-cake."

If Wilson's story is true, then it would appear that Valerie Plame has to do a bit of 'splainin' of her own, to the nice folks at the FBI.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that the enterprising (if overtalkative) Ms. Plame is even now arranging for a hit man to tell dear old Joe to STFU.

38 posted on 01/02/2004 10:56:38 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Wilson is in his fifties and he's still having "heavy make-out sessions"? Don't stop now, Joe? Hickeys, tongues, copping feels? And, as Howard Stern would say, did you make it to third base?
39 posted on 01/02/2004 10:56:43 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: Howlin
Thanks for sharing that info. You should probably not ask your relatives anymore. Do you think they would want your suspicions aired in public?
40 posted on 01/02/2004 10:58:45 AM PST by petitfour
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
If you just work for the CIA in a normal capacity it is OK to "kiss and tell." Lots of folks told me the same info when I lived in D.C. (sans the kissing). However, if she was indeed an "undercover agent" she might get frog-walked as a result of revealing this info to makeout artist Joe on the third date.
41 posted on 01/02/2004 11:00:11 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: PJ-Comix
I have no doubt Wilson is working a Washington partisan scam. He's the enemy. But still, is there not a human side of this that is genuine? I have no problem with there being a certain amount of trust after three dates.
42 posted on 01/02/2004 11:00:20 AM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I spent 28 years as a Naval Intelligence Officer. My wife still doesn't know about some thing in which I was involved. Pillow talk is not necessary unless you are one of those trying to impress!
43 posted on 01/02/2004 11:01:33 AM PST by NavyCaptain
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To: GreatEconomy
He is still blowing loads all over the place.

Um...You might want to rephrase that.

44 posted on 01/02/2004 11:02:16 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: NavyCaptain
My wife still doesn't know about some thing in which I was involved.

Especially if it involved having carnal relations with Petra Verkaik. You definitely would want to keep mum on that. It's your patriotic duty.

45 posted on 01/02/2004 11:04:42 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Wilson, who said recently he would have sacrificed anything to guard his wife's privacy, offers the steamy details in the Jan. 2004 issue of Vanity Fair magazine.

The article is called The Spy Who Shagged Me.

46 posted on 01/02/2004 11:06:20 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: Howlin
I have two members of my family that I am positive work for the CIA: getting them to admit it is not possible......and you know I have tried!

If you're from the backwoods of Appalachia, you might want to try "heavy make-out sessions" to get such info.

47 posted on 01/02/2004 11:08:27 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: PJ-Comix
Does any one else get the feeling that if we surfed swinger websites that pictures of Victoria and Joseph Wilson would be popping up all over the place? These people give me a creepy feeling.
48 posted on 01/02/2004 11:10:39 AM PST by Azzurri
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To: r9etb
Well I don't like to see money wasted. This was a non-issue to begin with. This country has got far more serious issues to deal with and face than sex-pot Valerie Plame. This woman and her fawning husband are nothings. But maybe if it makes the Democrats look like idiots once again, it might be worth it a little.
49 posted on 01/02/2004 11:12:40 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"Meeting in Paris, London and Brussels, [the relationship between Plame and Wilson] got very serious, very quickly. On the third or fourth date, he says, they were in the middle of a 'heavy make-out' session...

ick, yuck, eewww!

50 posted on 01/02/2004 11:17:32 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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